I personally don't think so.
You could make the argument that they are regulated, sure, but in reality a lot of casinos which are regulated end up being rogue.
I don't trust anything that is not 100% provably fair. So even if that means a bit less entertainment, I'm willing to cop that.
Topic: CrazyTime and Monopoly, should we trust? - page 4. (Read 857 times)
It's hard to trust such live casinos because we don't know what's happening in the backend.
We can never tell how corrupt the people can be. May be the casinos would have paid enough to the authorities to let them manipulate the rolls.
This is why I prefer online gambling which has a provably fair system so that everyone can verify that their rolls are in fact genuine.
I think the same, the number of ways in which a game can be rigged are basically infinite so live casinos despite how attractive they could be to some people are simply too risky, people can cheat right in front of your eyes and unless they tell you it is impossible to catch them, can you imagine how easy it is to do this when you are not even present in the same room and you are only watching a video? So a game like this is not something in which I am interested at all. We can never tell how corrupt the people can be. May be the casinos would have paid enough to the authorities to let them manipulate the rolls.
This is why I prefer online gambling which has a provably fair system so that everyone can verify that their rolls are in fact genuine.
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- Jurisdiction- Cost money
- You don't know about the provider.
Other reasons, but most of them are because of this issue why people don't want to report the case of manipulation games. Also, license provider who provider for the gambling is not doing anything.
They just only release the online license, take money and that's it.
Yes.
The vast mayority of frauds on the internet made worldwide are for little money (up to 2500 or 5000 usd). Why? Because a lawyer and open a real investigation cost you too much money than this. And yo dont know if can be resolve and take a lot of years for nothing.
Im not only talking about betting games. Pishing scams etc.
Like this Scam i show up to show, enjoy this video its really amazing. Look how a Hacker catch the scammers (i know its near OT but its fantastic).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUNRzYJcyr8
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- Jurisdiction- Cost money
- You don't know about the provider.
Other reasons, but most of them are because of this issue why people don't want to report the case of manipulation games. Also, license provider who provider for the gambling is not doing anything.
They just only release the online license, take money and that's it.
Motor, brake, electromagnetic what every you are calling.
In youtube already have some video, the wheels is not stopped and keep spinning. It's already one of the proof that can be easy to manipulated, and yes the person who spins the wheel does not control the outcome.
There has some other person/team behind the monitor who controls the outcome ~XD
In youtube already have some video, the wheels is not stopped and keep spinning. It's already one of the proof that can be easy to manipulated, and yes the person who spins the wheel does not control the outcome.
There has some other person/team behind the monitor who controls the outcome ~XD
Why all this complexity and such risk (at least a few people know about this fraud and can turn everyone in to the police) if the mathematical model of the game allows the casino to always win without any fraud? I don't believe in people's honesty, but if it's profitable to be honest, then the vast majority of people will be honest. Like the casino in this case.
We have also a problem between gamblers. Why? Because all the people who are gamblers and say "I only gamble for fun" so this people doesnt care if they lose or they win (i really dont think in the end they doesnt care), and made a endorsement to the casinos.
If all the people really cares about that the control made for the players itself was more more big, but between the addicts and the peoples i called before its really dificult because the wheel keep spining.
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And in other things man if you play for fun, a advice i give to you, STOP LIE TO YOURSELF. IF you want fun why dont play without money? Why dont play games with other peoples? why dont play serious games?.
If all the people really cares about that the control made for the players itself was more more big, but between the addicts and the peoples i called before its really dificult because the wheel keep spining.
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And in other things man if you play for fun, a advice i give to you, STOP LIE TO YOURSELF. IF you want fun why dont play without money? Why dont play games with other peoples? why dont play serious games?.
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Motor, brake, electromagnetic what every you are calling.In youtube already have some video, the wheels is not stopped and keep spinning. It's already one of the proof that can be easy to manipulated, and yes the person who spins the wheel does not control the outcome.
There has some other person/team behind the monitor who controls the outcome ~XD
I agree that could be people behind it that can control the wheel the person that spin the wheel cannot do that but he must make it appear that the spin and the results are natural, I trust dice or crash game that this Monopoly game, I have this feeling that everything is staged so they can make it appear natural to avoid the misconception that it's rigged.
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Motor, brake, electromagnetic what every you are calling.In youtube already have some video, the wheels is not stopped and keep spinning. It's already one of the proof that can be easy to manipulated, and yes the person who spins the wheel does not control the outcome.
