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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 17, 2022, 09:29:41 PM

Quote from: Minecache on October 17, 2022, 02:43:03 PM

I really don't feel that the Big 3 project is going to be revived if the Big 3 does not have unity among themselves. And I also believe that not having the Big 3 model at all is going to be beneficial for cricket in the long run. The problem is even though we are thinking that the Big 3 is not coordinated they might still come together just to have this model revived. But I think that ICC alone should have the authority over cricket. If ICC cannot be the lone authority over all the cricket boards then we shouldn't have ICC in the first place.

Actually, I don't think that the Big 3 is going to get revived. However, if the cricket boards and ICC have some understanding between themselves it is going to be a lot more hazardous for cricket.

Instead of the pig-3, we may witness the rise of pig-1. I don't know whether the BCCI need CA or ECB anymore. But a lot will depend on how the BCCI will do their bargaining for the fund allocation next year, for the 2024-31 cycle. As a result of the inflated media rights auction, the available funds for next cycle is almost 2.5 times higher than what we had last time. The BCCI receives around $50 million per year from the ICC as of now and it may go up by anywhere from $100 million to $200 million.

The situation could have been much simpler if other Full cricketing nations start contributing to ICC revenue.

BCCI does have a very solid case this time. During the ICC auction, I tuned in to some cricketing podcasts and I got to know that Broadcasters paid 97-99% money just to capture the Indian market. That's a very shocking number to me.

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Quote from: Minecache on October 17, 2022, 02:43:03 PM

I really don't feel that the Big 3 project is going to be revived if the Big 3 does not have unity among themselves. And I also believe that not having the Big 3 model at all is going to be beneficial for cricket in the long run. The problem is even though we are thinking that the Big 3 is not coordinated they might still come together just to have this model revived. But I think that ICC alone should have the authority over cricket. If ICC cannot be the lone authority over all the cricket boards then we shouldn't have ICC in the first place.

Actually, I don't think that the Big 3 is going to get revived. However, if the cricket boards and ICC have some understanding between themselves it is going to be a lot more hazardous for cricket.

As of now, ICC is surely one of the biggest joke around the sports world because of their poor management and weak policies which are creating problems for them and no one going to solve this even for the personal interest they are creating more problems here now time for having a big discussion are they serious for this game's development, or they are just going to for their own interests which are surely going to be the dark future of this game BCCI's greediness is going on their high for more stake from media rights even they are the biggest market in the world now it's time for having big heart and allow things could be fair and for the better development of this game they need to scarify few points which will surely increase funds for associate countries which will bring better results.

Here are now all boards surely need to sit and talk about this all as it's right time and for me if India is going to be fit in these policies then surely we can expect big issues in this sports organization and this game could be bigger loser in this all issue.

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Quote from: Minecache on October 17, 2022, 02:43:03 PM

I really don't feel that the Big 3 project is going to be revived if the Big 3 does not have unity among themselves. And I also believe that not having the Big 3 model at all is going to be beneficial for cricket in the long run. The problem is even though we are thinking that the Big 3 is not coordinated they might still come together just to have this model revived. But I think that ICC alone should have the authority over cricket. If ICC cannot be the lone authority over all the cricket boards then we shouldn't have ICC in the first place.

Actually, I don't think that the Big 3 is going to get revived. However, if the cricket boards and ICC have some understanding between themselves it is going to be a lot more hazardous for cricket.

Instead of the pig-3, we may witness the rise of pig-1. I don't know whether the BCCI need CA or ECB anymore. But a lot will depend on how the BCCI will do their bargaining for the fund allocation next year, for the 2024-31 cycle. As a result of the inflated media rights auction, the available funds for next cycle is almost 2.5 times higher than what we had last time. The BCCI receives around $50 million per year from the ICC as of now and it may go up by anywhere from $100 million to $200 million.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 17, 2022, 09:16:07 AM

Quote from: BobK71 on October 17, 2022, 02:11:44 AM

Honest and good characteristics people hate politics. Those who are greedy for money or power are the ones who dominate politics. Honest people can also come here but they can not survive because when it comes to politics, being good is a tough challenge. And if the ruling party comes to power, any party with its supporters can take that position, it is not impossible.

Politics in cricket can be overwhelming for honest people. And that is one of the reasons why legendary players hardly ever feature among the administrative bodies. Sourav Ganguly was an exception and we saw how it ended up for him. Guys like Rahul Dravid chose to be in the coaching domain, rather than in administration. And IMO, his choice was good. Maybe Dravid should get some experience with coaching, before jumping in to administrative domain. But in the end, I would still prefer ex-players in the administration department.

