CrazyTime and Monopoly, should we trust? - page 5.

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Quote from: michellee on February 15, 2022, 12:05:15 AM

If they rigged the machine, how do we know for sure?

If you search on youtube.

There has been some technical issues on their game and exposed how the game is rigged, is being runner by motor. The issue is keep spinning never stop on anything, so is actually can be controlled.
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Fun fact about these, even we all know they are rigged, people still play the game ~XD they want chasing season while the casino on section gives the player win ~XD.

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Quote from: michellee on February 15, 2022, 12:05:15 AM

If they rigged the machine, how do we know for sure? So it is better to enjoy the game and see how good our luck and who knows, we can win some prizes. No need to think about many things that we do not know.

This is the main point. Maybe some people feel that the game is rigged when they get continuous loses but they cant prove it. Even if the game is provably fair, there are still many people think that the game is rigged when they get busted. I've played CrazyTime once, tried it several rounds but I cant enjoy the game.

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Quote from: uneng on February 13, 2022, 07:05:46 PM

I don't put my hand into the fire for this kind of game, but I see they are really popular. In my country there are similar games of this kind, part of an important national TV channel's grade which gives lots of prizes weekly to people who purchase the tickets and sign a monthly "membership". And that is true there is no way to know for sure if the results are legit, especially because it's part of a TV show, but people really don't seem to care about it. They still put their money on this kind of thing, although we know cryptocurrency casinos are much more trustful and accurated on its results.

It really doesn't make sense why these gamblers don't adopt cryptocurrency to ensure they will be putting their money into provably fair games.

This is important information, I have never gambled in a game like that but I always assumed that they were kind of niche games that were not really popular, to think that there are certain countries in which they are so popular is incredible, after all monopoly is probably one of the most common board games around the world to the point a great deal of people probably have it at their homes right now, so I do not see why people are attracted to it when they can play the game at home for free.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on February 13, 2022, 10:48:26 AM

Live games are really entertaining, is like watching TV while we pace bets. But they are not probably fair, and there are a lot of videos on youtube that show how the rolls are manipulated. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu7400hUA3A)

I know they run under a gambling license, but we don't know how rigged the machines are, even the Dice rolls for the Monopoly board could be a replay of a video and not a live roll.

That's why I start this topic, I want to know if the people of the community trust in those games.

It's best if you consider these as somewhat similar to a roulette board, they will be carefully engineered to mathematically give the house an advantage and probably build in a pretty solid margin of safety for the casino. Nobody can really tell what is going on behind the scenes even though the selling point is the fact it is a "live" game, that gives an illusion of safety - but as you say there are many ways that they can and most likely are rigged. There could be weights placed or activated strategically if the house is not winning and it could all be automated, even the person attending the wheel may have no idea - they are only there to act as entertainment and talk.

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...and good!! that they are "live" does not indicate anything that goes beyond the traditional the house always wins, here the seed is the look at the beginning and the look at the end, literally.

The fact that for example you are in a live casino does not indicate anything, there is always manipulation even in P2P, marked cards, so the decks are not changed in the required time, a dealer who sees a frequent player and how he leaves good tips , there are preferences and depending on the game this adds up, but at the end of the result an unsuspecting player only sees the initial bet and the result of it.

Crypto online games with provably fair, have made the "most reliable" casino online from that basic perspective, to make a bet and see the result.

Anyway people keep betting, the reason, the result is what matters and they trust that because there are people who are always winning.

Crazy time and Monopoly are quite visually entertaining games and combine that "magic" of digital and live gaming, because many associated digital visual events take place; In any case, all casinos have the same live games (or not) all that remains is to have fun and hope if "seeing" the final result supports you in winning.

