CrazyTime and Monopoly, should we trust? - page 6.

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Quote from: Tumanggor on February 14, 2022, 11:56:55 AM

Quote from: chaser15 on February 13, 2022, 06:19:57 PM

I also questioned the fairness of these games. I can't imagine that somewhere part in the world, there's really a live studio hosting these games. Even it was a part of the popular gambling site, I don't trust these games even for a purpose of entertainment.

Not just Monopoly or games similar to it but for other live casinos as well.

Live Casinos is not in my vocabulary to play with.

I'm also like you, I'm not so sure about the 'fair' of live games, that's why I never want to try to play in this kind of game

I am more confident and comfortable with sports betting, casino or crash games

Your general view of live games seems negative which I highly understand especially on this kind of wheel games. But if you are a real player of Live games and not just a bystanders giving comment, You will knew that host of the game show usually speaks by the time they are spinning the wheel and they are actually interacting in the live chat while wheel keeps spinning.

If the OP theory was true about playing recorded video for the result, then there's no way the host can answer the live comments while showing the actual wheel result. They have a 2 camera perspective which shows the close of the wheel and zoom out with the host & wheel angle.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on February 14, 2022, 10:54:43 AM

That's what I mean, and I would like to share another example of unacceptable risk.

Here is a video about a mistake they made and how people lose their money by a fail on their dice machine.

I can't watch the video currently, but without even looking I can almost guarantee they've got it written into their terms, and conditions that they aren't liable for loss of funds through unintentional bugs. That's usually the norm with reputable companies, let alone this one. I wouldn't use it, and I'd recommend others not to either.

In fact, I bet they don't even have the rights to be using the brand Monopoly.

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Quote from: Welsh on February 14, 2022, 09:40:06 AM

Quote from: Cryptock on February 14, 2022, 09:20:23 AM

Risk is a fundamental thing related to gambling. Of course, it is best to try to reduce the risk as much as possible, but we simply cannot check many things and, unfortunately, we often have to rely on the opinions of others. In this case, the best source of opinion may be an external audit and I am afraid that better verification will not be found.

There's a difference between a unknown risk, and a known risk. For example, if you bet on a sports team to win a match, you know there's three different outcomes, they win, they draw or they lose. There aren't any other outcomes, and you know this as a matter of fact.

However, as you suggested blindly trusting companies because there is a element of risk to gambling, unknown risks fall into the category of not knowing whether something is legit or not. This, when it can be proven isn't acceptable. Every gambling company that could implement a provably fair system, should. End of argument, since this should be factored into their costs when opening that game. Therefore, this should be done for every new instance of a game. In fact, I think the gambling commissions should be taking a look at this, and only approving licenses if every game they offer that should, and could be provably fair. I'd say it's in their best interests to vet services for provably fair systems.

So, while you're partially correct that there's an element of risk associated with gambling, hence the definition of gambling, these two examples given aren't the same risk. One is acceptable, and the other isn't or at the very least shouldn't be.

There was no better way to explain it! Cool

Of course, this is a very big difference and in my opinion it should also be regulated top-down so that institutions which issue licenses, give them only to casinos that have provably fair games. Only in this way we would be sure that the risk is only related to our decision, and not something that cannot really be checked.

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Quote from: chaser15 on February 13, 2022, 06:19:57 PM

I also questioned the fairness of these games. I can't imagine that somewhere part in the world, there's really a live studio hosting these games. Even it was a part of the popular gambling site, I don't trust these games even for a purpose of entertainment.

Not just Monopoly or games similar to it but for other live casinos as well.

Live Casinos is not in my vocabulary to play with.

I'm also like you, I'm not so sure about the 'fair' of live games, that's why I never want to try to play in this kind of game

I am more confident and comfortable with sports betting, casino or crash games

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Quote from: Boristhecat on February 14, 2022, 11:28:03 AM

Quote from: chaser15 on February 13, 2022, 06:19:57 PM

I also questioned the fairness of these games. I can't imagine that somewhere part in the world, there's really a live studio hosting these games. Even it was a part of the popular gambling site, I don't trust these games even for a purpose of entertainment.

