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Quote from: Viscore on April 25, 2021, 05:07:33 PM

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What I think is that cases like these have became isolated. And for those who are risking their sports career and have no choice be involved on it are really forced due to those reasons and other management issues that they've found.

It's only an isolated if the league will not make a serious action on this, they maybe are trying to protect their reputation without knowing it will only make this kind of activity to spread in the league, and people will slowly loss their trust on the league especially the advertisers which usually gives a good amount for the success of the league. you know, reputation really matters a lot and they need to protect it.

Reputation does matters and that's why a league's management are getting rid of it as much as they can and, as soon as they've found out that something like this existed.
But hopefully, most of these corruptions and sell outs won't happen anymore in bigger leagues that we've used to follow because their following are really high and they know how huge the fan base they have in the world.

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Quote from: Russlenat on April 23, 2021, 04:46:05 PM

Sometimes the punishment is really a problem, on some countries, when someone caught cheating in sports, a cheater will just be fine on or ban, there's no criminal liability, if that punishment will be serious, then I guess these violators will think twice before doing it.

That's right, the punishment for some countries don't have the teeth and they're just going to pay the fine and they're going to render the days that's punished to them upon suspension.
Those punishments are easy to take because they're just going to pay and if their suspended, they'll just go into training and they're going to be back soon.

Maybe the cases is not so rampant yet, but the moment they see that it's been widely abuse, then probably they will amend the rules to put a more serious punishment on anyone who violate the law particularly the "game fixing" which could involve big money especially if its a big market in bookies.

What I think is that cases like these have became isolated. And for those who are risking their sports career and have no choice be involved on it are really forced due to those reasons and other management issues that they've found.

It's only an isolated if the league will not make a serious action on this, they maybe are trying to protect their reputation without knowing it will only make this kind of activity to spread in the league, and people will slowly loss their trust on the league especially the advertisers which usually gives a good amount for the success of the league. you know, reputation really matters a lot and they need to protect it.

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Quote from: Viscore on April 24, 2021, 05:16:42 PM

Quote from: passwordnow on April 24, 2021, 02:45:34 PM

Quote from: Russlenat on April 23, 2021, 04:46:05 PM

Sometimes the punishment is really a problem, on some countries, when someone caught cheating in sports, a cheater will just be fine on or ban, there's no criminal liability, if that punishment will be serious, then I guess these violators will think twice before doing it.

That's right, the punishment for some countries don't have the teeth and they're just going to pay the fine and they're going to render the days that's punished to them upon suspension.
Those punishments are easy to take because they're just going to pay and if their suspended, they'll just go into training and they're going to be back soon.

Maybe the cases is not so rampant yet, but the moment they see that it's been widely abuse, then probably they will amend the rules to put a more serious punishment on anyone who violate the law particularly the "game fixing" which could involve big money especially if its a big market in bookies.

What I think is that cases like these have became isolated. And for those who are risking their sports career and have no choice be involved on it are really forced due to those reasons and other management issues that they've found.

Quote from: Mauser on April 25, 2021, 02:52:29 AM

It seems that in most countries the punishment is just not enough severe enough. In my opinion when caught cheating there should always be a lifetime sports ban and a civil charge to recover the last 2 years salary. It can't be that the athletes are being paid millions and break the trust of the fans like that. Even Valve lowered their punishments on cheaters and will let them play again after a few years. There shouldn't be new chances if you are caught. They are already lucky not to go to prison.

Yes, their ruling isn't that much too scary and needs to sharpen the teeth of their law regards to this issue.

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Quote from: iTradeChips on April 25, 2021, 07:48:53 AM

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Quote from: Russlenat on April 23, 2021, 04:46:05 PM

Sometimes the punishment is really a problem, on some countries, when someone caught cheating in sports, a cheater will just be fine on or ban, there's no criminal liability, if that punishment will be serious, then I guess these violators will think twice before doing it.

That's right, the punishment for some countries don't have the teeth and they're just going to pay the fine and they're going to render the days that's punished to them upon suspension.
Those punishments are easy to take because they're just going to pay and if their suspended, they'll just go into training and they're going to be back soon.

Paying penalties, fees, and not playing for a specific number of seasons or weeks is for me a very light punishment. We need strict regulations that would ensure these people to be punished severely for their actions like tampering and game manipulation. Suspension is already good, but there should be jail time as well. If not jail time, then at least community work and public apology should also be adequate punishments. Them knowing many people already know their previous deed would ensure that they will play fair next time.

