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Quote from: Haunebu on August 04, 2022, 12:13:04 AM

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Agreed. They have been accepting black players for a long time now and some of them have established themselves as legends in the world of Cricket.

Players like Rabada etc are some great examples. They just need a solid captain like Smith to guide them.

Rabada is nowhere near legends such as Alan Donald or Dale Steyn. And even if we consider him as one of the success stories of the quota system, for every success there are 10 unsuccessful experiments such as Bavuma and Pehlukwayo. I don't even want to mention dozens of promising players, who quit South Africa because they felt humiliated after being told that they couldn't be selected because of their skin color. What happened before 1994 is bad. But that shouldn't be used as a justification to discriminate against a racial group, especially those who born after 1994.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 04, 2022, 12:13:04 AM

Quote from: minairia3 on August 03, 2022, 10:33:41 AM

For a long time, South Africa had to face a lot of problems. In particular, the system in which black people were forbidden from mixing with white people and vice versa had lowered the level of South African cricket substantially. I actually forgot what it was called.

Agreed. They have been accepting black players for a long time now and some of them have established themselves as legends in the world of Cricket.

Players like Rabada etc are some great examples. They just need a solid captain like Smith to guide them.

South Africa is good and rich in sports culture, but sadly they are now having many problems in last three decades which are preventing them from having strong domestic system which is essential for any country's development in sports.

They have work on domestic level which is very important because this can bring some good talent and also helpful for ending color race which is currently the biggest issue in their system and sports.

If they can bring 10 to 12 teams in every sports then surely they can take good advantage in every game which is going to be big success for them, but sadly we never have any development in this way, and they are still fighting for quota and other baseless things which will never help them for going to be strong in sports as they are in Rugby right now.

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Quote from: dezoel on August 03, 2022, 03:02:18 AM

If they can solve this issue then surely they could be one of the best team again in very less time but sadly nothing positive happening even now too many commissions and other issues are creating more mess up.

These board issues won't go away anytime soon. The entire team is performing well regardless of these issues which is what primarily matters at the end of the day. If they keep this up, they will surely win many big tournaments in the future in my honest opinion.

Quote from: minairia3 on August 03, 2022, 10:33:41 AM

For a long time, South Africa had to face a lot of problems. In particular, the system in which black people were forbidden from mixing with white people and vice versa had lowered the level of South African cricket substantially. I actually forgot what it was called.

Agreed. They have been accepting black players for a long time now and some of them have established themselves as legends in the world of Cricket.

Players like Rabada etc are some great examples. They just need a solid captain like Smith to guide them.

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Some good news related to the 2028 LA Olympics. The IOC (International Olympic Committee) has shortlisted cricket as one of the 9 sports that will be reviewed for addition to the 2028 Games. A few months back, there was a lot of controversy, because the IOC had stated that the ICC hasn't made any application despite repeated reminders. ICC was claiming that they are trying hard for the Olympic inclusion, but they refused to submit the application on time. After the statement from the IOC, the ICC was forced to submit the application.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/cricket-shortlisted-for-review-by-the-olympic-committee-1327474

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 03, 2022, 11:20:43 AM

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Any upgraded contract from any cricket board would not address IPL situation but new random franchise cricket around the world.
For ex CA trying to work on Warner etc contract as they want him to play in BBL. BBL's last leg is clashing with UAE league and latter is offering big amount of money for just 15 days.
Also leagues like UAE came up with some ridiculous idea. Teams are allowed to have 9 foreign players + 2 local players, which means high demand for foreign players in specific window.

Salaries are shockingly low in the BBL and that is the reason why a large number of the Australian players don't want any association with that league. And also, I am not surprised with the overseas quota in the UAE league. Even the 2 "local" players in the XI are likely to be foreign citizens as they don't have any native players. All that said, the Emirates Cricket Board is one of the richest in the world and they can afford to pay huge salaries to star players. Other leagues will have a hard time competing with them for players.

Low salaries are part of it but not the main problem.
Summer is considered best season to play cricket in Australia that's why Nov-Jan is always booked with some kind of high profile test series (boxing day etc).
Problem is they keep BBL schedule at the same time and it's a long schedule for some weird reason which i don't know. And when schedule get relaxed then no high profile players subscribes to local franchise.

Yes, I agree but the salaries are also part of the problem. According to some players, they are getting paid so much in the IPL and the salary in the BBL is nothing compared to that. However, there are other problems as well, like the IPL which was the first of its kind and will always have a large number of fans and viewers.

