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Quote from: boyptc on September 10, 2021, 07:17:35 PM

Quote from: zanezane on September 10, 2021, 10:19:18 AM

It's not broad term, any kind of abuse in power is already a corruption, it's not a broad term but it's more like it can define a lot of activities rather than the other way around. You're friends, I feel bad for what they've experienced but they could've been able to appeal it if there's a rule book that states their prizes when they win.

It also includes embezzlement of money within a certain organization and with such, a sports organization.

That issuance of amount, they should have brought that issue as soon as they've accepted it or they should've contested that why is it that the prize was very low.

In short, the house can control everything as long as there’s a money. In sports, I believe many players are into dirty game by making a fixed matches, corruption can’t be stop and this would be always in favor to the house and private investors, sports are already corrupted.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on September 10, 2021, 05:16:16 PM

Quote from: Kasabus on September 10, 2021, 04:59:46 PM

The house or the sportsbook only accept bets, they might get some information on fixed games but they cannot control the game. The ones that could potentially fix a game are those who are playing the game, the players, even the coach, and the referees, as their decision making could be vital to the outcome of the game.

^ I am quite curious how they have information on the game, it is probably an insider who wants to make a profit. But that is right, there is no such way that they will get an accurate result, they make it all by there selves. Fixed games are often happening in sports because as for me, they are also fighting their dignity not only for money. If you have a very strong team, it is possible to get lost. However, anywhere as of now, there is always a corrupt.

Corruption is every where not only in sport,one or two persons always have their greedy and personal interest to affect the result of a game for his own selfish benefit,neglecting the feelings of the masses, bringing down and tarnishing their reputation for money.

When games are influenced,It usually comes from inhouse,someone who is in control of the game.If it in football,it can come from the Referee,the players,the coach,etc.

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Quote from: zanezane on September 10, 2021, 10:19:18 AM

It's not broad term, any kind of abuse in power is already a corruption, it's not a broad term but it's more like it can define a lot of activities rather than the other way around. You're friends, I feel bad for what they've experienced but they could've been able to appeal it if there's a rule book that states their prizes when they win.

It also includes embezzlement of money within a certain organization and with such, a sports organization.

That issuance of amount, they should have brought that issue as soon as they've accepted it or they should've contested that why is it that the prize was very low.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on September 10, 2021, 05:16:16 PM

Quote from: Kasabus on September 10, 2021, 04:59:46 PM

The house or the sportsbook only accept bets, they might get some information on fixed games but they cannot control the game. The ones that could potentially fix a game are those who are playing the game, the players, even the coach, and the referees, as their decision making could be vital to the outcome of the game.

^ I am quite curious how they have information on the game, it is probably an insider who wants to make a profit. But that is right, there is no such way that they will get an accurate result, they make it all by there selves. Fixed games are often happening in sports because as for me, they are also fighting their dignity not only for money. If you have a very strong team, it is possible to get lost. However, anywhere as of now, there is always a corrupt.

This is how the money made people change and such greediness will likely have a negative impact. I don't think that sportsbook had to take responsibility and put it in question as they are only accepting bets. The corruption probably happens among those who are involved in that game. Those who are capable to pay and control the game will certainly have the guts to manipulate others.
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Quote from: madnessteat on September 10, 2021, 01:44:30 PM

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Quote from: madnessteat on September 10, 2021, 08:37:29 AM

Corruption is a kind of a hard control mechanism of subordinate people as at any moment an unfit person who has stopped following unspoken instructions can be sentenced to several years in prison and in some countries more severe punishments can be imposed. That is why corruption exists in all countries and absolutely in all spheres of our life. It is just that some countries are more thorough in hiding corruption cases.

We are talking about corruption in sports, and normally our understanding is that what is happening is "sports fixing", some people may not be too concern about it, but for gamblers or sports bettors, this is a big thing as they can use this as their basis on making a decision, and I believe that some sports bettors believe that no sports are clean or safe from sports fixing.

I understand this better than you think) Corruption in sports is not much different from any other. If a sports team, coach or boxer agreed to a fake match for the sake of money, then after that he can be managed as he will do anything not to spoil his reputation. If an athlete is caught in this vicious circle, it is not easy to leave him, because he becomes a puppet. Corruption in sports is punished no less severely than in any other sphere.