There has some other person/team behind the monitor who controls the outcome ~XD
It's hard to trust such live casinos because we don't know what's happening in the backend.
We can never tell how corrupt the people can be. May be the casinos would have paid enough to the authorities to let them manipulate the rolls.
This is why I prefer online gambling which has a provably fair system so that everyone can verify that their rolls are in fact genuine.
We can never tell how corrupt the people can be. May be the casinos would have paid enough to the authorities to let them manipulate the rolls.
This is why I prefer online gambling which has a provably fair system so that everyone can verify that their rolls are in fact genuine.
So far on the poll, people here do not trust this game
Yes - 4 (28.6%)
No - 10 (71.4%)
Total Voters: 14
I also voted no the house has a big chance to win the game and he can easily manipulate the game by using devices, honestly, I have not played this kind of game because the chances are in favor of the house based on a calculation I prefer playing in a game where I can check the fairness of the game.
Yes - 4 (28.6%)
No - 10 (71.4%)
Total Voters: 14
I also voted no the house has a big chance to win the game and he can easily manipulate the game by using devices, honestly, I have not played this kind of game because the chances are in favor of the house based on a calculation I prefer playing in a game where I can check the fairness of the game.
I don't know for sure because it could have been manipulated by the casino secretly and it's likely that they will give people wins so they will keep playing and in the end, they will lose.
I saw in the video that person was lucky to win some money from that game.
I just hope that the gambler can quit that game and get his money before he suffers a loss.
If he could stop in time, maybe he could enjoy his victory.
I saw in the video that person was lucky to win some money from that game.
I just hope that the gambler can quit that game and get his money before he suffers a loss.
If he could stop in time, maybe he could enjoy his victory.
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I don't trust such games either and I think that the probability of players being cheated is quite high. Of course I have no reliable proof of these words, but in my opinion it is very similar to the TV show "shopping on TV" in which people thanks to advertising and supposedly huge discounts buy cheap and unnecessary things at triple the price.
If they rigged the machine, how do we know for sure?
If you search on youtube.There has been some technical issues on their game and exposed how the game is rigged, is being runner by motor. The issue is keep spinning never stop on anything, so is actually can be controlled.
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Fun fact about these, even we all know they are rigged, people still play the game ~XD they want chasing season while the casino on section gives the player win ~XD.
Do you actually think the wheel are motorized? I think the wheel spins free.. but they have some kind of precision braking system that can brake the wheel to determine the outcome of the bet. (electromagnets)
I also feel the person spinning the wheel are not in control of that braking system, but rather that it is being controlled by some kind of sophisticated computer that are doing this remotely. (A number are punched in when they want a specific number to drop and then the computerized braking system, will stop on that number) This is also not done on every bet, but rather when large bets are placed.
The Croupier does not even know about this system, because they are low paid employees and they will reveal the secrets, if they know about it.
When the fairness of the results become questionable the direct answer to such game should be no. But in reality players are trusting the sites which provides live room so they go for bets means they also have its place in the gambling world so it all depends on the players experience, if they are winning they won't blame anything or else they will move out of it just like any other gambling sites.
If there's solid evidence that this game can be rigged then gamblers will not trust this game and will just be here out of curiosity or just want to have fun, but so far there are none and people still enjoy this because there is an excitement in playing a live game, it's like watching two fairly even fighters and the game is very even going through the last round, there is a big excitement especially when you have a big bet.
Live games are really entertaining, is like watching TV while we pace bets. But they are not probably fair, and there are a lot of videos on youtube that show how the rolls are manipulated. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu7400hUA3A)
I know they run under a gambling license, but we don't know how rigged the machines are, even the Dice rolls for the Monopoly board could be a replay of a video and not a live roll.
That's why I start this topic, I want to know if the people of the community trust in those games.
When the fairness of the results become questionable the direct answer to such game should be no. But in reality players are trusting the sites which provides live room so they go for bets means they also have its place in the gambling world so it all depends on the players experience, if they are winning they won't blame anything or else they will move out of it just like any other gambling sites.
reminds me of the online bingo in the Philippines which the numbers are air-mix drawn. it's sort of fair when it's done that way but some are still suspecting the weight of the tennis balls. which in this monopoly game are they suspecting to be unfair?
At least that was done in real LIVE as I believe they are syncing properly with their followers. It means they can also read the updated feeds and even respond to their viewers. It's different to live casinos where there's no interaction of the host to their followers if a live chat is there.
Now, the player just need to pray or get lucky moment they are playing during the section provider give the player winning with a good payout.
