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Topic: CrazyTime and Monopoly, should we trust? - page 3. (Read 857 times)

legendary
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February 19, 2022, 05:33:14 AM
#91
I tried these two games a few times... and I didn't win or lose anything big! But I saw some people betting crazy and winning insanely high prizes when they hit this special x2 x3 and x4 numbers... I didn't have the luck to hit that, to be honest, I didn't play it long enough probably! These kinds of games are not so interesting to me, I don't have the problems with trusting them, it's gambling, after all, we can win or lose any time, it's just that some other games are more attractive to me!
hero member
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February 19, 2022, 03:23:19 AM
#90
I know they run under a gambling license, but we don't know how rigged the machines are, even the Dice rolls for the Monopoly board could be a replay of a video and not a live roll.

That's why I start this topic, I want to know if the people of the community trust in those games.
Usually these live games are audited by a third party company, so the reliability of these games is directly related to who the auditors are, as they have a reputation to uphold, and reputation is the most valuable asset for these auditing companies.

But directly answering your question: NO, I don't trust and I don't like to bet on these games.
Even if that's the case, I think there will still be cheating, I think, but of course in a more subtle way because this kind of thing carries a greater risk, I think, compared to other gambling, even though this is live, but in some cases there is cheating there.
I did what you did because I also don't really like this game and even only tried this game a few times because I think the losses will be more than the advantages when playing there
Although we believe there is cheating in this game, we can't prove it easily because they will definitely cover up the cheating and still pretend that their system is fair. If that's the case, we don't have to try to play that gambling game because we have many other types of gambling games that we think are fair games so we think differently. Playing gambling really requires calm to be able to enjoy the game so if you keep thinking there is cheating in the game, you definitely won't be able to enjoy the game.
hero member
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February 19, 2022, 02:53:50 AM
#89
Even if that's the case, I think there will still be cheating, I think, but of course in a more subtle way because this kind of thing carries a greater risk, I think, compared to other gambling, even though this is live, but in some cases there is cheating there.
I did what you did because I also don't really like this game and even only tried this game a few times because I think the losses will be more than the advantages when playing there
That was rather confusing but point is, cheating would still happen? Do you even know what auditors are lmao. They're usually the middle man in between providing fairness from the casino to the user, and them doing their jobs for these types of cases is very important. It wouldn't necessarily be the casino only that would be affected, but also the auditor that was responsible when the event happened. Wouldn't be impossible though for cheating to happen, not because it's "subtle" but rather both the auditor and the casino are in it.
hero member
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February 19, 2022, 01:15:33 AM
#88
Reviews are mostly not the best approach to lean on a betting platform, I have seen people here get paid for reviews and since money may be involved, they will likely ignore the bad sides of the casino and make a positive review to attract more people, it happens by most YouTubers when they do reviews for these casinos, instead of making it looks neutral, they instead do it with hope to bring more customers.

Ofcourse there are people who get paid to post good reviews which is exactly why we should not trust casinos which are relatively new in the short term.
We can put a little trust on those which are in the community for a long term since it is hard to pay for fake reviews on a long term.
Talking specifically about this forum, although there are campaigns for reviews about casinos there are many people who post honest reviews.
Whether it be good or bad they do post honest reviews but again the amount of such people are very low.
legendary
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February 18, 2022, 06:59:55 PM
#87
Even if that's the case, I think there will still be cheating, I think, but of course in a more subtle way because this kind of thing carries a greater risk, I think, compared to other gambling, even though this is live, but in some cases there is cheating there.
I did what you did because I also don't really like this game and even only tried this game a few times because I think the losses will be more than the advantages when playing there

If you think like that, then fine but don't consider it as the real thing happening in most of the cases. We are just all speculating and guessing here if those live feeds are really live. These gambling sites won't risk their reputation for that "cheating".

If you don't believe in those, a simple act of staying away is enough not to support those games.

Have fun at your preferred gambling type/s.
member
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February 18, 2022, 03:10:53 PM
#86
I know they run under a gambling license, but we don't know how rigged the machines are, even the Dice rolls for the Monopoly board could be a replay of a video and not a live roll.

That's why I start this topic, I want to know if the people of the community trust in those games.
Usually these live games are audited by a third party company, so the reliability of these games is directly related to who the auditors are, as they have a reputation to uphold, and reputation is the most valuable asset for these auditing companies.

