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March 22, 2021, 08:50:28 PM
Refs and star players have big impact in the game, so if they'll rig the game it could give a big impact to a certain sport.
I don't think the star players are involved in corruption. The top athletes have very good contacts and earn a lot. Besides, they have contracts with big brands. I don't think they would risk everything for a few hundred thousand dollars. After all, if they were found out that they were involved in corruption, they would lose everything they have.
You are right! Its just impossible to think that they would really be giving out some big amounts but who knows if the deal is a sweet one for a certain star player then these situations are possible.

Everything could happen behind the curtains that's why we can just end up on presuming things without valid proofs that it does actually happen but we know that once

money is on the line or in talks then people minds do eventually change even if you do thought that they do have that kind of dignity of fairness or sportsmanship.  Cheesy

Money can change a person, even someone who has a large income can be tempted by a large amount of money. Because everyone's greed limits
are different, star players who have large incomes may also be involved in corruption. There are always possibilities, so it doesn't guarantee that
star players won't get involved in corruption. Therefore if there is corruption, an in-depth investigation must be carried out so that all parties involved
can be caught.
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March 22, 2021, 07:58:34 PM
Refs and star players have big impact in the game, so if they'll rig the game it could give a big impact to a certain sport.

I don't think the star players are involved in corruption. The top athletes have very good contacts and earn a lot. Besides, they have contracts with big brands. I don't think they would risk everything for a few hundred thousand dollars. After all, if they were found out that they were involved in corruption, they would lose everything they have.
You are right! Its just impossible to think that they would really be giving out some big amounts but who knows if the deal is a sweet one for a certain star player then these situations are possible.

Everything could happen behind the curtains that's why we can just end up on presuming things without valid proofs that it does actually happen but we know that once

money is on the line or in talks then people minds do eventually change even if you do thought that they do have that kind of dignity of fairness or sportsmanship.  Cheesy
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March 22, 2021, 04:59:56 PM
Refs and star players have big impact in the game, so if they'll rig the game it could give a big impact to a certain sport.

I don't think the star players are involved in corruption. The top athletes have very good contacts and earn a lot. Besides, they have contracts with big brands. I don't think they would risk everything for a few hundred thousand dollars. After all, if they were found out that they were involved in corruption, they would lose everything they have.

I don't think a star player would want to put his career at risk. The amount of money they can earn is huge, so it can be very dangerous for them to be attracted to more money. Again many times the intoxication of money prevents people from thinking deeply so they make wrong decisions.

But in the past, many stars were involved in various forms of corruption so that they were caught in such activities. So players often get offers of something huge and they do not hesitate to risk everything.

Most of those superstars in any sports events are already being offered with huge amount it ill lessen the chance of any participations with fixed gamings.

The managements understand the flow of events around this business, in order to secure their assets providing a very competitive
and alluring offers are being provided to every deserving stars.

Though the accuracy can't conclude if there's no big names that's been involve to this kind of activities.

You can't guarantee that though, human  are greedy by nature so even if they are already receiving a huge salary or contract, they can still cheat if it's not that too risky to get caught. Thing is, with billions of money being wagered in sports, a star player depending on how big the league he is playing if he will participate, $1 million could be easy for him in one game and that's a huge bonus aside from the salary they are getting.
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March 22, 2021, 03:20:04 PM
Refs and star players have big impact in the game, so if they'll rig the game it could give a big impact to a certain sport.

I don't think the star players are involved in corruption. The top athletes have very good contacts and earn a lot. Besides, they have contracts with big brands. I don't think they would risk everything for a few hundred thousand dollars. After all, if they were found out that they were involved in corruption, they would lose everything they have.

I don't think a star player would want to put his career at risk. The amount of money they can earn is huge, so it can be very dangerous for them to be attracted to more money. Again many times the intoxication of money prevents people from thinking deeply so they make wrong decisions.

But in the past, many stars were involved in various forms of corruption so that they were caught in such activities. So players often get offers of something huge and they do not hesitate to risk everything.

Most of those superstars in any sports events are already being offered with huge amount it ill lessen the chance of any participations with fixed gamings.

The managements understand the flow of events around this business, in order to secure their assets providing a very competitive
and alluring offers are being provided to every deserving stars.

Though the accuracy can't conclude if there's no big names that's been involve to this kind of activities.
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March 22, 2021, 02:52:00 PM
Refs and star players have big impact in the game, so if they'll rig the game it could give a big impact to a certain sport.

I don't think the star players are involved in corruption. The top athletes have very good contacts and earn a lot. Besides, they have contracts with big brands. I don't think they would risk everything for a few hundred thousand dollars. After all, if they were found out that they were involved in corruption, they would lose everything they have.

I don't think a star player would want to put his career at risk. The amount of money they can earn is huge, so it can be very dangerous for them to be attracted to more money. Again many times the intoxication of money prevents people from thinking deeply so they make wrong decisions.