The majority of people I think would like to see ex-players in administration, but on the other hand, I believe that politics in administration is inevitable and cannot be avoided in any way. The hunger for power is one of the worst parts of society, and politics is the outcome of that hunger for power. There has already been a lot of buzz about the situation with Sourov Ganguly, and I am glad that Dravid has chosen to go into the coaching department, and I think that is quite a good fit for him. In spite of the fact that the majority of people would like to see ex-players in administrative positions, it rarely happens.

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Quote from: GigaBit on October 17, 2022, 02:47:03 PM

The current political environment has taken on a different dimension. It is never possible to stay that position unless the government is supported. Although it is a cricket organization in name but money and power are given more importance than cricket. As a cricket organization which is never expected. I myself also consider it from all these aspects that it will be good for cricket if a former cricketer gets this administrative power.

there is a weather prediction that T20 world cup match on Sunday between Paksitan will be a draw match due to heavy rain
Yet all the tickets are sold. What will happen - will the prediction be true - or will the team win the match. We are all waiting for this match

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 17, 2022, 09:16:07 AM

Quote from: BobK71 on October 17, 2022, 02:11:44 AM

Honest and good characteristics people hate politics. Those who are greedy for money or power are the ones who dominate politics. Honest people can also come here but they can not survive because when it comes to politics, being good is a tough challenge. And if the ruling party comes to power, any party with its supporters can take that position, it is not impossible.

Politics in cricket can be overwhelming for honest people. And that is one of the reasons why legendary players hardly ever feature among the administrative bodies. Sourav Ganguly was an exception and we saw how it ended up for him. Guys like Rahul Dravid chose to be in the coaching domain, rather than in administration. And IMO, his choice was good. Maybe Dravid should get some experience with coaching, before jumping in to administrative domain. But in the end, I would still prefer ex-players in the administration department.

The current political environment has taken on a different dimension. It is never possible to stay that position unless the government is supported. Although it is a cricket organization in name but money and power are given more importance than cricket. As a cricket organization which is never expected. I myself also consider it from all these aspects that it will be good for cricket if a former cricketer gets this administrative power.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 16, 2022, 09:30:22 PM

There are several obstacles in reviving the pig-3 model. First of all, the voting structure of ICC has changed and there are now 12 full members. And the smaller test nations are more or less united against the pig-3 model. But the biggest obstacle is that there is no unity between the 3 pigs (BCCI, ECB and CA). Back during the days of pig-3 dominance, there was perfect understanding between the two top members of the mafia (Srinivasan and Pawar), and the other two (Giles Clarke of the ECB and Wally Edwards of CA).

I really don't feel that the Big 3 project is going to be revived if the Big 3 does not have unity among themselves. And I also believe that not having the Big 3 model at all is going to be beneficial for cricket in the long run. The problem is even though we are thinking that the Big 3 is not coordinated they might still come together just to have this model revived. But I think that ICC alone should have the authority over cricket. If ICC cannot be the lone authority over all the cricket boards then we shouldn't have ICC in the first place.

Actually, I don't think that the Big 3 is going to get revived. However, if the cricket boards and ICC have some understanding between themselves it is going to be a lot more hazardous for cricket.

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Quote from: BobK71 on October 17, 2022, 02:11:44 AM

Honest and good characteristics people hate politics. Those who are greedy for money or power are the ones who dominate politics. Honest people can also come here but they can not survive because when it comes to politics, being good is a tough challenge. And if the ruling party comes to power, any party with its supporters can take that position, it is not impossible.

Politics in cricket can be overwhelming for honest people. And that is one of the reasons why legendary players hardly ever feature among the administrative bodies. Sourav Ganguly was an exception and we saw how it ended up for him. Guys like Rahul Dravid chose to be in the coaching domain, rather than in administration. And IMO, his choice was good. Maybe Dravid should get some experience with coaching, before jumping in to administrative domain. But in the end, I would still prefer ex-players in the administration department.

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Quote from: KennyR on October 16, 2022, 05:10:16 PM

If the ruling government is able to win the next election, then there is more chances of Gautam Gambhir to be the president of ICC. Possibly he'll take a chance as he's a member of parliament from the ruling government. With the incident of Ganguly it is very clear, anyone who could get political support will get the post. I think it is good for Ganguly to stay away from politics and ruining his name.