Doesn’t matter how old it gets. The population of India itself is enough to generate enough revenue. But on the other hand, cricket is not the only sport that is popular in Australia. So the population is quite divided in terms of what sports they like. So the revenue also gets divided. It is not necessarily a bad thing for Australia but it is not necessarily the best thing for cricket as well.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 03, 2022, 10:49:03 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on August 03, 2022, 08:58:51 AM

Any upgraded contract from any cricket board would not address IPL situation but new random franchise cricket around the world.

For ex CA trying to work on Warner etc contract as they want him to play in BBL. BBL's last leg is clashing with UAE league and latter is offering big amount of money for just 15 days.

Also leagues like UAE came up with some ridiculous idea. Teams are allowed to have 9 foreign players + 2 local players, which means high demand for foreign players in specific window.

Salaries are shockingly low in the BBL and that is the reason why a large number of the Australian players don't want any association with that league. And also, I am not surprised with the overseas quota in the UAE league. Even the 2 "local" players in the XI are likely to be foreign citizens as they don't have any native players. All that said, the Emirates Cricket Board is one of the richest in the world and they can afford to pay huge salaries to star players. Other leagues will have a hard time competing with them for players.

Low salaries are part of it but not the main problem.

Summer is considered best season to play cricket in Australia that's why Nov-Jan is always booked with some kind of high profile test series (boxing day etc).

Problem is they keep BBL schedule at the same time and it's a long schedule for some weird reason which i don't know. And when schedule get relaxed then no high profile players subscribes to local franchise.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 03, 2022, 08:58:51 AM

Any upgraded contract from any cricket board would not address IPL situation but new random franchise cricket around the world.

For ex CA trying to work on Warner etc contract as they want him to play in BBL. BBL's last leg is clashing with UAE league and latter is offering big amount of money for just 15 days.

Also leagues like UAE came up with some ridiculous idea. Teams are allowed to have 9 foreign players + 2 local players, which means high demand for foreign players in specific window.

Salaries are shockingly low in the BBL and that is the reason why a large number of the Australian players don't want any association with that league. And also, I am not surprised with the overseas quota in the UAE league. Even the 2 "local" players in the XI are likely to be foreign citizens as they don't have any native players. All that said, the Emirates Cricket Board is one of the richest in the world and they can afford to pay huge salaries to star players. Other leagues will have a hard time competing with them for players.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 03, 2022, 12:20:13 AM

South Africa have been rebounding really well across all formats these days which surprised me initially since they were struggling for sometime ever since legends like Smith, ABD etc retired completely.
I feel that they could win the upcoming World Cups(T-20 and ODI) if they continue playing in this manner. Great turnaround overall.

I also agree that this is a commendable performance from South Africa. Especially with a lot of bigger teams like India not being in the strongest position currently, especially with Virat Kohli not being able to perform well. Who is one of the leading players not just in India but around the world. South Africa should believe in themselves. They just beat England quite convincingly and comfortably.

For a long time, South Africa had to face a lot of problems. In particular, the system in which black people were forbidden from mixing with white people and vice versa had lowered the level of South African cricket substantially. I actually forgot what it was called.

But right now it’s encouraging to see that they were able to overcome those problems. I believe they will be able to play better even though they don’t have talented players like AB de Villiers on the team anymore.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 03, 2022, 01:53:48 AM

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The players are going to benefit financially. But it will come at a cost. Star players may resign from international cricket early, to focus solely on franchise cricket.

Boards will introduce lucrative contracts. Last i heard Aus and NZ are already exploring this space. Smaller boards will face problems for sure.

How much lucrative these national contracts can be? Now it is no longer a surprise when the IPL franchises pay more than $2 million per year for a player. Can the national boards come anywhere near these amounts? I am sure that even the richest boards outside India, such as ECB and CA will find it extremely difficult to match these numbers. And forget about the smaller boards. They are nowhere in picture. Some of them such as CSA have resorted to blackmail, by withholding NOC from the players. Not going to work.

Any upgraded contract from any cricket board would not address IPL situation but new random franchise cricket around the world.

For ex CA trying to work on Warner etc contract as they want him to play in BBL. BBL's last leg is clashing with UAE league and latter is offering big amount of money for just 15 days.