Yes, that's the only way if the gambler can hit that win at the same time it was drawn.
There are gamblers who seem to enjoy that game that's why it was widely being played.
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License is nothing mate ~XD.Yes, Indeed even the game is being rigged people still playing. The reason is simple, because the game can be controlled they can manage how much money player losing with the total payout/days. So, they just can make the game have more lose comparing the payout they're made.
Now, the player just need to pray or get lucky moment they are playing during the section provider give the player winning with a good payout.
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There has been some technical issues on their game and exposed how the game is rigged, is being runner by motor. The issue is keep spinning never stop on anything, so is actually can be controlled.
^ Definitely right, they had auditors but when there is no one of auditors personal it can be controlled by them of which they wanted to have a result that has a small bet. Anything that does not have able to verify the game fairness should not be trusted, a machine that can be controlled or any spinning whales that possible can be controlled should always not be trusted. There has been some technical issues on their game and exposed how the game is rigged, is being runner by motor. The issue is keep spinning never stop on anything, so is actually can be controlled.
But there are some gamblers who still trust this kind of game, probably they enjoyed on the game not exactly it will work.
Two thigns here.
This its completely true. The maths are facts.
But the case its the OP started the thread because asides of the maths they can be manipulated the game for a lot more return.
My response its totally yes. I think they have all the data to see and calculated in the moment if they win or lose so much money and regulated.
For the license, that its for me a joke, do you really think a country like Malta, Curacao etc. Really have people controling the license owners? Its simple they are small states and they grab the money and say yes.
Besides that if one license really control a gameprovider when they go for a research they simply show in that moment the normal game working (with the normal maths said above in the first point). And when this people gone put again his "tricks".
I know a lot of you maybe say to me "no man this cant be done" but im from a country wheres this happen, when the auditors arrives, shows the cleans one and not the real.
The games give the House an obvious advantage over the players, because they have the odds in their favor. Crazy Time Odds =
38.88% chance of stopping on 1 (21 segments) 24.07% chance of stopping on 2 (13 segments) 12.96% chance of stopping on 5 (7 segments) = Source https://casinogrounds.com/casino-games/crazy-time/
You can actually track the history of the bets here ==> https://casinoscores.com/crazy-time/ and get expected frequencies for numbers to be spun.
The old saying is... "The House always Win" and that is why they use the odds to their benefit, when they design these games.
38.88% chance of stopping on 1 (21 segments) 24.07% chance of stopping on 2 (13 segments) 12.96% chance of stopping on 5 (7 segments) = Source https://casinogrounds.com/casino-games/crazy-time/
You can actually track the history of the bets here ==> https://casinoscores.com/crazy-time/ and get expected frequencies for numbers to be spun.
The old saying is... "The House always Win" and that is why they use the odds to their benefit, when they design these games.
This its completely true. The maths are facts.
But the case its the OP started the thread because asides of the maths they can be manipulated the game for a lot more return.
My response its totally yes. I think they have all the data to see and calculated in the moment if they win or lose so much money and regulated.
For the license, that its for me a joke, do you really think a country like Malta, Curacao etc. Really have people controling the license owners? Its simple they are small states and they grab the money and say yes.
Besides that if one license really control a gameprovider when they go for a research they simply show in that moment the normal game working (with the normal maths said above in the first point). And when this people gone put again his "tricks".
I know a lot of you maybe say to me "no man this cant be done" but im from a country wheres this happen, when the auditors arrives, shows the cleans one and not the real.
There's no really guarantee that these games are under provably fair. Theres a chance that the video you see on the screen is recorded beforehand. It's really hard to tell because nowadays, technology is at its peak and anyone can do almost everything possible with the help of technology and applications. But if someone here is interested in these kinds of games, then I suggest that you check the provider they are under to. If that provider happens to be reputable and trusted one, then you could take your shot to bet, but still do it at your own risk. If you don't want to be paranoid and be in constant doubt that you are being cheated on by the house, then just drop and let it go. Peace of mind is still of importance after all. You could still find other things that could give you the same satisfaction with live betting. If you insist, just always be on your guard and just bet what you can manage to lose without a heavy heart.
I've never played these games so I don't fully understand the mechanics. Tell me, is the broadcast of the rotation of the wheel going to all players or is it an individual game? It seems to me that this should be for everyone, since it is unprofitable to organize a game for one gambler. And this means that the honesty of the rotation can be checked by looking at the process from different accounts.
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