Honest and good characteristics people hate politics. Those who are greedy for money or power are the ones who dominate politics. Honest people can also come here but they can not survive because when it comes to politics, being good is a tough challenge. And if the ruling party comes to power, any party with its supporters can take that position, it is not impossible.

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Quote from: Minecache on October 16, 2022, 03:43:22 PM

The Indian cricket board and Australian cricket board and also the England cricket board are always hoping to try to revive the Big3 or Big4 models. Because they will obviously like to be in charge. Additionally, I am aware that there is something going on where the team that is able to generate more revenue is supposed to get a substantial amount of money from the International Cricket Council or something along those lines is being discussed or something like that. There is a chance that those countries which are small and trying to develop genuine talent will die if that happens. This is most likely to have a negative effect on cricket in the long run as well, which is unfortunate.

There are several obstacles in reviving the pig-3 model. First of all, the voting structure of ICC has changed and there are now 12 full members. And the smaller test nations are more or less united against the pig-3 model. But the biggest obstacle is that there is no unity between the 3 pigs (BCCI, ECB and CA). Back during the days of pig-3 dominance, there was perfect understanding between the two top members of the mafia (Srinivasan and Pawar), and the other two (Giles Clarke of the ECB and Wally Edwards of CA).

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If the ruling government is able to win the next election, then there is more chances of Gautam Gambhir to be the president of ICC. Possibly he'll take a chance as he's a member of parliament from the ruling government. With the incident of Ganguly it is very clear, anyone who could get political support will get the post. I think it is good for Ganguly to stay away from politics and ruining his name.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 16, 2022, 08:02:19 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on October 16, 2022, 01:59:15 AM

Never say never.

I've mentioned this to you earlier that there is narrative building in BCCI regarding the existing revenue model due to the recent media rights auction. This discussion could take place once ICC concludes the bidding process and reveals the numbers in Dec this year.

Well... then it is a concern. And I am even more worried at this point, because Ganguly is no longer associated with the BCCI. If a former cricketer was in BCCI, then there was at least a hope that he would sympathize with the smaller (associate) nations. If the power is in the hands of businessmen and politicians, then we can't expect any such treatment. Before the ICC reveals the numbers in December, the chairman elections are there and may be held by November. It may gave a broad idea in which direction the ICC is moving.

The Indian cricket board and Australian cricket board and also the England cricket board are always hoping to try to revive the Big3 or Big4 models. Because they will obviously like to be in charge. Additionally, I am aware that there is something going on where the team that is able to generate more revenue is supposed to get a substantial amount of money from the International Cricket Council or something along those lines is being discussed or something like that. There is a chance that those countries which are small and trying to develop genuine talent will die if that happens. This is most likely to have a negative effect on cricket in the long run as well, which is unfortunate.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on October 16, 2022, 02:47:23 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on October 16, 2022, 01:59:15 AM

Rambo is the nickname of Ramiz.

Yeah PIG -3 (BIG-3) group includes Eng, Aus, Ind.

PIG-4 concept is based on Ramiz's pet project of quadrilateral series (Limited overs) among Ind + Aus + Eng + Pak. ICC never favors any quadrilateral series, Ganguly had similar ideas of Ind + Eng+Aus + any country on a rotation basis (minus Pakistan).

So Ramiz Raja is the chairman for the Pakistan cricket board. But then If Ganguly and the company do not want to include Pakistan in the quadrilateral series, i am afraid Ramiz would not be able to convince them alone. And the ICC chairman would never be from Pakistan for sure not at least until BCCI has the financial power of the cricketing world.

To be fair to Ganguly ( i took the liberty to add "minus Pakistan" because of obvious no bilateral cricket policy) he didn't table the proposal even to BCCI's board members.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 16, 2022, 01:59:15 AM

Never say never.

I've mentioned this to you earlier that there is narrative building in BCCI regarding the existing revenue model due to the recent media rights auction. This discussion could take place once ICC concludes the bidding process and reveals the numbers in Dec this year.

Well... then it is a concern. And I am even more worried at this point, because Ganguly is no longer associated with the BCCI. If a former cricketer was in BCCI, then there was at least a hope that he would sympathize with the smaller (associate) nations. If the power is in the hands of businessmen and politicians, then we can't expect any such treatment. Before the ICC reveals the numbers in December, the chairman elections are there and may be held by November. It may gave a broad idea in which direction the ICC is moving.

Everyone had the exact same thoughts when he took charge of the BCCI and look what he did. Anyway now Ganguly would again go back to the Bengal cricket board (i assume).

