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Look at it that way.

100 years back British officers and nationals used to feature in Indian, Australian and SA teams (although it was amateur level) regularly so building teams and cricket culture through migration is a process IMO. This might look dodgy at the start when compared to a team with local players but in a long term, this should help at least for a few countries. 

Really good for both the teams to improve their performance. Slowly Women's cricket is growing and this tour is really good decision. When controversy keeps circulation, Ireland women's team touring Pakistan will have positive thoughts. Maybe more other countries will tour Pakistan and in the upcoming days we can see more Pakistan people support Ireland team while playing against other teams.

Already completed very long debate about this all which was useless because ICC is not going to change attitude and their way of work which is never been suitable for this game and many countries which are looking for funds as they are able to develop this game in their countries but sadly no positive development happening and ICC is also never been interested because they are looking for deep pockets which helps them for increasing their profit, and they are able to do things which they want to do by their own without doing any positive work.

Few countries which can do good, but sadly they have no funds are also ignored by ICC and few countries which are not having any native player, and they can't do anything for the development of this game are having good links here in this organization it's simple end of this all talk.

ICC is a sports body and the point of having a sports body is that it will make equality among all the teams. But the ICC is not being able to do that. ICC is favoring the BCCI nowadays a lot.

And honestly, I do not mind ICC favoring the BCCI as long as it does not create any problems with the other cricket boards or teams. But the way ICC is going about things it feels like India is the only team that they care about. The others are just there to participate. What is going to happen if the venue of the Asia cup is moved away from Pakistan?

Ireland women cricket team has arrived in Lahore - Pakistan. They will be playing 3 one day and 3 T20 match with Pakistani Women Cricket team.
This is the first time Ireland team visited Pakistan - the matches will be held in Qaddafi stadium from Monday.

As cricket expands globally, competition in cricket will increase and cricket organizations will also be able to collect large amounts of revenue from it. However, to make the potential source of income, the highest organization of cricket, ICC, has to come forward. ICC's dedicated role will enable cricket to expand further.

I am also in favor of equal revenue distribution. But then, there is a counter argument to this. Look at the so called "national teams" in Europe and West Asia. Most of them are 100% comprised of medical students, expat businessmen and even tourists. Do you believe that allotting millions of USD to such teams would be a good idea? If that happens, then half of all the first class cricketers in India will pack up their bags and move to European and Middle Eastern countries the next day. Funding for associate countries should be increased only if the team is comprised of citizens.   

Generating revenue is one of the most efficient ways of earning in cricket or in any sport. But the revenue will be greater when more people become interested in that particular sport. But cricket is not very popular around the world. Also, ICC is not doing a good job of keeping the spectators interested in cricket, who are already watching as well. I know that hosting a cricket match costs a lot to arrange. But I believe if many more teams were playing cricket all these things that we are talking about (not generating enough revenue, a certain board being the most powerful) wouldn't have been any problem.

@Sithara007, I agree with you. But my opinion is that no cricket board should be more powerful than the other. I believe that all that frequent boards should be treated equally. Regardless of which cricket board is bringing the most money to the ICC.

That's the only way for ICC to compensate BCCI and if other boards were in a similar situation then they would've liked similar arrangements as well, that's how all disputes are settled when the playing field is not the same.

On BCCI 3x funding, the counter argument would be, they contribute 80% of revenue so getting back 15-20% is only fair.

Personally, I am in favor of equal distribution of revenue among all members, not just full test nation but associates too. But we know if it happens then the very same test nations who complain about BCCI on daily basis will strike down this proposal because it'll directly affect their pocket too.

All teams are equal on the ground but Cricket boards aren't. When teams compete, they have the same playing field but it's a completely different ball game when it comes to Cricket boards., simply look at the voting system.

Like it or not Money is the most important thing for the ICC. That's how they subsidize test cricket for small full test members and associate nations, it's not perfect by any means but at least they have a system in place, even though it's crumbling.

Just to give you one small example of why money is important for ICC and every board; DRS and Hotspot Tech facilities cost $60-80K per match day. Every international match has this system in place (barring hotspot sometimes) and not every international match generate enough revenue. I hope you get the gist.

Nothing is permanent. Two decades ago, India was a nobody in terms of TV revenues. There were too many government regulations and it was impossible for the private broadcasters to get a return from their investment. Rules were changed and only after that sports broadcasting became profitable in India. Pakistan and Bangladesh at this point are where India were in the late 90s. If the full potential in these two countries are realized, then they can also emerge as major markets for the ICC. But at this point, combined revenue from these two countries stand at around 2% of the revenues from India.

I just want to add one point here. We go so crazy for money sometime that we forget that at the end we will be worrying about our health and safety
All these players and the hi-fi profile retire at the end. And nothing helps them but their good dealing. Sometime this is all stuff goes beyond the crazy

If money is the most significant thing for the ICC, and if India is the favorite of the ICC because they are bringing in the most amount of money, I think ICC should be renamed from the international cricket council to the Indian cricket council. 😒

And if money is all that matters, award every title possible to India. Because no one else is contributing to the Treasury and that's why no one else has the right to win the title, right?