But directly answering your question: NO, I don't trust and I don't like to bet on these games.
Even if that's the case, I think there will still be cheating, I think, but of course in a more subtle way because this kind of thing carries a greater risk, I think, compared to other gambling, even though this is live, but in some cases there is cheating there.
I did what you did because I also don't really like this game and even only tried this game a few times because I think the losses will be more than the advantages when playing there
legendary
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February 18, 2022, 02:59:10 PM
#85
For me, I see this game of Monopoly and CrazyTime as the possibility of winning at slots, normally I have come across this type of game a few times, but evaluating it for months, a game project was going to launch it as an NFT game, I don't know if it was patented under the same scheme as the traditional game or not, but when we evaluate that the slots have the Provably Fair system and this one doesn't, by manipulating the seed I don't know if it could worsen the configuration to win or maybe they integrate it with a different type of system like that of traditional casinos that applied to roulette.
legendary
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February 18, 2022, 01:36:35 PM
#84
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Reviews are mostly not the best approach to lean on a betting platform, I have seen people here get paid for reviews and since money may be involved, they will likely ignore the bad sides of the casino and make a positive review to attract more people, it happens by most YouTubers when they do reviews for these casinos, instead of making it looks neutral, they instead do it with hope to bring more customers.

This is true, some of the promotion is with fake bets, a good example of this is the user Xposed who have a deal with a casino and he always shows some crazy max wins.

In the next video, we see how he ben $438 on x1600,  the profit should be $700800 but he gets $500,438. I guess half a million is the max win.

https://youtu.be/D4ZaPDdVV2I?t=628
legendary
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February 18, 2022, 12:50:04 PM
#83
^

As I expected, most gamblers do not trust this kind of games and this is not surprising because the algorithm of such a wheel is impossible to check and it carries additional risks for the player. In addition, the leading that spins the wheel must be paid and the payment comes out of the players' pockets. That is why the chances that you will lose are always higher.
I am pleasantly surprised by this as well, I know there are some people out there that like these kind of games, but at least in this market unlike with what happens with fiat we do not really trust the other party and instead we like to verify the results that we are given, casinos with a good reputation have gained said reputation by offering their customers the best service possible, and in this we can include a way to verify your bets, something that is not possible with live games.
hero member
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February 18, 2022, 05:08:19 AM
#82
So far on the poll, people here do not trust this game

Yes   - 4 (28.6%)
No   - 10 (71.4%)
Total Voters: 14


I also voted no the house has a big chance to win the game and he can easily manipulate the game by using devices, honestly, I have not played this kind of game because the chances are in favor of the house based on a calculation I prefer playing in a game where I can check the fairness of the game.

Yes   - 5 (26.3%)
No   - 14 (73.7%)
Total Voters: 19

The number of comments is more than the votes and the current result is slightly different from yours. I voted NO, the game looks like a dummy and unserious, I wouldn't trust this kind of game with my money.


Getting reviews of a casino is a good way to get a basic judgement of casino but we cannot determine if it will remain the same in future.
Things are different if the casino has a long term good reputation, in that case we can have good trust on them.
But if a casino has good reviews only for the short term then it still comes under the risky category.
We have seen cases where scamsters initially build trust by giving good services and then scam their users out of nowhere.

Reviews are mostly not the best approach to lean on a betting platform, I have seen people here get paid for reviews and since money may be involved, they will likely ignore the bad sides of the casino and make a positive review to attract more people, it happens by most YouTubers when they do reviews for these casinos, instead of making it looks neutral, they instead do it with hope to bring more customers.
hero member
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Nothing lasts forever
February 17, 2022, 09:52:54 AM
#81
It's hard to trust such live casinos because we don't know what's happening in the backend.
We can never tell how corrupt the people can be. May be the casinos would have paid enough to the authorities to let them manipulate the rolls.
This is why I prefer online gambling which has a provably fair system so that everyone can verify that their rolls are in fact genuine.

In this case it is good to have a review about what the casino did in the starting of their business because some may done badly to customer and have had negative review but at another time they have good review again because they have changed. Trust and confidence in a casino is sure a need that players want to see in other players.

Getting reviews of a casino is a good way to get a basic judgement of casino but we cannot determine if it will remain the same in future.
Things are different if the casino has a long term good reputation, in that case we can have good trust on them.
But if a casino has good reviews only for the short term then it still comes under the risky category.
We have seen cases where scamsters initially build trust by giving good services and then scam their users out of nowhere.
legendary
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February 17, 2022, 09:37:49 AM
#80
^

As I expected, most gamblers do not trust this kind of games and this is not surprising because the algorithm of such a wheel is impossible to check and it carries additional risks for the player. In addition, the leading that spins the wheel must be paid and the payment comes out of the players' pockets. That is why the chances that you will lose are always higher.
full member
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February 17, 2022, 09:22:15 AM
#79
^

I don't trust such games either and I think that the probability of players being cheated is quite high. Of course I have no reliable proof of these words, but in my opinion it is very similar to the TV show "shopping on TV" in which people thanks to advertising and supposedly huge discounts buy cheap and unnecessary things at triple the price.

I couldn't trust this game either and the scary part is, it could easily be manipulated. People are now being too skeptical and most of us know what to trust and what to avoid. I would still prefer traditional yet trusted games though there's nothing wrong in trying new games. It's just that the fairness of the game is important.
legendary
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February 17, 2022, 09:17:44 AM
#78
-snip-
- Jurisdiction
- Cost money
- You don't know about the provider.