Not just Monopoly or games similar to it but for other live casinos as well.

Live Casinos is not in my vocabulary to play with.

I have the same feelings about these games and therefore I have never played them. But logically, if these games were dishonest, then sooner or later their organizers would be caught on something (or there would be a leak of information about how everything really works) and the organizers of such games would lose their reputation. But I don't think I've heard of any such investigations or scandals.

No one yet surfaces out of dismay for losing thousands in the game. The monopoly game I use to play was is a board game, not this kind. But yes if it has auditors I guess they all could conspire players in thier favor by rigging the devices.

Hard to prove fairness, I even suspect the live cam casinos are arranging those decks of cards already before they distribute to the players. I don't buy it when there is no cheating. The house will hate the game if that is the case.

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Quote from: chaser15 on February 13, 2022, 06:19:57 PM

I also questioned the fairness of these games. I can't imagine that somewhere part in the world, there's really a live studio hosting these games. Even it was a part of the popular gambling site, I don't trust these games even for a purpose of entertainment.

Not just Monopoly or games similar to it but for other live casinos as well.

Live Casinos is not in my vocabulary to play with.

I have the same feelings about these games and therefore I have never played them. But logically, if these games were dishonest, then sooner or later their organizers would be caught on something (or there would be a leak of information about how everything really works) and the organizers of such games would lose their reputation. But I don't think I've heard of any such investigations or scandals.

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Quote from: uneng on February 13, 2022, 07:05:46 PM

I don't put my hand into the fire for this kind of game, but I see they are really popular. In my country there are similar games of this kind, part of an important national TV channel's grade which gives lots of prizes weekly to people who purchase the tickets and sign a monthly "membership". And that is true there is no way to know for sure if the results are legit, especially because it's part of a TV show, but people really don't seem to care about it. They still put their money on this kind of thing, although we know cryptocurrency casinos are much more trustful and accurated on its results.

It really doesn't make sense why these gamblers don't adopt cryptocurrency to ensure they will be putting their money into provably fair games.

I know monopoly is well known game and i think this is where the monopoly gambling came from but I don't know about crazy time. It can be popular on some other countries but not on my place since I don't see this in my local channels. People play the game because they are popular and the issuer of the game and the casino where it runs is also trusted, that is why they do not doubt of its reputation.

I do not questions these type of games because they are simply not my taste to play but I am more into the classic games e.g dice, bj, but not their live versions. You cannot force them to adopt crypto because what if they do not know how to use it?

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Quote from: Welsh on February 14, 2022, 09:40:06 AM

... these two examples given aren't the same risk. One is acceptable, and the other isn't or at the very least shouldn't be.

That's what I mean, and I would like to share another example of unacceptable risk.

Here is a video about a mistake they made and how people lose their money by a fail on their dice machine.

The users get the resolution after 20 minutes: 'The game has been canceled. Please wait for the next game.'

At that moment some users stop betting, but the next roll was another '4 Rolls' with a huge win of x152. It was a great win but that doesn't change the fact that the previous bet was canceled and a lot of people lost their profit.

Source: https://youtu.be/EQIez6Pogac?t=130

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I don't trust the game 100% because the game could manipulate. But if you just want to have fun, you can try it because that game looks like a very interesting game to play. I still prefer to play the usual gambling games and although the games can also be rigged, I don't care because I just want to have fun and don't expect too much from gambling games.

Maybe some people are really lucky to get the jackpot from that game but I don't know. It's better to play your usual game so that you can enjoy it more than thinking about how to get a lot of money from gambling games.

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Quote from: Cryptock on February 14, 2022, 09:20:23 AM

Risk is a fundamental thing related to gambling. Of course, it is best to try to reduce the risk as much as possible, but we simply cannot check many things and, unfortunately, we often have to rely on the opinions of others. In this case, the best source of opinion may be an external audit and I am afraid that better verification will not be found.

