CrazyTime and Monopoly, should we trust?

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Quote from: magneto on February 24, 2022, 05:43:49 PM

I agree.

Just because something is not provably fair wouldn't necessarily preclude me from playing the game for fun.

But I would certainly never put in more than say $50 in total every time I play this game. They could very easily discriminate against higher bets, whereas if the game was rigged, they are less likely to target smaller bets.

By the way, it would be interesting to know how much is at stake for the "average" rotation of the wheel. It would be useful to know both for those reasons that you said (to understand the size of a safe bet) and out of simple curiosity - it is interesting from what turnover the organization of such a game makes economic sense for the casino.

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Quote from: magneto on February 24, 2022, 05:43:49 PM

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I agree.

Just because something is not provably fair wouldn't necessarily preclude me from playing the game for fun.

But I would certainly never put in more than say $50 in total every time I play this game. They could very easily discriminate against higher bets, whereas if the game was rigged, they are less likely to target smaller bets.

Since they are a live game, I don't think the amount of your bet decides the result, but maybe the sum of all bets is part of the equation.

Each round tons of people bets on the same roll, and all of them will get the same result, that's why I don't think a single-player martingale would get rigged.

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Quote from: dothebeats on February 25, 2022, 08:59:39 AM

It's just fun to watch the outcome of these games, but no I don't trust nor plan to bet on these games. Even if someone regularly checks on the live roll's authenticity and veracity, they can be paid too, in order to rig the game. Though most auditors and verifiers of these games are reliable most of the time, you can never be sure if their participation on audits is already paid. Everything has a price. I'll stick to my casino games and sports betting, I guess.

I agree – they are for fun, and casino is for gambling and there is no trust in Casino and gambling. It’s an easy money which comes with luck and in our culture it is a strong belief that easy come, easy go. But vigilance is the key – being a little bit extra vigilant wont hurt. I restrict myself to occasional betting on cricket matches.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on February 24, 2022, 06:05:03 PM

Its really an unfortunate question, but whether or not trusting any gambling service or website is wise can only be answered by looking at the distant and near past history. A lot of them always find legal ways to screw their trusting audience and players over. And sometimes and quite often, they even do so illegally. Having a gambling license does not make it impossible to commit crimes. And everything really should be taken with a grain or two of salt.

If I had to make a choice, I would go for Monopoly because it has a bigger name. But don't be fooled, even the biggest names screw people over while disregarding laws.

Now that I think about it, monopoly is a registered trademark do you think they have the permission to use it ? After all I do not think the legal owners of the trademark would agree to do this, as their game is mostly for kids and young people and this could induce them to gamble, an activity which is for those that have reached adulthood, so when I think about the less incentive I have to play this game as if they can ignore the rights of the owners of the trademark then they could do the same to their players.

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Quote from: dothebeats on February 25, 2022, 08:59:39 AM

Everything has a price. I'll stick to my casino games and sports betting, I guess.

I still prefer sports betting too because the chance of manipulation is very small. Betting is involving money and it is not encouraging if you know the outcome of your bet was manipulated, I rather to stick to the kind of games that I can go on research for myself and probably determine my decision on it. If I do a sports bet, I may also have the chance of watching it and see for myself whether the referee was partial or not.

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It's just fun to watch the outcome of these games, but no I don't trust nor plan to bet on these games. Even if someone regularly checks on the live roll's authenticity and veracity, they can be paid too, in order to rig the game. Though most auditors and verifiers of these games are reliable most of the time, you can never be sure if their participation on audits is already paid. Everything has a price. I'll stick to my casino games and sports betting, I guess.

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Quote from: alegotardo on February 13, 2022, 12:00:52 PM

Quote from: seoincorporation on February 13, 2022, 11:48:26 AM

I know they run under a gambling license, but we don't know how rigged the machines are, even the Dice rolls for the Monopoly board could be a replay of a video and not a live roll.

That's why I start this topic, I want to know if the people of the community trust in those games.

Usually these live games are audited by a third party company, so the reliability of these games is directly related to who the auditors are, as they have a reputation to uphold, and reputation is the most valuable asset for these auditing companies.

But directly answering your question: NO, I don't trust and I don't like to bet on these games.

Correct.