Other reasons, but most of them are because of this issue why people don't want to report the case of manipulation games. Also, license provider who provider for the gambling is not doing anything.

They just only release the online license, take money and that's it.

I did not understand how at least one of the points answers my question. Mathematics works the same in any jurisdiction, and if it makes a profit, then why cheat? Similarly with the remaining two points - why complicate the scheme if the casino wins anyway? This happens regardless of the value of money and whether the game provider is used or not.
hero member
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February 17, 2022, 06:23:53 AM
#77
Until now, there's no one could able to prove it out and thats the reason why they are still on business,right?
While people are trying to prove it, the casino will still profit from the players. People who try to prove it will find it difficult because the casino can hide cheating. We can just try to enjoy the game while we still want to keep playing and try to stop as soon as possible before things change drastically. Maybe we can win in one or two rounds, but there is no guarantee we will still win in the next round. So, believe it or not, it will come back to each person.
hero member
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February 17, 2022, 05:23:39 AM
#76
I don't know for sure because it could have been manipulated by the casino secretly and it's likely that they will give people wins so they will keep playing and in the end, they will lose.
I saw in the video that person was lucky to win some money from that game.
I just hope that the gambler can quit that game and get his money before he suffers a loss.
If he could stop in time, maybe he could enjoy his victory.
I think in most cases they manipulate the game and they will choose if who will make them win based on the players bet or that player has a special connection with them. There are live games like this before. They do that so that they wont lose or they only lose lesser than if they will run the game fairly.

Even though they are not fair, they are doing their best to make game the look like it was fair but i think some people already know their secret because they are also leaked videos on the web where you can see their tactics. Good point of the op for bringing this up, this can be a warning to other gamblers that are new to this and are on their way to try the game.
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February 16, 2022, 06:59:15 PM
#75
-snip-
Motor, brake, electromagnetic what every you are calling.

In youtube already have some video, the wheels is not stopped and keep spinning. It's already one of the proof that can be easy to manipulated, and yes the person who spins the wheel does not control the outcome.

There has some other person/team behind the monitor who controls the outcome ~XD

I agree that could be people behind it that can control the wheel the person that spin the wheel cannot do that but he must make it appear that the spin and the results are natural, I trust dice or crash game that this Monopoly game, I have this feeling that everything is staged so they can make it appear natural to avoid the misconception that it's rigged.
We couldnt really trust it up 100% even if they would try to show about fairness or something that prove out that it isnt staged but we couldnt be sure on whats happening behind the camera

this is why i dont really blame out people on having some doubts.Is there something that we can do? Lets just embrace the reality and for those people who dont
like this way then there are lots of options that they could choose in the market.
Until now, there's no one could able to prove it out and thats the reason why they are still on business,right?
hero member
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February 16, 2022, 04:34:03 PM
#74
-snip-
Motor, brake, electromagnetic what every you are calling.

In youtube already have some video, the wheels is not stopped and keep spinning. It's already one of the proof that can be easy to manipulated, and yes the person who spins the wheel does not control the outcome.

There has some other person/team behind the monitor who controls the outcome ~XD

I agree that could be people behind it that can control the wheel the person that spin the wheel cannot do that but he must make it appear that the spin and the results are natural, I trust dice or crash game that this Monopoly game, I have this feeling that everything is staged so they can make it appear natural to avoid the misconception that it's rigged.
We couldnt really trust it up 100% even if they would try to show about fairness or something that prove out that it isnt staged but we couldnt be sure on whats happening behind the camera

this is why i dont really blame out people on having some doubts.Is there something that we can do? Lets just embrace the reality and for those people who dont
like this way then there are lots of options that they could choose in the market.
legendary
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February 16, 2022, 04:26:49 PM
#73
-snip-
If take that from RTP situation. ~XD

But people thinking the wheels is naturally spinning energy without a machine or brake, well can't talk to much anymore about these. People already know is manipulated, do everyone who playing wheels game from Evoluation is legit. Grin

The only things people do is, praying they are play at the time casino give some win to player side during they're playing. Grin I also one of the stupid person, I know is manipulated but still playing the game ~XD

My highest multiplier only 100x in Pachinko Games.
legendary
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February 16, 2022, 04:14:28 PM
#72
honestly, I have not played this kind of game because the chances are in favor of the house based on a calculation

For the sake of love, please point me to a game in casino that is favouring the players. I bet you cant because the RTP will always be lower than 100% theoretically. Its about time for people to realize that gambling site is a business designed to favour the site and not the players

In youtube already have some video, the wheels is not stopped and keep spinning. It's already one of the proof that can be easy to manipulated, and yes the person who spins the wheel does not control the outcome

Of course it is 'manipulated' in some ways to balance out the RTP otherwise the game might ended up to keep on paying because some of the game host could be getting pretty lucky with their spins or could be secretly trying to make the players win by trying to manipulate the wheel with their spins which is why the wheel is 'controlled' to avoid those thing to happen but as long as it stays on average of the advertised RTP of the game then it is not really a manipulation though
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