Also heard that BCCI is not recommending him for ICC's post so let's see what happens.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 16, 2022, 01:59:15 AM

Never say never.

I've mentioned this to you earlier that there is narrative building in BCCI regarding the existing revenue model due to the recent media rights auction. This discussion could take place once ICC concludes the bidding process and reveals the numbers in Dec this year.

Well... then it is a concern. And I am even more worried at this point, because Ganguly is no longer associated with the BCCI. If a former cricketer was in BCCI, then there was at least a hope that he would sympathize with the smaller (associate) nations. If the power is in the hands of businessmen and politicians, then we can't expect any such treatment. Before the ICC reveals the numbers in December, the chairman elections are there and may be held by November. It may gave a broad idea in which direction the ICC is moving.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 16, 2022, 01:59:15 AM

Rambo is the nickname of Ramiz.

Yeah PIG -3 (BIG-3) group includes Eng, Aus, Ind.

PIG-4 concept is based on Ramiz's pet project of quadrilateral series (Limited overs) among Ind + Aus + Eng + Pak. ICC never favors any quadrilateral series, Ganguly had similar ideas of Ind + Eng+Aus + any country on a rotation basis (minus Pakistan).

So Ramiz Raja is the chairman for the Pakistan cricket board. But then If Ganguly and the company do not want to include Pakistan in the quadrilateral series, i am afraid Ramiz would not be able to convince them alone. And the ICC chairman would never be from Pakistan for sure not at least until BCCI has the financial power of the cricketing world.

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Quote from: Tony116 on October 15, 2022, 05:30:51 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on October 15, 2022, 09:22:25 AM

~snip~

It really is something I have no idea about even if someone outside India or Pakistan becomes the new Chairman of the ICC, they are not allowed to talk about the big four countries. I think anyone from India, Australia, New Zealand, or England is inclined to hope for the best of the big four. At this point, I think even the International Cricket Council might be in favor of this happening.

It is also my impression that I and a lot of other people like me are very concerned about the new ICC Chairman working honestly. At this point, I personally do not care who comes and sits on the chair at the moment. As long as he is honest, he has a good chance of getting the job. For some reason, I believe that this is the one criterion that no one is going to be able to fulfill.

Overall agree with the sentiments but want to correct on 1 small thing.

There are no BIG-4 (Definitely not NZ) in the cricketing world financially, only BIG-3 (Ind, Eng, Aus).

But yes other cricketing boards want to enter this club due to the financial benefits which are related to big Bilateral series deals. Most cricket boards avoid expressing this openly because they hardly put anything on the table, except PCB ( most of the time due to entitlement and sometimes due to genuine reasons when it comes to BCCI).

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 15, 2022, 09:22:25 AM

The next ICC chairman shouldn't be from India or Pakistan but some other country.

Because if someone from India takes the chair then that individual could potentially start a discussion of PIG-3 type model again (financially).

And if Rambo becomes the head then he'll surely push for PIG-4 series model, he was very vocal about it in the ICC meetings.

Pig-3 model was thrown in the dust-bin a few years ago and I don't think that it will be possible to revive it no matter how much the BCCI, ECB and CA try. By now the lower tier test nations have realized the danger in having the pig-3 financial model, and all of them are solidly against that idea. And the voting structure of ICC has also changed, giving two additional slots to Afghanistan and Ireland. For the pig-3 nations, it won't be easy to garner the required majority (9 out of 16 votes) for any such proposal.

Never say never.

I've mentioned this to you earlier that there is narrative building in BCCI regarding the existing revenue model due to the recent media rights auction. This discussion could take place once ICC concludes the bidding process and reveals the numbers in Dec this year.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 15, 2022, 09:22:25 AM

~snip~

Just to be clear can you tell who is "Rambo" and who is included in "PIG-4" ?
As far as i know, PIG 3 included England, Australia and India, Right Huh

So who is that extra country in PIG four?

Rambo is the nickname of Ramiz.

Yeah PIG -3 (BIG-3) group includes Eng, Aus, Ind.

PIG-4 concept is based on Ramiz's pet project of quadrilateral series (Limited overs) among Ind + Aus + Eng + Pak. ICC never favors any quadrilateral series, Ganguly had similar ideas of Ind + Eng+Aus + any country on a rotation basis (minus Pakistan).

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 15, 2022, 09:22:25 AM

The next ICC chairman shouldn't be from India or Pakistan but some other country.