There's a difference between a unknown risk, and a known risk. For example, if you bet on a sports team to win a match, you know there's three different outcomes, they win, they draw or they lose. There aren't any other outcomes, and you know this as a matter of fact.

However, as you suggested blindly trusting companies because there is a element of risk to gambling, unknown risks fall into the category of not knowing whether something is legit or not. This, when it can be proven isn't acceptable. Every gambling company that could implement a provably fair system, should. End of argument, since this should be factored into their costs when opening that game. Therefore, this should be done for every new instance of a game. In fact, I think the gambling commissions should be taking a look at this, and only approving licenses if every game they offer that should, and could be provably fair. I'd say it's in their best interests to vet services for provably fair systems.

So, while you're partially correct that there's an element of risk associated with gambling, hence the definition of gambling, these two examples given aren't the same risk. One is acceptable, and the other isn't or at the very least shouldn't be.

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Quote from: Alisha-k on February 14, 2022, 09:12:40 AM

Quote from: coolcoinz on February 13, 2022, 11:32:48 AM

For me it's all about the results. If I got really drawn to these games, I'd keep playing regardless of trust that I have towards the people who run these or audit them. You can always test these by playing with small money and stick with it if it keeps going your way. From my experience most people choose the games they like and the games they have results in before they do their research about the site that runs them and all other small details. That's why lottery tickets are so popular despite very low chance to win and the government taxing the shit out of big winners.

But this manipulations could be frustrating atimes regardless if one considers this most casinos would lose clients. playing regardless of trust just keeps one going afterall gambling generally involves risk so keeping the risk minimal is just one approach to stay far from been heart broken

Risk is a fundamental thing related to gambling. Of course, it is best to try to reduce the risk as much as possible, but we simply cannot check many things and, unfortunately, we often have to rely on the opinions of others. In this case, the best source of opinion may be an external audit and I am afraid that better verification will not be found.

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Quote from: coolcoinz on February 13, 2022, 11:32:48 AM

For me it's all about the results. If I got really drawn to these games, I'd keep playing regardless of trust that I have towards the people who run these or audit them. You can always test these by playing with small money and stick with it if it keeps going your way. From my experience most people choose the games they like and the games they have results in before they do their research about the site that runs them and all other small details. That's why lottery tickets are so popular despite very low chance to win and the government taxing the shit out of big winners.

But this manipulations could be frustrating atimes regardless if one considers this most casinos would lose clients. playing regardless of trust just keeps one going afterall gambling generally involves risk so keeping the risk minimal is just one approach to stay far from been heart broken

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Quote from: chaser15 on February 13, 2022, 06:19:57 PM

I also questioned the fairness of these games. I can't imagine that somewhere part in the world, there's really a live studio hosting these games. Even it was a part of the popular gambling site, I don't trust these games even for a purpose of entertainment.

Not just Monopoly or games similar to it but for other live casinos as well.

Live Casinos is not in my vocabulary to play with.

I understand your approach to live casinos and your doubts. However, if you do not believe these games are fair, on what basis do you believe any other casino games are fair?
I also understand that there can always be doubts, but if a casino is licensed and is checked by external audits, the risk of cheating is extremely small.

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Gambling license usually do on audit even on there live videos. Audit will surely determine if they are using a replay video since live video is there main product and watching it is the only way to audit it. There's no point for them to rig the game since the chance of hitting huge win numbers and special games is very low versus the amount of choices player can bet. Probability wise will always be in favor to the house so why they will risk there license to operate for rigging a game that they have an advantage to the player.

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Not going to lie, when I initially read the title, I thought someone actually incorporated the Monopoly game into gambling, which would have definitely piqued my interest, as I quite like a game of Monopoly from time to time.

Quote from: seoincorporation on February 13, 2022, 10:48:26 AM

I know they run under a gambling license, but we don't know how rigged the machines are, even the Dice rolls for the Monopoly board could be a replay of a video and not a live roll.

