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Quote from: harizen on February 20, 2022, 06:47:34 PM

Quote from: Hamphser on February 19, 2022, 02:59:08 PM

If you dont care about those possible issues then go ahead and play with it because there are feelings which live games could really give out something unlike into those others thats why there are still people who do still prefer on playing even with those trust issues if you couldnt bare it up then you could always skip up and find out other things which you do much prefer and interest on.

Regardless if those games are manipulated or pre-recorded (as others say), gamblers will still play on it due to the fact that; a) they have a high winning chance playing there b) gamblers think they can ride on it c) just for entertainment and fun.

Trust is a big word. If you are playing those games at those reputable sites already, then assume that everything is fair.

That’s why you have to play on a better site, even if there’s a doubt just enjoy playing and look forward for your winnings. This is gambling after all, and the house will always win regardless of your strategy so don’t stress yourself and play the game that you love. Live games are fun to play, its just like you’re in a physical casinos that’s why many are playing those games.

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Quote from: Hamphser on February 19, 2022, 02:59:08 PM

If you dont care about those possible issues then go ahead and play with it because there are feelings which live games could really give out something unlike into those others thats why there are still people who do still prefer on playing even with those trust issues if you couldnt bare it up then you could always skip up and find out other things which you do much prefer and interest on.

Regardless if those games are manipulated or pre-recorded (as others say), gamblers will still play on it due to the fact that; a) they have a high winning chance playing there b) gamblers think they can ride on it c) just for entertainment and fun.

Trust is a big word. If you are playing those games at those reputable sites already, then assume that everything is fair.

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Quote from: gantez on February 20, 2022, 04:07:28 PM

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Quote from: MCVXYZ on February 20, 2022, 01:29:52 PM

He may conclude out because its subjective but there will be problems when we are talking about evidences to approve anything about this, which is of course objective.

Of course you would be needing this because pointing out fingers and accusing something which do really need out that sufficient proof so that they would really be facing up some charges but how you would do it?
You are trying out to go up against with a big business and just been said above that as long you could not really able to give out some solid proof then those things would remain as hunches and presumptions.
If you do have those kind of feelings then you could just simply ignore them out.

In such things yes you will need very solid prove to show that you have a good case against a business or any one. Making assumptions of manipulation or something really is not healthy. Before we do allege of something we don't have to assume that can give some charges against you. To assume is very dangerous until you have a prove.

There would be always a risks when you do tend to destroy the reputation of some businesses intentionally without having those solid proofs.If you have been doing this on real world then you're fucked up

when things goes against you in return because trying out to destroy someones reputation would really be needing that sufficient and solid proof but people are way too confident on doing this stuff on this

market because it is really hard for you to traced it up which it is really very common to have these kind of unsure or non verified claims.

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Quote from: timerland on February 20, 2022, 05:24:07 PM

Quote from: qwertyup23 on February 19, 2022, 02:33:22 PM

I definitely agree with your point.

The problem with live games is that they are prone to manipulation at some point and they are not probably fair. The developers have complete freedom to at least manipulate the odds in their favor, even if this is not likely the case. At this kind of gambling, what you are risking is the trust that you have over the online gambling website. But for the safest bet and odds, it is better to avoid or bet a minimum amount in case something happens.

Especially when you look at the various proofs that they are cheating - it becomes quite convincing in my opinion.

It might not happen much but the third party providers are definitely shady at best. There are so many clips of unnatural spins on crazy time that it drives me insane.

The physical manipulation aside, it is easy to manipulate the outcome of centralized games as well, so I would not put any trust in that either.

My trust percentage in this game is 30:70 I still give 30% confidence because sometimes this game still gives big wins but still not worth if we want to win big
because the chance to win big is low only happens at certain moments or when the players get bored with bad results then that's when the provider gives a big win, to increase the player's confidence.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on February 19, 2022, 02:33:22 PM

I definitely agree with your point.

The problem with live games is that they are prone to manipulation at some point and they are not probably fair. The developers have complete freedom to at least manipulate the odds in their favor, even if this is not likely the case. At this kind of gambling, what you are risking is the trust that you have over the online gambling website. But for the safest bet and odds, it is better to avoid or bet a minimum amount in case something happens.

Especially when you look at the various proofs that they are cheating - it becomes quite convincing in my opinion.

It might not happen much but the third party providers are definitely shady at best. There are so many clips of unnatural spins on crazy time that it drives me insane.

The physical manipulation aside, it is easy to manipulate the outcome of centralized games as well, so I would not put any trust in that either.