That's correct, this is just a small league so these players has not put a lot of value as if they will be suspended here, they can still look for other league to play since they have the talent, the bad thing is, they can still do the same rigging again which only makes our sports reputation worst.

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In my country there is a very big and serious problem, the corruption that is in the sport is something very big and worrying, the tournament winners are decided before the tournament starts, to be some club manager in my country, it is necessary that people whether from the political party in power, all sponsors only sponsor sports clubs where there are only presidents of the ruling party, corruption is very high in my country and sport is not evolving for that reason

Quote from: YOSHIE on April 23, 2021, 02:43:19 PM

Corruption seems to have become a disease that is hard to get rid of in sports circles, in this case it does not only happen in your country, my country also has the same thing, Corrupt behavior with a consumptive lifestyle makes people close their eyes to punishment.

in africa corruption is at a frightening level, in all areas corruption is involved, if the person is not corrupt in africa then that person cannot get involved in government and sport positions, or he will either have a heart attack or he will be murdered

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Quote from: passwordnow on April 24, 2021, 02:45:34 PM

Quote from: Russlenat on April 23, 2021, 04:46:05 PM

Sometimes the punishment is really a problem, on some countries, when someone caught cheating in sports, a cheater will just be fine on or ban, there's no criminal liability, if that punishment will be serious, then I guess these violators will think twice before doing it.

That's right, the punishment for some countries don't have the teeth and they're just going to pay the fine and they're going to render the days that's punished to them upon suspension.
Those punishments are easy to take because they're just going to pay and if their suspended, they'll just go into training and they're going to be back soon.

Paying penalties, fees, and not playing for a specific number of seasons or weeks is for me a very light punishment. We need strict regulations that would ensure these people to be punished severely for their actions like tampering and game manipulation. Suspension is already good, but there should be jail time as well. If not jail time, then at least community work and public apology should also be adequate punishments. Them knowing many people already know their previous deed would ensure that they will play fair next time.

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Quote from: passwordnow on April 24, 2021, 02:45:34 PM

Quote from: Russlenat on April 23, 2021, 04:46:05 PM

Sometimes the punishment is really a problem, on some countries, when someone caught cheating in sports, a cheater will just be fine on or ban, there's no criminal liability, if that punishment will be serious, then I guess these violators will think twice before doing it.

That's right, the punishment for some countries don't have the teeth and they're just going to pay the fine and they're going to render the days that's punished to them upon suspension.
Those punishments are easy to take because they're just going to pay and if their suspended, they'll just go into training and they're going to be back soon.

It seems that in most countries the punishment is just not enough severe enough. In my opinion when caught cheating there should always be a lifetime sports ban and a civil charge to recover the last 2 years salary. It can't be that the athletes are being paid millions and break the trust of the fans like that. Even Valve lowered their punishments on cheaters and will let them play again after a few years. There shouldn't be new chances if you are caught. They are already lucky not to go to prison.

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Quote from: johhnyUA on April 23, 2021, 04:50:23 PM

If player is not get paid well, he can fall under some shady agreements like fixed games . This is how life is going

That really triggers players to get into corruption if they are not well compensated. Because if they do, they wouldn't let themselves be part of corruption and match fixing.

It is all about the money and as we know in sports, there's a lot of money that gets in and out through it.

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Quote from: uneng on April 24, 2021, 11:19:55 AM

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The problem with corruption punishments is that when the big fishes are caught, they aren't punished accordingly, as they are connected to judiciary and political members. As they are protected, the impunity reigns in the country, because the common citizens see what happens at the upper levels of the society and don't have any positive examples to follow.
So the common people also go through the corrupt way, as if the big fishes aren't punished, they believe to not be punished as well. And that is what is seen in every sectors of the society. In sports, corrupt referees receives bribery to favor a team or another, what creates chaos among the crowd/fans, leading to violent fights, which result in casualties sometimes. In the end, nothing happens to people involved on these acts or just some of them receive a penalty.

It's just a consequence example of impunity reigning.

Unfortunately, the punishment has been given to the common citizens because the upper levels of the society seem untouchable by the law. That makes the corruption in high-level citizens still happen without people out there knows because they get something like immunity from the law. The common people will get punish and get in jail, while when the high-level citizens get in jail, they will get more luxury amenities than the common people. That gives social jealousy among the people, but the government does not do anything.

That is happening in any country. But we do not know if that is happening because the media has been paid not to tell the public.

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Quote from: passwordnow on April 24, 2021, 02:45:34 PM

Quote from: Russlenat on April 23, 2021, 04:46:05 PM

Sometimes the punishment is really a problem, on some countries, when someone caught cheating in sports, a cheater will just be fine on or ban, there's no criminal liability, if that punishment will be serious, then I guess these violators will think twice before doing it.