But in the past, many stars were involved in various forms of corruption so that they were caught in such activities. So players often get offers of something huge and they do not hesitate to risk everything.
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March 22, 2021, 02:24:50 PM
Refs and star players have big impact in the game, so if they'll rig the game it could give a big impact to a certain sport.

I don't think the star players are involved in corruption. The top athletes have very good contacts and earn a lot. Besides, they have contracts with big brands. I don't think they would risk everything for a few hundred thousand dollars. After all, if they were found out that they were involved in corruption, they would lose everything they have.
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March 21, 2021, 07:09:37 PM
I think this is one of their retirement plan wherein it’d be easier for them to earn that amount of money without playing the sports they were known for. Some even would run for government officials because people already know them when they were an athlete.

Yeah! there are lots of them in our country mostly some old veterans basketball players or even some old celebrities who are famous in their times and they get enough numbers of votes to win the election. By the way, only a few of them has done their job well and most of the time they been using their position just to make money and to support their financial activities which they've been doing since they were an artist. Most of these guys don't have any idea what they are going to be and how politics runs. the only thing that they know is acting and the area that they covered hasn't got any improvement after they've been elected.
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March 21, 2021, 06:35:06 PM

Louder. Corruption is a thing, and will continue to be a thing yes, but removing it from the scene, even if temporarily,  is still a huge benefit to everyone in that scene. Sides, you can't exactly expect for only a single group to eradicate corruption in a group/scene for all eternity right? They'd have to commit mass genocide for that to even work. Maybe if we were to ignore a person's privacy rights and let everything be publicly reflected, it could be reduced to the minimum, but in the end, it still needs to have that central figure that wouldn't allow corruption.

No one person can control everything. In sports, as everywhere else, there are a lot of people working. Even if the head is not involved in corruption, it does not mean that his subordinates will not be involved. It seems to me that corruption is a thing that is inevitable. At least as long as people will make the decision. Or it is necessary to build a maximum vertical of power to minimize it, but even then it will not disappear.

Though not everyone is involve but as long as there's one person in a team that will do the corruption, it already has a huge effect especially for the bettors. Imagine, the 0.5 difference in sports betting could case a huge loss already for the bettors, that if a player will intentionally achieve a certain number to hit a certain point spread or even the totals.

Refs and star players have big impact in the game, so if they'll rig the game it could give a big impact to a certain sport.
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March 21, 2021, 04:07:51 PM

Louder. Corruption is a thing, and will continue to be a thing yes, but removing it from the scene, even if temporarily,  is still a huge benefit to everyone in that scene. Sides, you can't exactly expect for only a single group to eradicate corruption in a group/scene for all eternity right? They'd have to commit mass genocide for that to even work. Maybe if we were to ignore a person's privacy rights and let everything be publicly reflected, it could be reduced to the minimum, but in the end, it still needs to have that central figure that wouldn't allow corruption.

No one person can control everything. In sports, as everywhere else, there are a lot of people working. Even if the head is not involved in corruption, it does not mean that his subordinates will not be involved. It seems to me that corruption is a thing that is inevitable. At least as long as people will make the decision. Or it is necessary to build a maximum vertical of power to minimize it, but even then it will not disappear.
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March 20, 2021, 09:10:42 PM
Corruption is inevitable in life. It basically covers every sphere and sports isn't going to be an option. I hear there are fixed  bets and I wonder how does this happen? Because actually,  some assured draws comes off that way and I you wonder how did it happen. Its only because of the corrupt officials and stake holders in the sports system. Sports is entertainment as much as it is business and as such, it would always be exploited for some profit by stakeholders when they aren't closely monitored.
While I agree that corruption is inevitable and that some level of it is going to exist in every single country around the world we cannot use that as an excuse to not fight against it, corruption in sports is a very big deal because the whole point of holding sport competitions is to see who is the best at an activity when you have a level playing field, if one person or team has an unfair advantage over their opponents then not only that is cheating but that also denies any reason to watch the sport at all.
Louder. Corruption is a thing, and will continue to be a thing yes, but removing it from the scene, even if temporarily,  is still a huge benefit to everyone in that scene. Sides, you can't exactly expect for only a single group to eradicate corruption in a group/scene for all eternity right? They'd have to commit mass genocide for that to even work. Maybe if we were to ignore a person's privacy rights and let everything be publicly reflected, it could be reduced to the minimum, but in the end, it still needs to have that central figure that wouldn't allow corruption.
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March 20, 2021, 08:55:52 PM
Corruption is inevitable in life. It basically covers every sphere and sports isn't going to be an option. I hear there are fixed  bets and I wonder how does this happen? Because actually,  some assured draws comes off that way and I you wonder how did it happen. Its only because of the corrupt officials and stake holders in the sports system. Sports is entertainment as much as it is business and as such, it would always be exploited for some profit by stakeholders when they aren't closely monitored.
While I agree that corruption is inevitable and that some level of it is going to exist in every single country around the world we cannot use that as an excuse to not fight against it, corruption in sports is a very big deal because the whole point of holding sport competitions is to see who is the best at an activity when you have a level playing field, if one person or team has an unfair advantage over their opponents then not only that is cheating but that also denies any reason to watch the sport at all.
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March 20, 2021, 07:54:06 AM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