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on February 20, 2022, 02:33:37 PM

Quote from: MCVXYZ on February 20, 2022, 01:29:52 PM

He may conclude out because its subjective but there will be problems when we are talking about evidences to approve anything about this, which is of course objective.

Of course you would be needing this because pointing out fingers and accusing something which do really need out that sufficient proof so that they would really be facing up some charges but how you would do it?
You are trying out to go up against with a big business and just been said above that as long you could not really able to give out some solid proof then those things would remain as hunches and presumptions.
If you do have those kind of feelings then you could just simply ignore them out.

In such things yes you will need very solid prove to show that you have a good case against a business or any one. Making assumptions of manipulation or something really is not healthy. Before we do allege of something we don't have to assume that can give some charges against you. To assume is very dangerous until you have a prove.

Quote from: madnessteat on February 17, 2022, 09:37:49 AM

As I expected, most gamblers do not trust this kind of games and this is not surprising because the algorithm of such a wheel is impossible to check and it carries additional risks for the player. In addition, the leading that spins the wheel must be paid and the payment comes out of the players' pockets. That is why the chances that you will lose are always higher.

This could be a good reason but don't expect that gambling games should be easy to win. We need the remainder that the owners come for business of profit like you also so no body want to just pay the other person that way. I look at gambling that way too.

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Quote from: goinmerry on February 19, 2022, 12:56:13 PM

Quote from: madnessteat on February 17, 2022, 09:37:49 AM

As I expected, most gamblers do not trust this kind of games and this is not surprising because the algorithm of such a wheel is impossible to check and it carries additional risks for the player. In addition, the leading that spins the wheel must be paid and the payment comes out of the players' pockets. That is why the chances that you will lose are always higher.

It's not that they don't trust those games but rather, those people do have a bad experience playing those games. They didn't realize that in whatever form of gambling, there's no such thing as easy money. The same goes on their result playing on luck-based games like dice, slots, roulettes.

If they think those games are not trusted, then better shift career at those gambling types where they can apply their skills.

What makes you think that?

For example I have not played this kind of games because I think they are cheating and I do not need to have experience playing such games to understand it. And I'm sure there are a lot of people like that.

Any gambling in the long run leads to losing. And I have not only the understanding of it but quite a lot of personal experience but I still like to spend time playing poker or slots.

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Quote from: MCVXYZ on February 20, 2022, 01:29:52 PM

He may conclude out because its subjective but there will be problems when we are talking about evidences to approve anything about this, which is of course objective.

Of course you would be needing this because pointing out fingers and accusing something which do really need out that sufficient proof so that they would really be facing up some charges but how you would do it?
You are trying out to go up against with a big business and just been said above that as long you could not really able to give out some solid proof then those things would remain as hunches and presumptions.
If you do have those kind of feelings then you could just simply ignore them out.

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Quote from: Hamphser on February 19, 2022, 02:59:08 PM

Quote from: qwertyup23 on February 19, 2022, 02:33:22 PM

Quote from: goinmerry on February 13, 2022, 06:56:18 PM

That was a tough question if it's about putting our trust. I rarely bet on that type of game but I do before. I even think it was fair since even it's pre-recorded or I don't know the term to call it if I bet it right, I will win. But too much for speculation now as my conclusion now is, I won't play on those games from now.

Not saying I don't trust them but not comfortable risking money at live games.

I definitely agree with your point.

The problem with live games is that they are prone to manipulation at some point and they are not probably fair. The developers have complete freedom to at least manipulate the odds in their favor, even if this is not likely the case. At this kind of gambling, what you are risking is the trust that you have over the online gambling website. But for the safest bet and odds, it is better to avoid or bet a minimum amount in case something happens.

If you dont care about those possible issues then go ahead and play with it because there are feelings which live games could really give out something unlike into those others thats why there are still people

who do still prefer on playing even with those trust issues if you couldnt bare it up then you could always skip up and find out other things which you do much prefer and interest on.
We couldnt really conclude out if they arent fair since it wasnt proven out in the first place.

He may conclude out because its subjective but there will be problems when we are talking about evidences to approve anything about this, which is of course objective.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on February 19, 2022, 02:33:22 PM

Quote from: goinmerry on February 13, 2022, 06:56:18 PM

That was a tough question if it's about putting our trust. I rarely bet on that type of game but I do before. I even think it was fair since even it's pre-recorded or I don't know the term to call it if I bet it right, I will win. But too much for speculation now as my conclusion now is, I won't play on those games from now.

Not saying I don't trust them but not comfortable risking money at live games.

I definitely agree with your point.