That's right, the punishment for some countries don't have the teeth and they're just going to pay the fine and they're going to render the days that's punished to them upon suspension.
Those punishments are easy to take because they're just going to pay and if their suspended, they'll just go into training and they're going to be back soon.

Maybe the cases is not so rampant yet, but the moment they see that it's been widely abuse, then probably they will amend the rules to put a more serious punishment on anyone who violate the law particularly the "game fixing" which could involve big money especially if its a big market in bookies.

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Quote from: Russlenat on April 23, 2021, 04:46:05 PM

Sometimes the punishment is really a problem, on some countries, when someone caught cheating in sports, a cheater will just be fine on or ban, there's no criminal liability, if that punishment will be serious, then I guess these violators will think twice before doing it.

That's right, the punishment for some countries don't have the teeth and they're just going to pay the fine and they're going to render the days that's punished to them upon suspension.
Those punishments are easy to take because they're just going to pay and if their suspended, they'll just go into training and they're going to be back soon.

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Quote from: michellee on April 24, 2021, 10:19:59 AM

Quote from: Russlenat on April 23, 2021, 04:46:05 PM

Quote from: YOSHIE on April 23, 2021, 02:43:19 PM

Corrupt behavior with a consumptive lifestyle makes people close their eyes to punishment.

Sometimes the punishment is really a problem, on some countries, when someone caught cheating in sports, a cheater will just be fine on or ban, there's no criminal liability, if that punishment will be serious, then I guess these violators will think twice before doing it.

Maybe there is a punishment, but that is only for the formality and they let the public knows about that, but they really do not mean about the punishment. But the corruption is everywhere in many businesses, and it makes many corrupt officials involved in that business.

I agree that if the law is abode and the punishment really gives to the corrupt people, that will make the violators think twice and not try to corrupt. That can reduce the number of corruption that will happen.

The problem with corruption punishments is that when the big fishes are caught, they aren't punished accordingly, as they are connected to judiciary and political members. As they are protected, the impunity reigns in the country, because the common citizens see what happens at the upper levels of the society and don't have any positive examples to follow.
So the common people also go through the corrupt way, as if the big fishes aren't punished, they believe to not be punished as well. And that is what is seen in every sectors of the society. In sports, corrupt referees receives bribery to favor a team or another, what creates chaos among the crowd/fans, leading to violent fights, which result in casualties sometimes. In the end, nothing happens to people involved on these acts or just some of them receive a penalty.

It's just a consequence example of impunity reigning.

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Quote from: Russlenat on April 23, 2021, 04:46:05 PM

Quote from: YOSHIE on April 23, 2021, 02:43:19 PM

Corrupt behavior with a consumptive lifestyle makes people close their eyes to punishment.

Sometimes the punishment is really a problem, on some countries, when someone caught cheating in sports, a cheater will just be fine on or ban, there's no criminal liability, if that punishment will be serious, then I guess these violators will think twice before doing it.

Maybe there is a punishment, but that is only for the formality and they let the public knows about that, but they really do not mean about the punishment. But the corruption is everywhere in many businesses, and it makes many corrupt officials involved in that business.

I agree that if the law is abode and the punishment really gives to the corrupt people, that will make the violators think twice and not try to corrupt. That can reduce the number of corruption that will happen.

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Quote from: KTChampions on April 23, 2021, 01:37:36 PM

Corruption occurs where officials redistribute other people's resources. If the sport was run entirely by businessmen (as it should be), then there would be no corruption. It is very stupid to steal from oneself - the owner is most interested in the fact that everything is fine with the enterprise, while the official does not care.

When the same handled by businessmen there is possible chances of corruption and I've come across some information relative to the Indian Premier League. In some finals the match is predicted as a loss for Mumbai Indians and finally they've won the trophy.

IPL tournament is full of fame and a big business is tied to it. Mumbai Indians is owned by the richest person of India. Based on that some news got spread, he might have paid the opponents. I'm not sure this is true, I've mentioned it to state corruption doesn't have any differentiation. It happens with businessman officials and with all levels, because in some way it gets connected with money/fame.

These are isolated cases (or at least their percentage is small), since a very small number of owners are ready to harm their business with dirty deeds. That club owner from India, if he does business like that, he will soon cease to be the richest man in India. Officials, on the other hand, are devoid of concern for the welfare of business - they manage other people's resources, therefore, they more easily become involved in corruption.