What's the point of having a sports body when that certain sports body is not going to be able to bring equality among all the teams and cricket boards?

I agree that India contribute the most to the ICC revenues, both directly and indirectly (through the diaspora). But at the same time, the BCCI is already receiving preferential treatment from the ICC. Every year two months of the cricketing calendar is blocked so that BCCI can schedule the IPL. None of the other boards are being given this luxury, and the ICC doesn't get anything in return. Also, the BCCI is given 3x funding from the ICC compared to other test nations (although they don't need it really). Even when it comes to hosting major tournaments, the BCCI is being given a preference.

I guess you missed out my response to the same user and towing with the favorable argument is not going to help in the discussion IMO but anyway

You brought up an excellent point about what gives BCCI any authority to impose its views on others, despite contributing most of the money to ICC's piggy bank, i completely agree with that.

But at the same time, why do other boards feel entitled to the same treatment when they are contributing virtually nothing to the treasury? Please answer this.. 

I absolutely agree. Today Pakistan is suffering because of the demands of the BCCI. Who knows what they are planning to ask for if they are not stopped now! I understand that they are the cricket board that is bringing in the most amount of money for the ICC. But that does not mean they are entitled to be allowed to do anything that they want. Obviously, there are some other reasons for doing these things. But, I don't think anyone should have this type of dare. And if somehow this Asia Cup is canceled Pakistan will have to suffer a lot for it.


So, @JSRAW and @Sithara007 are you guys saying that the comments or statements of Jay Shah were made under some influence from another source? In this case, it seems to be the government…

I know that the cricket boards of both countries are influenced by the governments. However, I always thought the governments had better things to do except for poking around with each other. But that does not seem to be the case. I agree with @Sithara007 that both countries could use cricket to improve their relationship with each other but they are actually doing the opposite.

Please remind me which country takes pride in 2 nation theory?

Policies regarding Pakistan are more or less similar to every Party in India, no matter who is sitting in Delhi.

Hardly a stable situation, Indian authorities just refused to engage with their counterparts from every level (Just look at SCO meet up). There is no change of heart from both sides but LoC ceasefire truce which happened last year, that's why we are not seeing border skirmishes.

Cold storage theory is wonderful or even the status quo would do wonder for the Indian subcontinent but history tell us that every time such initiatives are taken into consideration some major terrorist attacks happen in Indian soil. 

I would very much prefer 50-100 years peace deal for the subcontinent but for this to happen I firmly believe Indian Gov should engage with Pak Army and should come to some sort of consensus (Pak army because they are the real player).

Well.. I can agree on this. In the end, it all depends on the decision by the government. But for quite some time now, the relations between the two countries have remained at a stable state. India hasn't witnessed any terrorist incidents such as bombings and mass shootings, and there have been no major border skirmishes between the two sides. If the governments want, they can use cricket as a tool to further improve the relations between these two countries. But in order for that to happen, both the governments need to put the controversial issues (such as Kashmir) on the cold storage for some time.

Until the relationship between the two doesn't turn to be good, we can't expect things to change. As stated the Indo-Pak cricket is much connected with politics than a game. The people of both the countries have good friendship living in different nations, but when it comes to a match they'll have their ignorance.

The ruling party of India is much against Pakistan and they have an agenda to segregate the nation in terms of religion. In such situation Aisa cup in Pakistan could create political pressure.

Yeah, i agree that's wrong but IMO everyone should be practical and take some hard decisions and if no one is willing to take some tough call then they should stop cribbing about (Talking about cricket boards).

I've said many times that no board can arm twist other boards if they stand up but it is also true that you have to be self-sufficient and at this moment not a single ACC member is capable of doing so. It's no rocket science that BCCI has a ton of leverage over other boards and it's always going to play into their hands.

Now that's a weird take considering the bloody history of Indo-Pak.

It's not Jay Shah cause it's above his pay grade. It all comes down to Gov to Gov and diplomatic relations and with due all respect, we shouldn't be ignorant about the series of events. Also, everything in Indo-Pak cricket is about politics and it's not a new trend, happening since 50s-60s quite regularly. It would be ignorance if we think otherwise.

Why should the venue be shifted from Pakistan? I don't think that it is right. Today it is Pakistan. Tomorrow the demands will increase. BCCI will refuse to play anywhere other than India. Then what the other countries would do? And it is very clear that BCCI's refusal to tour Pakistan has nothing to do with any security issue. If that was the case, then teams such as Australia, England and New Zealand would also refuse to tour Pakistan. Their refusal is purely due to political reasons, as Jay Shah wants to divert attention from some of his own shortcomings.