The problem with live games is that they are prone to manipulation at some point and they are not probably fair. The developers have complete freedom to at least manipulate the odds in their favor, even if this is not likely the case. At this kind of gambling, what you are risking is the trust that you have over the online gambling website. But for the safest bet and odds, it is better to avoid or bet a minimum amount in case something happens.

If you dont care about those possible issues then go ahead and play with it because there are feelings which live games could really give out something unlike into those others thats why there are still people

who do still prefer on playing even with those trust issues if you couldnt bare it up then you could always skip up and find out other things which you do much prefer and interest on.
We couldnt really conclude out if they arent fair since it wasnt proven out in the first place.

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Quote from: goinmerry on February 13, 2022, 06:56:18 PM

That was a tough question if it's about putting our trust. I rarely bet on that type of game but I do before. I even think it was fair since even it's pre-recorded or I don't know the term to call it if I bet it right, I will win. But too much for speculation now as my conclusion now is, I won't play on those games from now.

Not saying I don't trust them but not comfortable risking money at live games.

I definitely agree with your point.

The problem with live games is that they are prone to manipulation at some point and they are not probably fair. The developers have complete freedom to at least manipulate the odds in their favor, even if this is not likely the case. At this kind of gambling, what you are risking is the trust that you have over the online gambling website. But for the safest bet and odds, it is better to avoid or bet a minimum amount in case something happens.

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Quote from: alegotardo on February 13, 2022, 11:00:52 AM

Quote from: seoincorporation on February 13, 2022, 10:48:26 AM

I know they run under a gambling license, but we don't know how rigged the machines are, even the Dice rolls for the Monopoly board could be a replay of a video and not a live roll.

That's why I start this topic, I want to know if the people of the community trust in those games.

Usually these live games are audited by a third party company, so the reliability of these games is directly related to who the auditors are, as they have a reputation to uphold, and reputation is the most valuable asset for these auditing companies.

But directly answering your question: NO, I don't trust and I don't like to bet on these games.

Same here, I think they have their own understanding of what is Fair game concept. I don't trust and will never play games based on nothing but some mathematical techniques. So, For me there is nothing about lucky, I don't even know how their "mechanism works".

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Quote from: madnessteat on February 17, 2022, 09:37:49 AM

As I expected, most gamblers do not trust this kind of games and this is not surprising because the algorithm of such a wheel is impossible to check and it carries additional risks for the player. In addition, the leading that spins the wheel must be paid and the payment comes out of the players' pockets. That is why the chances that you will lose are always higher.

It's not that they don't trust those games but rather, those people do have a bad experience playing those games. They didn't realize that in whatever form of gambling, there's no such thing as easy money. The same goes on their result playing on luck-based games like dice, slots, roulettes.

If they think those games are not trusted, then better shift career at those gambling types where they can apply their skills.

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Quote from: iv4n on February 19, 2022, 05:33:14 AM

I don't have the problems with trusting them, it's gambling, after all, we can win or lose any time, it's just that some other games are more attractive to me!

On point. Regardless of it's really live or not, gambling is gambling. I don't even think that these games are actually live on not will increase the chance of winning. In case this was pre-recorded, which I doubt it is, the same sequence applies, a bettor will place a bet then hope they will hit that pre-recorded result.

The bottom line, it's safe to assume that everything is fair and square especially if the involved site is popular. I don't see why they should cheat in the first place as that will affect their reputation.

And just to be clear, it's the Game Provider that hosts these games, not the gambling site in general.

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Quote from: Wexnident on February 19, 2022, 02:53:50 AM

Quote from: Alanaz on February 18, 2022, 03:10:53 PM

Even if that's the case, I think there will still be cheating, I think, but of course in a more subtle way because this kind of thing carries a greater risk, I think, compared to other gambling, even though this is live, but in some cases there is cheating there.
I did what you did because I also don't really like this game and even only tried this game a few times because I think the losses will be more than the advantages when playing there

That was rather confusing but point is, cheating would still happen? Do you even know what auditors are lmao. They're usually the middle man in between providing fairness from the casino to the user, and them doing their jobs for these types of cases is very important. It wouldn't necessarily be the casino only that would be affected, but also the auditor that was responsible when the event happened. Wouldn't be impossible though for cheating to happen, not because it's "subtle" but rather both the auditor and the casino are in it.

I know this and by this I don't mean to doubt the auditors on duty because of course they are neutral people but on the other hand this as I said before there are some casinos that can indeed think of a more subtle way and the possibility exists even if let's see now there are some that do have indications of cheating in the rotation maybe one example is the link that the OP gave.