I'm just looking at the gambler's point of view as that's the main reason why there's corruption in sports. That's why it's illegal for a player to bet on his game because it could affect his performance and he could intentionally make things that aren't supposed to happen, but since we have a lot of sports bettors who cater bets, even millions of bets, the greediness of the people will always show as that's easy money for them achieved in an illegal way.

This kind of sports rigging is really hard to determine, lots of conspiracy theories that are out, even the most popular leagues but if we look at the numbers of people who got convicted and punished, there are only few.

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Quote from: Kasabus on September 10, 2021, 04:59:46 PM

The house or the sportsbook only accept bets, they might get some information on fixed games but they cannot control the game. The ones that could potentially fix a game are those who are playing the game, the players, even the coach, and the referees, as their decision making could be vital to the outcome of the game.

^ I am quite curious how they have information on the game, it is probably an insider who wants to make a profit. But that is right, there is no such way that they will get an accurate result, they make it all by there selves. Fixed games are often happening in sports because as for me, they are also fighting their dignity not only for money. If you have a very strong team, it is possible to get lost. However, anywhere as of now, there is always a corrupt.

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Quote from: SirLancelot on September 10, 2021, 04:40:23 PM

Quote from: rodskee on September 10, 2021, 07:47:34 AM

the athlete and the gamblers are always been the victim and the gambling owner and the government in which the corrupt one is always the winner,
they bag all the money and athlete and gamblers suffer.
also the corrupt officials of each sports that what makes this issue happening , hope that this will end so the gambling and the sports will back to their feet and support because nowadays people are losing interest .

You are mistaken here. It's some of the gamblers (big ones) who fix games and the gambling house itself. the house earns money based on the different bets placed on their platform and doesn't need to fix athletes to lose a game.

Basically, if the house has 1 million $ wagered on Djokovic and $1m wagered on Federer, they don't need to do anything but wait for the result because both sides will get around 1.85 odds or such and the house wins free 7-8 cents on each bet.

Nowadays people are even fixing the officials because bringing the players is risky and costly while the officials control the entire match and are mostly underpaid.

The house or the sportsbook only accept bets, they might get some information on fixed games but they cannot control the game. The ones that could potentially fix a game are those who are playing the game, the players, even the coach, and the referees, as their decision making could be vital to the outcome of the game.

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Quote from: rodskee on September 10, 2021, 07:47:34 AM

the athlete and the gamblers are always been the victim and the gambling owner and the government in which the corrupt one is always the winner,
they bag all the money and athlete and gamblers suffer.
also the corrupt officials of each sports that what makes this issue happening , hope that this will end so the gambling and the sports will back to their feet and support because nowadays people are losing interest .

You are mistaken here. It's some of the gamblers (big ones) who fix games and the gambling house itself. the house earns money based on the different bets placed on their platform and doesn't need to fix athletes to lose a game.

Basically, if the house has 1 million $ wagered on Djokovic and $1m wagered on Federer, they don't need to do anything but wait for the result because both sides will get around 1.85 odds or such and the house wins free 7-8 cents on each bet.

Nowadays people are even fixing the officials because bringing the players is risky and costly while the officials control the entire match and are mostly underpaid.

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Quote from: Botnake on September 10, 2021, 09:04:36 AM

Quote from: madnessteat on September 10, 2021, 08:37:29 AM

Corruption is a kind of a hard control mechanism of subordinate people as at any moment an unfit person who has stopped following unspoken instructions can be sentenced to several years in prison and in some countries more severe punishments can be imposed. That is why corruption exists in all countries and absolutely in all spheres of our life. It is just that some countries are more thorough in hiding corruption cases.

We are talking about corruption in sports, and normally our understanding is that what is happening is "sports fixing", some people may not be too concern about it, but for gamblers or sports bettors, this is a big thing as they can use this as their basis on making a decision, and I believe that some sports bettors believe that no sports are clean or safe from sports fixing.

I understand this better than you think) Corruption in sports is not much different from any other. If a sports team, coach or boxer agreed to a fake match for the sake of money, then after that he can be managed as he will do anything not to spoil his reputation. If an athlete is caught in this vicious circle, it is not easy to leave him, because he becomes a puppet. Corruption in sports is punished no less severely than in any other sphere.