Because if someone from India takes the chair then that individual could potentially start a discussion of PIG-3 type model again (financially).

And if Rambo becomes the head then he'll surely push for PIG-4 series model, he was very vocal about it in the ICC meetings.

Just to be clear can you tell who is "Rambo" and who is included in "PIG-4" ?
As far as i know, PIG 3 included England, Australia and India, Right Huh

So who is that extra country in PIG four?

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Recently I noticed that this thread "Cricket match prediction discussions" has become more of a political discussion thread of cricket.
While we had three separate threads for cricket which include a test matches thread, a one day international thread and the T20 discussion thread.

I always thought what was the need of this thread then, but now i can classify it as a political cricket discussion thread.

By the way I know that this was the first thread about cricket which was created in bitcointalk while the other three were created later.

Many things may come up in the discussion but the main point cannot be ignored. So, it is better to discuss within the mentioned tropic. Basically the name of Tropic is “Cricket match prediction discussions” so here related discussions of Tropic will be important. Generally all types of cricket news can be discussed including cricket match predictions.

Yes but then all other cricket threads also discuss the predictions and outcomes of the matches but in their onw domain like T20, ODI and Test cricket. And in this thread we can discuss all three of them at the same time. Quite redundant i think. Similarly we can discuss the administrative stuff in those others cricketing thread too.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 15, 2022, 09:22:25 AM

The next ICC chairman shouldn't be from India or Pakistan but some other country.

Because if someone from India takes the chair then that individual could potentially start a discussion of PIG-3 type model again (financially).

And if Rambo becomes the head then he'll surely push for PIG-4 series model, he was very vocal about it in the ICC meetings.

Pig-3 model was thrown in the dust-bin a few years ago and I don't think that it will be possible to revive it no matter how much the BCCI, ECB and CA try. By now the lower tier test nations have realized the danger in having the pig-3 financial model, and all of them are solidly against that idea. And the voting structure of ICC has also changed, giving two additional slots to Afghanistan and Ireland. For the pig-3 nations, it won't be easy to garner the required majority (9 out of 16 votes) for any such proposal.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 15, 2022, 09:22:25 AM

The next ICC chairman shouldn't be from India or Pakistan but some other country.

Because if someone from India takes the chair then that individual could potentially start a discussion of PIG-3 type model again (financially).

And if Rambo becomes the head then he'll surely push for PIG-4 series model, he was very vocal about it in the ICC meetings.

It really is something I have no idea about even if someone outside India or Pakistan becomes the new Chairman of the ICC, they are not allowed to talk about the big four countries. I think anyone from India, Australia, New Zealand, or England is inclined to hope for the best of the big four. At this point, I think even the International Cricket Council might be in favor of this happening.

It is also my impression that I and a lot of other people like me are very concerned about the new ICC Chairman working honestly. At this point, I personally do not care who comes and sits on the chair at the moment. As long as he is honest, he has a good chance of getting the job. For some reason, I believe that this is the one criterion that no one is going to be able to fulfill.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 15, 2022, 09:09:02 AM

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. It is entirely another topic that at least in a few countries, politicians are more than interested in the running of cricket bodies.

Yes that quite true. In Pakistan PCB head is taken as lucrative job and is given to one who is politicly affiliated with present government. There are many players in Pakistan who are selected on basis of nepotism like imam ul haq, usman qadir, Azam Khan.

Well.. I thought that PCB is moving in the right direction. Ever since Ramiz Raja became the Chairman of the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB), they have implemented many revolutionary changes. And this has not just benefitted the men's team, but also the women's and U-19 teams. Recently they started a U-19 franchise league, which is the first by any ICC member nation. If Ramiz remains as the chairman for another 2-3 years, then cricket in Pakistan would be in much better shape. And also, I believe that PCB should nominate him for the post of ICC chairman next month.

@bitgov, I am going to say something which might be a bit controversial. But I believe that nepotism doesn't matter as long as the product of nepotism is giving you successful results. It is obvious that if the product of nepotism is incapable of producing effective results, then it must be changed. But if they are giving results, I have no problem with that.

@Sithara007, I completely agree with you that since Ramiz Raja became the chairman of the Pakistan cricket board, things are looking rosy for Pakistan. And I am not talking about only the Pakistan national team. I am talking about Pakistan cricket as a whole. We are also able to see improvement in Pakistan women’s cricket. And the recent performance of Pakistan's men's team has also been quite impressive. So I don't see any reason to complain.

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