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One cannot see and cannot control the live games the way a normal game night have been written in software and therefore at the end of the day I do think the question should be more focused on if you would trust the site that you are playing the game on. There are so many sites out there which have reputation on boards and therefore it's way easy to loose those things than actually go forth and do something stupid, I myself do not like playing live games because of the possible result manipulation but if there is someone who is very interested in those then they should actually choose sites which are good and reputable and not randomly playing on them anywhere.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on February 13, 2022, 10:48:26 AM

Live games are really entertaining, is like watching TV while we pace bets. But they are not probably fair, and there are a lot of videos on youtube that show how the rolls are manipulated. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu7400hUA3A)

I know they run under a gambling license, but we don't know how rigged the machines are, even the Dice rolls for the Monopoly board could be a replay of a video and not a live roll.

That's why I start this topic, I want to know if the people of the community trust in those games.

There's no really guarantee that these games are under provably fair. Theres a chance that the video you see on the screen is recorded beforehand. It's really hard to tell because nowadays, technology is at its peak and anyone can do almost everything possible with the help of technology and applications. But if someone here is interested in these kinds of games, then I suggest that you check the provider they are under to. If that provider happens to be reputable and trusted one, then you could take your shot to bet, but still do it at your own risk. If you don't want to be paranoid and be in constant doubt that you are being cheated on by the house, then just drop and let it go. Peace of mind is still of importance after all. You could still find other things that could give you the same satisfaction with live betting. If you insist, just always be on your guard and just bet what you can manage to lose without a heavy heart.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on February 15, 2022, 01:26:10 AM

The games give the House an obvious advantage over the players, because they have the odds in their favor. Crazy Time Odds =
38.88% chance of stopping on 1 (21 segments) 24.07% chance of stopping on 2 (13 segments) 12.96% chance of stopping on 5 (7 segments) = Source https://casinogrounds.com/casino-games/crazy-time/

You can actually track the history of the bets here ==> https://casinoscores.com/crazy-time/ and get expected frequencies for numbers to be spun.

The old saying is... "The House always Win" and that is why they use the odds to their benefit, when they design these games. Wink

You are right, the House always wins, and that is because there is a House Edge, we can calculate that house edge for any game with the odds and the multipliers. In other words, how much does the casino win in the long run. If you are playing a dice game with a house edge of 1% and you are betting to 50% chance to win, in the long run you will win 50% of your bets, but for a 98% profit on each one, that way the house always wins.

Now, getting back to Crazy Time, wasn't easy to find the house edge, but it's between 3.92% and 5.67%, which is really high for a game. https://smartcasinoguide.com/crazy-time-casino-game/ But this doesn't mean the users never win. The variance is the biggest enemy for the house edge.

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Quote from: cabron on February 14, 2022, 11:51:21 AM

Quote from: Boristhecat on February 14, 2022, 11:28:03 AM

I have the same feelings about these games and therefore I have never played them. But logically, if these games were dishonest, then sooner or later their organizers would be caught on something (or there would be a leak of information about how everything really works) and the organizers of such games would lose their reputation. But I don't think I've heard of any such investigations or scandals.

No one yet surfaces out of dismay for losing thousands in the game. The monopoly game I use to play was is a board game, not this kind. But yes if it has auditors I guess they all could conspire players in thier favor by rigging the devices.

Hard to prove fairness, I even suspect the live cam casinos are arranging those decks of cards already before they distribute to the players. I don't buy it when there is no cheating. The house will hate the game if that is the case.

In order to constantly (on average) win casinos do not need to cheat - mathematics works in their favor. I think it's much more profitable to do business honestly than to risk being discovered and losing all business (due to punishment and loss of reputation). By the way, the honesty of the casino can be checked not only by the honesty of video broadcasts, but also by mathematical statistics - if the casino is cheating, then the analysis will show it.