There's corruption everywhere or in any group or organization, there's no perfect organization, people are greedy and they want to exert their power to those who they can control, much more on sports, sports is a multi-billion dollar industry, and there are always greedy players who will connive with corrupt officials and groups to manipulate games because the money that they are going to make is ten times or even bigger than what they are earning.
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March 20, 2021, 07:00:28 AM
I think this is one of their retirement plan wherein it’d be easier for them to earn that amount of money without playing the sports they were known for. Some even would run for government officials because people already know them when they were an athlete.

Retirement plan for whom?

I guess no excuse could justify this because it's a crime, it's a certain team or league against the people, this is betraying public trust as their job is to entertain the people and in return they'll get money from people, that should only be the limitation and not to participate in any fix game or corruption which is a criminal offense.
Corruption is still corruption no matter what is your motive good or Bad.
Because if we will give consent on their activities then we must allow everything that comes illegal in this world.
and besides they are the only one whos profiting while many are being a victim.

They must be put in jail and suffer from their BS works.

Of course as they are the reason why a certain sport loses its reputation, it's not good for the sports in overall. As what we remember, there are some speculation about a conspiracy in NBA in the past, and although it's not happening now, people still have doubt, it will actually stay so it's better to prevent it and jail those people who are doing it.
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March 20, 2021, 05:06:59 AM
I think this is one of their retirement plan wherein it’d be easier for them to earn that amount of money without playing the sports they were known for. Some even would run for government officials because people already know them when they were an athlete.

Retirement plan for whom?

I guess no excuse could justify this because it's a crime, it's a certain team or league against the people, this is betraying public trust as their job is to entertain the people and in return they'll get money from people, that should only be the limitation and not to participate in any fix game or corruption which is a criminal offense.
Corruption is still corruption no matter what is your motive good or Bad.
Because if we will give consent on their activities then we must allow everything that comes illegal in this world.
and besides they are the only one whos profiting while many are being a victim.

They must be put in jail and suffer from their BS works.
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March 20, 2021, 04:45:36 AM
Easy to say that we eradicate corruption but the only way to really have it completely eradicated is when we do an ironclad policies regarding corruption like death penalty for proven cases of corruption. Honestly, it is going to be difficult to eradicate corruption because we can't defeat human nature that is the root of corruption, with people that is striving for more power, wealth and influence, I think that we still haven't got any progress of eradicating it.
I think it is impossible to eradicate corruption, the thing is the officials and not just refs who are corrupted are the ones that are leading it, so who are you going to complain about them? They are at the top so they make all the decisions and unless they are jailed and some new ones come up that are non-corruptible which is another impossible thing, we can't find a way to get rid of them.

It  is really a human nature thing, making tens of millions of dollars from corruption and saying no to it is not something many people would be able to do, I mean I can honestly say that I have never been tested that way, but if I were I think I would probably accept it as well considering not just myself but my family as well. It is hard to find people who would be so good that they would say no to tens of millions of dollars in corruption money so it is going to be very difficult.
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March 19, 2021, 06:04:50 PM
If anybody is interested there was a good study published way back in 2016 that looked into the different types of sports corruption that look into it not being only or directly affected by money but there's also politics and national pride that come into play. It's a good but lengthy read that explains a lot https://www.researchgate.net/publication/329977201_Corruption_in_Sport

Nice link, thanks. I will quote it for next references to it (and to not forget where it was)
It's like real semi-scientific work, lol  Grin

And yeah, in sport and gambling in all times will be a lot of corruption. This is a reason why top football (and other games) players are so high paid. It's better to pay them more, they will afraid to lose it and will not try to cheat the system.
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March 19, 2021, 07:06:56 AM
It might be their solution for a faster way of retirement.
Making money out of sports is limited. When you are not that strong anymore (old) they will kick you out.
Injuries is also a problem. Accidents can happen anytime.

What happens afterward if you don't find anything to make money?  A job. Companies with age requirements and will try to avoid old applicants.
This is just one of the reason I can think of.
There may be more.

If it is on of their reasons, I guess I'm gonna be disappointed. Because it's not them who will decide when will the players would quit their passion, that would be devastating for them having no choice but to quit because of corruption in sports, that's pretty messed up to be honest. Athletes are not playing their sports just to earn money, it's because they like it and they dedicated their life for it because it's their passion.