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Quote from: zanezane on September 10, 2021, 10:19:18 AM

Quote from: Rruchi man on September 10, 2021, 09:34:45 AM

Corruption is a broad term, it has eaten deep into many spheres and aspects including sports unfortunately. It has many applications. I remember a story of how a friend who is a good athlete told about he and three others participated in a federal government 4x100 athletic competition, they came first at the end and were issued an equivalent of $2 to share as their price money.
It sounded very ridiculous for the government to issue such an amount, i am very certain that the officials involved has pinched out percentages from the money, and unfortunately, that was what was left. This is also corruption.

It's not broad term, any kind of abuse in power is already a corruption, it's not a broad term but it's more like it can define a lot of activities rather than the other way around. You're friends, I feel bad for what they've experienced but they could've been able to appeal it if there's a rule book that states their prizes when they win.

you can see all types of corruption even in sports. i guess, they are not special not to be excluded with this long running prob of humanity. and sadly to say, we can't avoid such circumstances from happening as it is like innate human behaviour.
even in selection of players, there will always be something that will come up as unfair to some of them. i guess, we just need to accept such fact but if you are aggrieved of the situation and directly involved, you can always seek justice if you want. but such ordeal will be long and tiresome process. a reality check that we all need to admit.

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Quote from: poldanmig on September 10, 2021, 06:47:06 AM

Quote from: MrcMrc on April 28, 2021, 07:21:10 AM

Corruption in the sports sector is linked to the political system where the entire government, from election to governance, is corrupt. This has affected the sports activities in most countries and even the premier league.

FIFA and other sport governing bodies are not left out in the corruption.

I think now that corruption has entered all sectors of government including sports, and of course this is what actually destroys the a country sporting achievements, and I think the impact of corruption has finally made the athletes who have been victims all this time.

I agree that corruption exists in almost anything and the corruption at the governmental level is the worst. But I am not sure how a corrupt government will influence a sportsperson because usually, the government corrupts things that aren't related to sports. Usually, the corruption that happens at the government level is - nepotism, extortion, and bringing.

Maybe the selection process can be corrupted for a sportsperson and it's hard for real talents to shine. But once you are selected and playing for the country there is nothing that can force you to rig or tank matches other than greed.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on September 10, 2021, 09:34:45 AM

Corruption is a broad term, it has eaten deep into many spheres and aspects including sports unfortunately. It has many applications. I remember a story of how a friend who is a good athlete told about he and three others participated in a federal government 4x100 athletic competition, they came first at the end and were issued an equivalent of $2 to share as their price money.
It sounded very ridiculous for the government to issue such an amount, i am very certain that the officials involved has pinched out percentages from the money, and unfortunately, that was what was left. This is also corruption.

It's not broad term, any kind of abuse in power is already a corruption, it's not a broad term but it's more like it can define a lot of activities rather than the other way around. You're friends, I feel bad for what they've experienced but they could've been able to appeal it if there's a rule book that states their prizes when they win.

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Quote from: romero121 on February 28, 2021, 06:31:11 AM

In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

Corruption is a broad term, it has eaten deep into many spheres and aspects including sports unfortunately. It has many applications. I remember a story of how a friend who is a good athlete told about he and three others participated in a federal government 4x100 athletic competition, they came first at the end and were issued an equivalent of $2 to share as their price money.
It sounded very ridiculous for the government to issue such an amount, i am very certain that the officials involved has pinched out percentages from the money, and unfortunately, that was what was left. This is also corruption.

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Quote from: madnessteat on September 10, 2021, 08:37:29 AM

Quote from: iv4n on September 10, 2021, 08:13:42 AM

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Corruption is a kind of a hard control mechanism of subordinate people as at any moment an unfit person who has stopped following unspoken instructions can be sentenced to several years in prison and in some countries more severe punishments can be imposed. That is why corruption exists in all countries and absolutely in all spheres of our life. It is just that some countries are more thorough in hiding corruption cases.

We are talking about corruption in sports, and normally our understanding is that what is happening is "sports fixing", some people may not be too concern about it, but for gamblers or sports bettors, this is a big thing as they can use this as their basis on making a decision, and I believe that some sports bettors believe that no sports are clean or safe from sports fixing.

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Quote from: iv4n on September 10, 2021, 08:13:42 AM

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Corruption is a kind of a hard control mechanism of subordinate people as at any moment an unfit person who has stopped following unspoken instructions can be sentenced to several years in prison and in some countries more severe punishments can be imposed. That is why corruption exists in all countries and absolutely in all spheres of our life. It is just that some countries are more thorough in hiding corruption cases.