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Quote from: dimonstration on February 15, 2022, 01:41:41 AM

This is what I believe too, Why they bother to rig the games while they always have the upper hand when we do the match for probability. They have maximum bet allowed so it means they have totally in control to the max profit that user can earn, Human error will increase overtime so the house will always win at the end if the player keeps betting due to enjoyment they can get on potential massive prize that they can get. I'm playing crazy time before and I won many times with massive multiplier but due to my greediness, I always ended up losing because I only bet on x10, x5 and the 4 special games leaving x1 and x2 empty which the usual winning number. Cheesy

Maximum bet allowed? That means they allow any bet without limit? They are not scared because they know that they have more chance of winning than the player because the house edge is high but to some casinos they do not allow it. They have set their own max bet limit if how much a player can bet maybe because they have a lower house edge and they are scared that any player can bet a really huge amount and that can bust them if ever the player are lucky.

In any games or in any gambling, they always have an advantage over the player because that is how gambling works, no wonder why they are a booming industry.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on February 15, 2022, 01:26:10 AM

The games give the House an obvious advantage over the players, because they have the odds in their favor. Crazy Time Odds =
38.88% chance of stopping on 1 (21 segments) 24.07% chance of stopping on 2 (13 segments) 12.96% chance of stopping on 5 (7 segments) = Source https://casinogrounds.com/casino-games/crazy-time/

You can actually track the history of the bets here ==> https://casinoscores.com/crazy-time/ and get expected frequencies for numbers to be spun.

The old saying is... "The House always Win" and that is why they use the odds to their benefit, when they design these games. Wink

Exactly, This is what I believe too, Why they bother to rig the games while they always have the upper hand when we do the match for probability. They have maximum bet allowed so it means they have totally in control to the max profit that user can earn, Human error will increase overtime so the house will always win at the end if the player keeps betting due to enjoyment they can get on potential massive prize that they can get. I'm playing crazy time before and I won many times with massive multiplier but due to my greediness, I always ended up losing because I only bet on x10, x5 and the 4 special games leaving x1 and x2 empty which the usual winning number. Cheesy

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The games give the House an obvious advantage over the players, because they have the odds in their favor. Crazy Time Odds =
38.88% chance of stopping on 1 (21 segments) 24.07% chance of stopping on 2 (13 segments) 12.96% chance of stopping on 5 (7 segments) = Source https://casinogrounds.com/casino-games/crazy-time/

You can actually track the history of the bets here ==> https://casinoscores.com/crazy-time/ and get expected frequencies for numbers to be spun.

The old saying is... "The House always Win" and that is why they use the odds to their benefit, when they design these games. Wink

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The game seems interesting and exciting since we are only waiting for the wheel to spin and give the result. Some television shows have this game and often make people who interact with the game get their heart beat faster because they expect to get the big prize or hit the jackpot. But if that is about manipulating the wheel, that will be back to a personal opinion because some people will not care about that while others believe that they are not manipulating it.

If they rigged the machine, how do we know for sure? So it is better to enjoy the game and see how good our luck and who knows, we can win some prizes. No need to think about many things that we do not know.

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reminds me of the online bingo in the Philippines which the numbers are air-mix drawn. it's sort of fair when it's done that way but some are still suspecting the weight of the tennis balls. which in this monopoly game are they suspecting to be unfair?

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Quote from: coolcoinz on February 13, 2022, 11:32:48 AM

For me it's all about the results. If I got really drawn to these games, I'd keep playing regardless of trust that I have towards the people who run these or audit them. You can always test these by playing with small money and stick with it if it keeps going your way. From my experience most people choose the games they like and the games they have results in before they do their research about the site that runs them and all other small details. That's why lottery tickets are so popular despite very low chance to win and the government taxing the shit out of big winners.

But this manipulations could be frustrating atimes regardless if one considers this most casinos would lose clients. playing regardless of trust just keeps one going afterall gambling generally involves risk so keeping the risk minimal is just one approach to stay far from been heart broken

First of all, there's no concrete evidence that everything is manipulated.

I don't think that way because what if the gamblers really won by selecting the pre-result exactly. Even before, there are issues about live casinos being live but there are gamblers who are actually profiting on those. If not, we shouldn't see live casinos now at every gambling site.

Generally, it means the market here was big and there are lots of money flowing on these games.

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Since trusting them is a question, we just have to trust ourselves with our choices.