Yeah, having a gambling license or being a registered company doesn't automatically mean they're trustworthy or legitimate in how they deploy their games. The only way that's acceptable is being provably fair, and any gambling website worth their weight, will spend the extra money in implementing this, because they know they'll get extra customers from it, as well as solidify their reputation.

Quote from: ipanks on February 14, 2022, 05:34:27 AM

I am not sure if they are provably fair, as that is gambling and we know that everything can happen in the middle of the games. But if even they are not provably fair, that will not be a problem for me since I do not spend too much money to gamble. But I still prefer to play as usual but maybe I will play live games. I do not play gambling too much and do not intend to play gambling, whether playing live games or other gambling games. But that case can be our lesson to knowing how to manage our money so if they really trick their user by not provably fair, our losses are not too big.

Any game which is online, and doesn't have a clear logic behind the house edge or fairness, should be provably fair. I'm personally not into slots, and mini games like this, as I prefer sports betting, but I would absolutely not use anything that doesn't prove that behind the scenes nothing untoward is going on.

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I haven't tried the monopoly game but it looks same as live roulette ,can't guarantee it's fair or not because I wasn't there in ,just relying on the internet and platforms ! honestly don't believe it (in my heart) but it's a little fun if win ,even though there are many chances of losing because could be braked using a magnet or something "I'm in neutral on trust"

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Quote from: seoincorporation on February 13, 2022, 10:48:26 AM

Live games are really entertaining, is like watching TV while we pace bets. But they are not probably fair, and there are a lot of videos on youtube that show how the rolls are manipulated. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu7400hUA3A)

I know they run under a gambling license, but we don't know how rigged the machines are, even the Dice rolls for the Monopoly board could be a replay of a video and not a live roll.

That's why I start this topic, I want to know if the people of the community trust in those games.

There's no solid evidence that they are using brakes to pick the number of their choice, but it's speculated that they are using a brake or magnet to pick the number that they want to win, the Youtube videos that you posted is not a piece of solid evidence but I don't trust this kind of game because there's no way we can guaranty that there are not using these devices unless we have one regulatory representative presence but even if there is one, there's a possibility that it can be manipulated.

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Quote from: ralle14 on February 13, 2022, 11:28:45 PM

Knowing they're in operation for quite some time I think they can be somewhat trusted but on the other hand, it'd be interesting to see someone try and record these live sessions and see the actual numbers.

I enjoy playing live casino games but not these two I always prefer card games since the experience is slightly enjoyable and sometimes engaging compared to the regular card games plus they have different variants of the game.

Entertainment is to each of their own, I mean what's the point of individuality when you're not allowed to like what you want right, I do like live card games too. I think that we should look for reviews of these companies to make sure that they can be trusted, it's not everytime that we should trust the longevity of a company or a website, everyone can get worse overtime.

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I am not sure if they are provably fair, as that is gambling and we know that everything can happen in the middle of the games. But if even they are not provably fair, that will not be a problem for me since I do not spend too much money to gamble. But I still prefer to play as usual but maybe I will play live games. I do not play gambling too much and do not intend to play gambling, whether playing live games or other gambling games. But that case can be our lesson to knowing how to manage our money so if they really trick their user by not provably fair, our losses are not too big.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on February 13, 2022, 10:48:26 AM

That's why I start this topic, I want to know if the people of the community trust in those games.

All types of gambling games are aggressive, sometimes you can get lucky and sometimes you can disappear that's gambling, if you talk about trust, of course for me the answer is no.

For that this is where the question arises 'what is your goal in gambling' my answer is for fun, no matter slot games, Monopoly, Roulette, Back, Sports and so on.

You are talking about a direct Monopoly game, of course the game is a bit of fun with a paid offer of x $ $ if you are lucky, whose name is a game of course there is a loss and a win, Honestly if I want to have fun in Monopoly games, I never place a lot of bets, the minimum I take, for example as below.

One, two, three X rounds unlucky I go, if lucky I try a few times, it's my pleasure.

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