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Quote from: yazher on September 10, 2021, 07:19:30 AM

Quote from: Kelvinid on September 10, 2021, 06:51:09 AM

Corruption is actually everywhere, but it started with the government, if the government is corrupt, then most probably the government are not good in implementing the law and that sectors and community will be corrupt as well, it will run in the system and everyone will be corrupt, and those people who are at the bottom will suffer from the greediness of the corrupt people.

Yeah, it's like a river on the top of the mountain where it flows around it before reaching the bottom. When the water is clean from the top, it goes all the way until it reaches its destination. But if someone is corrupt and will try to pollute the flowing water, it will become polluted but will soon be clean again because, from the top, everything is all right. When the top is corrupt then expect nothing good when it reaches the bottom. luckily we have a government that doesn't tolerate such bad acts and punishes everyone involved as soon as they are found guilty.

About which government do you talk about here? Nice analogy, but sadly too many governments in too many countries tolerate, and not only that, they are earning big money from corruption in the sports sector! Here we talk about billions of dollars every year that goes in their pockets from selling players, manipulating with results, etc...
There are countries where the law is respected, but on another side, we have a lot more countries where the law is just a written thing on paper! The highest government officials are becoming rich (some of them insanely rich) while they sit on the top and shit in the water that is going down... on us!

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Quote from: poldanmig on September 10, 2021, 06:47:06 AM

Quote from: MrcMrc on April 28, 2021, 07:21:10 AM

Corruption in the sports sector is linked to the political system where the entire government, from election to governance, is corrupt. This has affected the sports activities in most countries and even the premier league.

FIFA and other sport governing bodies are not left out in the corruption.

I think now that corruption has entered all sectors of government including sports, and of course this is what actually destroys the a country sporting achievements, and I think the impact of corruption has finally made the athletes who have been victims all this time.

Actually yea, the athlete and the gamblers are always been the victim and the gambling owner and the government in which the corrupt one is always the winner,
they bag all the money and athlete and gamblers suffer.
also the corrupt officials of each sports that what makes this issue happening , hope that this will end so the gambling and the sports will back to their feet and support because nowadays people are losing interest .

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Quote from: Kelvinid on September 10, 2021, 06:51:09 AM

Corruption is actually everywhere, but it started with the government, if the government is corrupt, then most probably the government are not good in implementing the law and that sectors and community will be corrupt as well, it will run in the system and everyone will be corrupt, and those people who are at the bottom will suffer from the greediness of the corrupt people.

Yeah, it's like a river on the top of the mountain where it flows around it before reaching the bottom. When the water is clean from the top, it goes all the way until it reaches its destination. But if someone is corrupt and will try to pollute the flowing water, it will become polluted but will soon be clean again because, from the top, everything is all right. When the top is corrupt then expect nothing good when it reaches the bottom. luckily we have a government that doesn't tolerate such bad acts and punishes everyone involved as soon as they are found guilty.

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Quote from: poldanmig on September 10, 2021, 06:47:06 AM

I think now that corruption has entered all sectors of government including sports, and of course this is what actually destroys the a country sporting achievements, and I think the impact of corruption has finally made the athletes who have been victims all this time.

I think before hitting an achievement, it's hitting the whole process of the sports being involved with corrupt people inside it. They're unlikely to receive any achievement since they're all for the corruption which they're only aiming for the fund.

Instead of those funds going through trainings and improvement not just by the players but as well as the management, that gives discomfort and not into the full capacity which should be expected because of the fund but as it goes corrupt, it doesn't go with the best and expected result.

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Quote from: poldanmig on September 10, 2021, 06:47:06 AM

Quote from: MrcMrc on April 28, 2021, 07:21:10 AM

Corruption in the sports sector is linked to the political system where the entire government, from election to governance, is corrupt. This has affected the sports activities in most countries and even the premier league.

FIFA and other sport governing bodies are not left out in the corruption.

I think now that corruption has entered all sectors of government including sports, and of course this is what actually destroys the a country sporting achievements, and I think the impact of corruption has finally made the athletes who have been victims all this time.

Corruption is actually everywhere, but it started with the government, if the government is corrupt, then most probably the government are not good in implementing the law and that sectors and community will be corrupt as well, it will run in the system and everyone will be corrupt, and those people who are at the bottom will suffer from the greediness of the corrupt people.

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