It's clear that there are lots of gamblers who patronized live casinos and there are also gamblers who are not.

If we are getting good profits or our winning success rate is high playing at live casinos like on the game stated by OP, then it's nothing wrong to continue playing on those live games.

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When we've got more number of trusted gambling platforms with number of casino games and sports betting access, what's the need for risking our money on such games where the legitimacy isn't known. Atleast with the gambling platforms it is possible to check the fair functioning. With those games what the outcome is the result, and it can't be cross checked. Even the trusted platforms fail at times, so better is to avoid these kind of games.

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Quote from: chaser15 on February 13, 2022, 06:19:57 PM

I also questioned the fairness of these games. I can't imagine that somewhere part in the world, there's really a live studio hosting these games. Even it was a part of the popular gambling site, I don't trust these games even for a purpose of entertainment.

Not just Monopoly or games similar to it but for other live casinos as well.

Live Casinos is not in my vocabulary to play with.

I have the same feelings about these games and therefore I have never played them. But logically, if these games were dishonest, then sooner or later their organizers would be caught on something (or there would be a leak of information about how everything really works) and the organizers of such games would lose their reputation. But I don't think I've heard of any such investigations or scandals.

Let's say that was pre-recorded, still, gamblers just have to place their bets. In the event they picked it right, then there's no question. I also don't think that was a dishonest part since everyone is guessing. It's just that it wasn't live which should be not a big deal as in the first place, it's still a game of luck.

However, as I mentioned, I rarely play these games so I can't share any good experiences.

It will now end up on a gambler's choice if they really love playing those games or not regardless of the concerns about live casinos.

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Quote from: chaser15 on February 14, 2022, 06:28:27 PM

Quote from: Cryptock on February 14, 2022, 08:43:42 AM

Quote from: chaser15 on February 13, 2022, 06:19:57 PM

I also questioned the fairness of these games. I can't imagine that somewhere part in the world, there's really a live studio hosting these games. Even it was a part of the popular gambling site, I don't trust these games even for a purpose of entertainment.

Not just Monopoly or games similar to it but for other live casinos as well.

Live Casinos is not in my vocabulary to play with.

I understand your approach to live casinos and your doubts. However, if you do not believe these games are fair, on what basis do you believe any other casino games are fair?
I also understand that there can always be doubts, but if a casino is licensed and is checked by external audits, the risk of cheating is extremely small.

If I have to ask you, do you believe those live casinos are really live like they are really doing it somewhere in a live studio with updated feeds?

It's different to the usual casino games like slots, roulettes, and dice that's why your question seems not relevant.

Anyways, since we have different views, what we left here is just speculating things. My stand won't change, however.

At the end of the day, it boils down to the player himself if he wants to play or not, for entertainment or for other reasons. We may never know the ultimate truth about their fairness, but if you are a player who wants to enjoy the game, you are just trusting the casino is a fair one. If you are in doubt and has hesitations, you can always opt to other games that you prefer the most.

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Quote from: Cryptock on February 14, 2022, 08:43:42 AM

Quote from: chaser15 on February 13, 2022, 06:19:57 PM

I also questioned the fairness of these games. I can't imagine that somewhere part in the world, there's really a live studio hosting these games. Even it was a part of the popular gambling site, I don't trust these games even for a purpose of entertainment.

Not just Monopoly or games similar to it but for other live casinos as well.

Live Casinos is not in my vocabulary to play with.

I understand your approach to live casinos and your doubts. However, if you do not believe these games are fair, on what basis do you believe any other casino games are fair?
I also understand that there can always be doubts, but if a casino is licensed and is checked by external audits, the risk of cheating is extremely small.

If I have to ask you, do you believe those live casinos are really live like they are really doing it somewhere in a live studio with updated feeds?

It's different to the usual casino games like slots, roulettes, and dice that's why your question seems not relevant.

Anyways, since we have different views, what we left here is just speculating things. My stand won't change, however.

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