This game is only entertaining to those who thinks gambling games are all the same, when it's not. Just like what you've said, this game is manipulated by a third party in which they are choosing small bets to win and collect the big bets by doing so, if I'm not mistaken. Once people know the true story behind such game, for sure they will never enjoy this live betting game and will always make extra effort to make a research first before betting on some games.

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Its really an unfortunate question, but whether or not trusting any gambling service or website is wise can only be answered by looking at the distant and near past history. A lot of them always find legal ways to screw their trusting audience and players over. And sometimes and quite often, they even do so illegally. Having a gambling license does not make it impossible to commit crimes. And everything really should be taken with a grain or two of salt.

If I had to make a choice, I would go for Monopoly because it has a bigger name. But don't be fooled, even the biggest names screw people over while disregarding laws.

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Quote from: timerland on February 24, 2022, 05:23:16 PM

I guess there is a difference between trust and willingness to play.

People are still quite willing to play these games despite knowing that it's not provably fair or whatnot, presumably because of the entertainment value.

And that is honestly fair enough. I sometimes play these games for fun too. But the problem lies with streamers promoting this game as the equivalent of provably fair and dropping thousands in a single bet which you should never do.

May be some prefer the fun part with some pretty small losses. It's not even entertaining playing where another person (auditors) say it cools to use them since they have checked them. It will come to a point when you would be mislead and regret following what the front runner was showing you.

I will choose sport virtual games where the risk is high than follow this, it's my money and its going to be my rules and my way and let the players give me the outcome.

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Quote from: bitbollo on February 22, 2022, 05:43:21 AM

Quote from: CaVO32 on February 21, 2022, 07:23:32 PM

Based from the poll, gamblers here are not trusting this kind of live games. And yet, many gamblers are playing this game. So if you don't trust this game, why are you playing? Tongue

So yes, for me, if you have doubt about the provable fairness of the game, better choose a trustworthy casino. At least, they are tested with a lot of players and if they are running shady operations, it will be expose by users.

I am not surprised because we have motto "Don't Trust! Verify!"
How you could verify a game like this? Can you trust blindly an audit society and their work?
Personally I cannot trust and I will play just for fun (without expecting nothing back, I mean just for entertainment)

I agree.

Just because something is not provably fair wouldn't necessarily preclude me from playing the game for fun.

But I would certainly never put in more than say $50 in total every time I play this game. They could very easily discriminate against higher bets, whereas if the game was rigged, they are less likely to target smaller bets.

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Quote from: CaVO32 on February 21, 2022, 07:23:32 PM

Based from the poll, gamblers here are not trusting this kind of live games. And yet, many gamblers are playing this game. So if you don't trust this game, why are you playing? Tongue

So yes, for me, if you have doubt about the provable fairness of the game, better choose a trustworthy casino. At least, they are tested with a lot of players and if they are running shady operations, it will be expose by users.

I guess there is a difference between trust and willingness to play.

People are still quite willing to play these games despite knowing that it's not provably fair or whatnot, presumably because of the entertainment value.

And that is honestly fair enough. I sometimes play these games for fun too. But the problem lies with streamers promoting this game as the equivalent of provably fair and dropping thousands in a single bet which you should never do.

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Quote from: CaVO32 on February 21, 2022, 07:23:32 PM

Quote from: Lanatsa on February 21, 2022, 06:54:49 PM

Quote from: harizen on February 20, 2022, 07:47:34 PM

Trust is a big word. If you are playing those games at those reputable sites already, then assume that everything is fair.

Trust is indeed a big word on which as a user you would really be needing to trust up a particular platform on which you do make out some deposits and just part of self awareness and common sense you would choose up on whats the current best platform or site to have on which you do play specially with live games even though it isn't proven its provably fair but with having that current reputation that it
has then you would definitely say that you could trust this one out.

Based from the poll, gamblers here are not trusting this kind of live games. And yet, many gamblers are playing this game. So if you don't trust this game, why are you playing? Tongue

So yes, for me, if you have doubt about the provable fairness of the game, better choose a trustworthy casino. At least, they are tested with a lot of players and if they are running shady operations, it will be expose by users.