Quote from: michellee on February 19, 2022, 03:23:19 AM

Although we believe there is cheating in this game, we can't prove it easily because they will definitely cover up the cheating and still pretend that their system is fair. If that's the case, we don't have to try to play that gambling game because we have many other types of gambling games that we think are fair games so we think differently. Playing gambling really requires calm to be able to enjoy the game so if you keep thinking there is cheating in the game, you definitely won't be able to enjoy the game.

I quite agree with what you say because the best choice is indeed when we are not sure why we are forced to play, we play for fun but that doesn't mean putting aside suspicion and when we are not really sure it certainly shouldn't be done.

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Quote from: alegotardo on February 19, 2022, 07:08:19 AM

Quote from: iv4n on February 19, 2022, 05:33:14 AM

I tried these two games a few times... and I didn't win or lose anything big! But I saw some people betting crazy and winning insanely high prizes when they hit this special x2 x3 and x4 numbers... I didn't have the luck to hit that, to be honest, I didn't play it long enough probably! These kinds of games are not so interesting to me, I don't have the problems with trusting them, it's gambling, after all, we can win or lose any time, it's just that some other games are more attractive to me!

Nothing compares to an online game where you have all the necessary tools to validate your bet and be sure that the result was fair. Obviously you will not check all the bets you place, but just by being able to do this at any time, you already have greater security, as the site does not know which bet you are going to validate, so they will be fair in all of them. .
In the case of CrazyTime and Monopoli, your only trust is in the company that is auditing the bets, you will never be able to prove the veracity of the bets yourself.

You are absolutely right. Cryptocurrencies have made it possible for us not to use trust in third parties, but to be able to verify everything on our own. That's why most cryptocurrency users will not trust this kind of games. And since we can't check anything, the winnings we see could be cheating.

Whoever wants to play this kind of games has to understand at once that he will most probably lose all his money.

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Its fun to play since you watch the actual table but yeah, it can be edited or a replay but if there's an interaction between you and the other gamblers, the game might really on a live video which you can confirm but asking few things. .

Well, trusting is a big issue, this is why I only gamble on the top site and since I play not much on a live games, I'm still ok with them. Don't trust them fully, you still have not to be greedy and gamble only your extra money, this is still gambling and the house will always win.

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Quote from: alegotardo on February 19, 2022, 07:08:19 AM

Quote from: iv4n on February 19, 2022, 05:33:14 AM

I tried these two games a few times... and I didn't win or lose anything big! But I saw some people betting crazy and winning insanely high prizes when they hit this special x2 x3 and x4 numbers... I didn't have the luck to hit that, to be honest, I didn't play it long enough probably! These kinds of games are not so interesting to me, I don't have the problems with trusting them, it's gambling, after all, we can win or lose any time, it's just that some other games are more attractive to me!

Nothing compares to an online game where you have all the necessary tools to validate your bet and be sure that the result was fair. Obviously you will not check all the bets you place, but just by being able to do this at any time, you already have greater security, as the site does not know which bet you are going to validate, so they will be fair in all of them. .
In the case of CrazyTime and Monopoli, your only trust is in the company that is auditing the bets, you will never be able to prove the veracity of the bets yourself.

Yes, we either trust the provider or we don't! As a slot player I trust providers, why would I play them if I don't trust them!? You are right, there are provably fair games where you can check any bet with the validator, but slots, live games, poker are not games where you can do that... so you either trust the site and providers of those games and you play them, or you simply play in-house games where you have greater security! I know I play both...

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Quote from: iv4n on February 19, 2022, 05:33:14 AM

I tried these two games a few times... and I didn't win or lose anything big! But I saw some people betting crazy and winning insanely high prizes when they hit this special x2 x3 and x4 numbers... I didn't have the luck to hit that, to be honest, I didn't play it long enough probably! These kinds of games are not so interesting to me, I don't have the problems with trusting them, it's gambling, after all, we can win or lose any time, it's just that some other games are more attractive to me!

Nothing compares to an online game where you have all the necessary tools to validate your bet and be sure that the result was fair. Obviously you will not check all the bets you place, but just by being able to do this at any time, you already have greater security, as the site does not know which bet you are going to validate, so they will be fair in all of them. .
In the case of CrazyTime and Monopoli, your only trust is in the company that is auditing the bets, you will never be able to prove the veracity of the bets yourself.

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As long as it can't be proven that they are fair then we can't believe it spins and rollls like behind the scenes different from card games that can be seen in live
Some dubious things are, how the machine works and make sure it is without control provider never shows it. I have never seriously played this game only at the last balance when I'm going out of the casino.

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