The problem about certain Government is that they abuse their power, they want to control everything so that they could have the profit from all of us.
Not true actually because people who represents their national on international level will be rewarded with a government job in some sector with lot of other offers but who needs a job when they already have money and ready to become an investor from the next day after their retirement?
Who knows about that because if they want to have a job, they can accept the government's offer to work as many people and earn more money monthly besides becoming an investor.
Many athletes work in the government office as a staff, so they can still use their skills from the academy, and also they can back to the sports anytime, especially if their instance needs them.
But we hope that the athletes who work in the government's staff don't commit to making money but should have an effort to serve society.
Besides that, if they can be government staff, they can retire with a monthly pension income or they can get a pension in their old.
Literally no one is going to work for free and the government's offer because of their excellence in sports is justified with such offer but stastically most sportsmen retires and keep living as rich life for few years and they will completely disappear when they exhaust their balance, only few sports person managed to understand they need to keep their source of income via investing to keep their life style high all the time.
If the payment for the sportsmen is good, they can retire without thinking of searching the other job to earn money.
But not many of them can have that such a good life and many can not get rich from sports.
Maybe they can not manage their money and need more support from the governments by giving them a chance to work as government officers.
That trigger some sportsmen to involve in the corruptions circle without thinking about the risk of their career and if they caught, they could not get another good offer from other instances.

It might be their solution for a faster way of retirement.
Making money out of sports is limited. When you are not that strong anymore (old) they will kick you out.
Injuries is also a problem. Accidents can happen anytime.

What happens afterward if you don't find anything to make money?  A job. Companies with age requirements and will try to avoid old applicants.
This is just one of the reason I can think of.
There may be more.

If it is on of their reasons, I guess I'm gonna be disappointed. Because it's not them who will decide when will the players would quit their passion, that would be devastating for them having no choice but to quit because of corruption in sports, that's pretty messed up to be honest. Athletes are not playing their sports just to earn money, it's because they like it and they dedicated their life for it because it's their passion.

The problem about certain Government is that they abuse their power, they want to control everything so that they could have the profit from all of us.
Not true actually because people who represents their national on international level will be rewarded with a government job in some sector with lot of other offers but who needs a job when they already have money and ready to become an investor from the next day after their retirement?
Who knows about that because if they want to have a job, they can accept the government's offer to work as many people and earn more money monthly besides becoming an investor.
Many athletes work in the government office as a staff, so they can still use their skills from the academy, and also they can back to the sports anytime, especially if their instance needs them.
But we hope that the athletes who work in the government's staff don't commit to making money but should have an effort to serve society.
Besides that, if they can be government staff, they can retire with a monthly pension income or they can get a pension in their old.

It is too strange if the reason for corruption is due to fear of losing a job due to old age and not meeting the requirements.  Humans are given reason to think and while working in the world of sports, they should have mitigated this from the start.  Isn't it just sportsmen who have age requirements.  But there are many other types of jobs that have these requirements.  So, I strongly disagree if the corruption mindset is motivated by a lack of sense of work.  Those who are corrupt are not less intellectual but lack faith.
I think that is not strange because they will have many reasons to corrupt, and most of them have an excuse because they need money for their life.
Maybe they do not have motivated to corrupt because of a lack of sense of work, but they tempted by the money given to them, so they decide to follow the officers corrupt.
Yes, you are correct that saying they lack faith because they can not think about the damage or risk they will get when caught.
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March 19, 2021, 06:56:35 AM
I think this is one of their retirement plan wherein it’d be easier for them to earn that amount of money without playing the sports they were known for. Some even would run for government officials because people already know them when they were an athlete.

Retirement plan for whom?

I guess no excuse could justify this because it's a crime, it's a certain team or league against the people, this is betraying public trust as their job is to entertain the people and in return they'll get money from people, that should only be the limitation and not to participate in any fix game or corruption which is a criminal offense.
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March 19, 2021, 06:35:29 AM
I think this is one of their retirement plan wherein it’d be easier for them to earn that amount of money without playing the sports they were known for. Some even would run for government officials because people already know them when they were an athlete.
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March 19, 2021, 04:49:57 AM
Corruption is really common in a higher position, there is always corruption and I don't think that it would be removed in a certain country, greediness is always the reason why corruption happens, even though they already have a stable life, good life and good money they still want more their way on this is not a good thing because they are stealing the money of other people. In our country as well, that statement is really common, the good thing in our country is that our president has lessen the corruption unlike before wherein the corruption is really obvious and most of the officials are doing it.

The reason is not greed, but in the system itself: when an official disposes of what does not belong to him, the temptation to profit from this is very great. Where there is a state, there will always be corruption. There is practically no corruption in private business, since the owner will not steal from himself.
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