I am quite sure that those that do not trust in these kind of games are not playing them either, only a small minority of people will decide to engage in a game they do not trust, this is similar to what we see with casinos in general, if a casino has a bad reputation in the forum and people know about it then the chances that they will actually play there are incredibly low, as they will not want to take such a risk when there are so many other casinos in which they can play and which are known to be trusted by the community.

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Quote from: CaVO32 on February 21, 2022, 07:23:32 PM

Based from the poll, gamblers here are not trusting this kind of live games. And yet, many gamblers are playing this game. So if you don't trust this game, why are you playing? Tongue

So yes, for me, if you have doubt about the provable fairness of the game, better choose a trustworthy casino. At least, they are tested with a lot of players and if they are running shady operations, it will be expose by users.

You can trust only if you can check the honesty, in this case it cannot be done, so the "do not trust" option is obvious to anyone who thinks logically. But given the reputation and other factors (lack of information about fraud), many people play it because they believe that the risk of dishonesty in this game is at an acceptable level.

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Quote from: KennyR on February 21, 2022, 07:34:24 PM

Quote from: CaVO32 on February 21, 2022, 07:23:32 PM

Quote from: Lanatsa on February 21, 2022, 06:54:49 PM

Quote from: harizen on February 20, 2022, 07:47:34 PM

Trust is a big word. If you are playing those games at those reputable sites already, then assume that everything is fair.

Trust is indeed a big word on which as a user you would really be needing to trust up a particular platform on which you do make out some deposits and just part of self awareness and common sense you would choose up on whats the current best platform or site to have on which you do play specially with live games even though it isn't proven its provably fair but with having that current reputation that it
has then you would definitely say that you could trust this one out.

Based from the poll, gamblers here are not trusting this kind of live games. And yet, many gamblers are playing this game. So if you don't trust this game, why are you playing? Tongue

So yes, for me, if you have doubt about the provable fairness of the game, better choose a trustworthy casino. At least, they are tested with a lot of players and if they are running shady operations, it will be expose by users.

When you find something shady make a research and reveal it to the people. Through this thread more users who have used these kind of games now think of the past spending. It is a good work, and it is always good to move away from such platforms than spending.

We've got more number of trusted platforms with provably fair working. Even with those platforms there were bugs that doesn't work fair. Further after reporting this has been solved. So, having an error is different than the entire system being an error. With these games the entire system is an error.

With regards to live games, there's no way we can find out if it's real or not therefore even with how hard we put on research, we can't have a fair result.

More importantly, just have fun betting at those live games if it's on the reputable casinos since no way they will cheat on us as building a reputation takes years to progress.

I doubt they will cheat on us as it will result in bad reviews in return.

There would be no bad news because those bets or games couldn't really be verified to be fair on the first place that's why its not surprising that we would able to make out conclusions that they are doing

fair business whether we could be sure on that or not.It isn't really been proven out but since they do have that kind of reputation and popularity then we could really tell on ourselves that they are running
on good terms.Yes, reputation couldn't be build on short term which means that they are really protecting this stuff since this is a long term business to have.

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Quote from: goinmerry on February 21, 2022, 07:53:30 PM

With regards to live games, there's no way we can find out if it's real or not therefore even with how hard we put on research, we can't have a fair result.

More importantly, just have fun betting at those live games if it's on the reputable casinos since no way they will cheat on us as building a reputation takes years to progress.

I doubt they will cheat on us as it will result in bad reviews in return.

It is true that a casino with a good reputation is not going to take their chances to scam a player just to earn a few more dollars, however even in that instance I do not think I would feel comfortable playing a game like that because as it has been stated by other players there is no way to verify the results at all, and when this is the case there is no way to make sure that you are not being cheated, and in a market where people like to make this kind of verification from time to time just to have some peace of mind this is a huge flaw that cannot be tolerated.

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Quote from: CaVO32 on February 21, 2022, 07:23:32 PM

Based from the poll, gamblers here are not trusting this kind of live games. And yet, many gamblers are playing this game. So if you don't trust this game, why are you playing? Tongue

So yes, for me, if you have doubt about the provable fairness of the game, better choose a trustworthy casino. At least, they are tested with a lot of players and if they are running shady operations, it will be expose by users.