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Quote from: crzy on February 28, 2021, 09:22:35 AM

Politicians will always do politics everywhere and of course, they'll use sports to their advantage. We also have a serious problem on our Sports agency where being played by the politics over the past decades and until now. Athletes are suffering because of them and some good athletes was not able to compete because of no funds at all, knowing the corrupt officials it will be hard to have a good sports agency on our country, this is why we didn't experience to participate on Olympics.

Sports unfortunately has been marred with issues ever since money, big money got involved in it. Maybe in old times rigging has already been a fixation, if not rampart, in any sports. So the issue really is how to get rid of that corruption and how to be able to make a big revamp of the sports industry, how it is governed, how teams are managed and most important of all, how it can be a clean game without tampering of powerful forces that wants to earn big easy money.

the idea is great but i dont think we can eradicate corruption in the sports industry. corruption has been in all kinds of industries, and you can find it in all forms. so dont really expect that we will see a clean industry thru and thru.
lets just accept the fact that it does exist. what we can do is just dont participate when you are at that situation. you cant expect others to follow you but at least you will have clear conscience if you decide not to get involved

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Quote from: crzy on February 28, 2021, 09:22:35 AM

Politicians will always do politics everywhere and of course, they'll use sports to their advantage. We also have a serious problem on our Sports agency where being played by the politics over the past decades and until now. Athletes are suffering because of them and some good athletes was not able to compete because of no funds at all, knowing the corrupt officials it will be hard to have a good sports agency on our country, this is why we didn't experience to participate on Olympics.

Sports unfortunately has been marred with issues ever since money, big money got involved in it. Maybe in old times rigging has already been a fixation, if not rampart, in any sports. So the issue really is how to get rid of that corruption and how to be able to make a big revamp of the sports industry, how it is governed, how teams are managed and most important of all, how it can be a clean game without tampering of powerful forces that wants to earn big easy money.

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Quote from: YOSHIE on April 23, 2021, 02:43:19 PM

Corruption seems to have become a disease that is hard to get rid of in sports circles, in this case it does not only happen in your country, my country also has the same thing, Corrupt behavior with a consumptive lifestyle makes people close their eyes to punishment. If they do corruption, many sports officials are caught for committing corruption, sport should not become a culture among sports officials, I hope that in the future the world of sports will truly have leaders with honest and upright spirits, This should not happen again, considering that sport is an arena that involves the community for a more decent and prosperous life without corruption.

In your country (if i remember correctly - Japan) football players (in majority) paid not so well as even ukrainian (we even not talk about russian players, which can be paid with millions of dollars per year). If player is not get paid well, he can fall under some shady agreements like fixed games . This is how life is going

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Quote from: YOSHIE on April 23, 2021, 02:43:19 PM

Corrupt behavior with a consumptive lifestyle makes people close their eyes to punishment.

Sometimes the punishment is really a problem, on some countries, when someone caught cheating in sports, a cheater will just be fine on or ban, there's no criminal liability, if that punishment will be serious, then I guess these violators will think twice before doing it.

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Corruption seems to have become a disease that is hard to get rid of in sports circles, in this case it does not only happen in your country, my country also has the same thing, Corrupt behavior with a consumptive lifestyle makes people close their eyes to punishment. If they do corruption, many sports officials are caught for committing corruption, sport should not become a culture among sports officials, I hope that in the future the world of sports will truly have leaders with honest and upright spirits, This should not happen again, considering that sport is an arena that involves the community for a more decent and prosperous life without corruption.

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Quote from: KTChampions on April 23, 2021, 01:37:36 PM

Quote from: molsewid on April 23, 2021, 12:51:54 PM

Well based on my observation politicians are only good for there purposes when they are running for a position but once they were on the position they are already forgotten what are those of their platforms and programs and I don't know but maybe some of them has their own agenda for running in that position. So what I truly mean was I guess corruption was already been part of politics and couldn't be doubt even in sports corruption would be present.

Corruption occurs where officials redistribute other people's resources. If the sport was run entirely by businessmen (as it should be), then there would be no corruption. It is very stupid to steal from oneself - the owner is most interested in the fact that everything is fine with the enterprise, while the official does not care.

When the same handled by businessmen there is possible chances of corruption and I've come across some information relative to the Indian Premier League. In some finals the match is predicted as a loss for Mumbai Indians and finally they've won the trophy.

IPL tournament is full of fame and a big business is tied to it. Mumbai Indians is owned by the richest person of India. Based on that some news got spread, he might have paid the opponents. I'm not sure this is true, I've mentioned it to state corruption doesn't have any differentiation. It happens with businessman officials and with all levels, because in some way it gets connected with money/fame.

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