I am not surprised because we have motto "Don't Trust! Verify!"
How you could verify a game like this? Can you trust blindly an audit society and their work?
Personally I cannot trust and I will play just for fun (without expecting nothing back, I mean just for entertainment)

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Quote from: CaVO32 on February 21, 2022, 07:23:32 PM

Quote from: Lanatsa on February 21, 2022, 06:54:49 PM

Quote from: harizen on February 20, 2022, 07:47:34 PM

Trust is a big word. If you are playing those games at those reputable sites already, then assume that everything is fair.

Trust is indeed a big word on which as a user you would really be needing to trust up a particular platform on which you do make out some deposits and just part of self awareness and common sense you would choose up on whats the current best platform or site to have on which you do play specially with live games even though it isn't proven its provably fair but with having that current reputation that it
has then you would definitely say that you could trust this one out.

Based from the poll, gamblers here are not trusting this kind of live games. And yet, many gamblers are playing this game. So if you don't trust this game, why are you playing? Tongue

So yes, for me, if you have doubt about the provable fairness of the game, better choose a trustworthy casino. At least, they are tested with a lot of players and if they are running shady operations, it will be expose by users.

When you find something shady make a research and reveal it to the people. Through this thread more users who have used these kind of games now think of the past spending. It is a good work, and it is always good to move away from such platforms than spending.

We've got more number of trusted platforms with provably fair working. Even with those platforms there were bugs that doesn't work fair. Further after reporting this has been solved. So, having an error is different than the entire system being an error. With these games the entire system is an error.

With regards to live games, there's no way we can find out if it's real or not therefore even with how hard we put on research, we can't have a fair result.

More importantly, just have fun betting at those live games if it's on the reputable casinos since no way they will cheat on us as building a reputation takes years to progress.

I doubt they will cheat on us as it will result in bad reviews in return.

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Quote from: CaVO32 on February 21, 2022, 07:23:32 PM

Quote from: Lanatsa on February 21, 2022, 06:54:49 PM

Quote from: harizen on February 20, 2022, 07:47:34 PM

Trust is a big word. If you are playing those games at those reputable sites already, then assume that everything is fair.

Trust is indeed a big word on which as a user you would really be needing to trust up a particular platform on which you do make out some deposits and just part of self awareness and common sense you would choose up on whats the current best platform or site to have on which you do play specially with live games even though it isn't proven its provably fair but with having that current reputation that it
has then you would definitely say that you could trust this one out.

Based from the poll, gamblers here are not trusting this kind of live games. And yet, many gamblers are playing this game. So if you don't trust this game, why are you playing? Tongue

So yes, for me, if you have doubt about the provable fairness of the game, better choose a trustworthy casino. At least, they are tested with a lot of players and if they are running shady operations, it will be expose by users.

When you find something shady make a research and reveal it to the people. Through this thread more users who have used these kind of games now think of the past spending. It is a good work, and it is always good to move away from such platforms than spending.

We've got more number of trusted platforms with provably fair working. Even with those platforms there were bugs that doesn't work fair. Further after reporting this has been solved. So, having an error is different than the entire system being an error. With these games the entire system is an error.

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Quote from: Lanatsa on February 21, 2022, 06:54:49 PM

Quote from: harizen on February 20, 2022, 07:47:34 PM

Trust is a big word. If you are playing those games at those reputable sites already, then assume that everything is fair.

Trust is indeed a big word on which as a user you would really be needing to trust up a particular platform on which you do make out some deposits and just part of self awareness and common sense you would choose up on whats the current best platform or site to have on which you do play specially with live games even though it isn't proven its provably fair but with having that current reputation that it
has then you would definitely say that you could trust this one out.

Based from the poll, gamblers here are not trusting this kind of live games. And yet, many gamblers are playing this game. So if you don't trust this game, why are you playing? Tongue

So yes, for me, if you have doubt about the provable fairness of the game, better choose a trustworthy casino. At least, they are tested with a lot of players and if they are running shady operations, it will be expose by users.

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Quote from: harizen on February 20, 2022, 07:47:34 PM

Trust is a big word. If you are playing those games at those reputable sites already, then assume that everything is fair.

Trust is indeed a big word on which as a user you would really be needing to trust up a particular platform on which you do make out some deposits and just part of self awareness and common sense you would choose up on whats the current best platform or site to have on which you do play specially with live games even though it isn't proven its provably fair but with having that current reputation that it
has then you would definitely say that you could trust this one out.

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