Also leagues like UAE came up with some ridiculous idea. Teams are allowed to have 9 foreign players + 2 local players, which means high demand for foreign players in specific window.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 03, 2022, 12:20:13 AM

South Africa have been rebounding really well across all formats these days which surprised me initially since they were struggling for sometime ever since legends like Smith, ABD etc retired completely.

I feel that they could win the upcoming World Cups(T-20 and ODI) if they continue playing in this manner. Great turnaround overall.

There is no doubt South Africa has good quality players those can bounce back in any condition but sadly right now inner politics are going to be big problem for them, and they are suffering badly with this all in last few years sadly they have some serious corruption issues but now black authorities are not going to check into this, and they have just one concern that quota system and bringing black players even they have no quality which is surely a problem now.

In last thirty years they fail to bring black players on good quality even they have good domestic system is big question mark for the management with this all too many white players are also suffering even few are already out of country for better opportunities.

If they can solve this issue then surely they could be one of the best team again in very less time but sadly nothing positive happening even now too many commissions and other issues are creating more mess up.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 03, 2022, 12:30:57 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on August 02, 2022, 10:57:19 PM

The players are going to benefit financially. But it will come at a cost. Star players may resign from international cricket early, to focus solely on franchise cricket.

Boards will introduce lucrative contracts. Last i heard Aus and NZ are already exploring this space. Smaller boards will face problems for sure.

How much lucrative these national contracts can be? Now it is no longer a surprise when the IPL franchises pay more than $2 million per year for a player. Can the national boards come anywhere near these amounts? I am sure that even the richest boards outside India, such as ECB and CA will find it extremely difficult to match these numbers. And forget about the smaller boards. They are nowhere in picture. Some of them such as CSA have resorted to blackmail, by withholding NOC from the players. Not going to work.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on August 02, 2022, 10:37:31 PM

However there’s just one point bothering me, what if this move increases match fixing which we often feel happens in IPL, what do you think about this?.

IMO Fixing in cricket is not going anywhere. The best all cricket governing bodies can do is keep an eye on scale as this impact the image of cricket. They can strengthen the existing fixing laws, brief and educate cricketers especially in domestic circuit, extra funding in such departments might help in the longer run.

Quote from: Sithara007 on August 02, 2022, 10:57:19 PM

The players are going to benefit financially. But it will come at a cost. Star players may resign from international cricket early, to focus solely on franchise cricket.

Boards will introduce lucrative contracts. Last i heard Aus and NZ are already exploring this space. Smaller boards will face problems for sure.

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South Africa have been rebounding really well across all formats these days which surprised me initially since they were struggling for sometime ever since legends like Smith, ABD etc retired completely.

I feel that they could win the upcoming World Cups(T-20 and ODI) if they continue playing in this manner. Great turnaround overall.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on August 02, 2022, 10:37:31 PM

I personally feel that this is a right step, because not all boards can afford to pay their player’s or give them the platform too grow and if these franchise’s pay these player’s then I see nothing wrong with it.

Furthermore I expect many ex and current player’s to revolt against this plan, but in the long run I feel that it’ll do wonders for the cricket world. However there’s just one point bothering me, what if this move increases match fixing which we often feel happens in IPL, what do you think about this?.

The players are going to benefit financially. But it will come at a cost. Star players may resign from international cricket early, to focus solely on franchise cricket. The best example is West Indies, which has to play most of it's matches without Narine, Pollard and Russell. And obviously, match fixing is a big curse as far as cricket is considered. And unlike FIFA, which has managed to stamp out corruption to a great degree, the ICC has so far failed to do so. Even if some action is taken, it is always against the fringe players and the weaker boards.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 02, 2022, 01:43:54 PM

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I've said this before. ICC is going to be caught with their pants down when powerful franchises move their pieces on chess board -IPL franchise-. It's already started happening with all franchise diversifying their investments in different leagues.

Time will come when franchises are going to hire players for full season and they will represent these franchise in UAE, SA, CPL, IPL (possibly The 100 and BBL in future) and so on. This will weaken bilateral cricket mainly white ball. In that case voting can be manipulated if someone play their cards right. IMO Along with voting rights, multi nation ICC tournaments should become reality.

Completely agreed. Cricket is rapidly shifting from a country-based structure to a franchise-based structure. This happened with football many decades ago. Anyway, I am not going to mourn about the death of bilateral cricket. Apart from a few exceptions, it has become too boring. The pig-4 may still continue with the bilateral games. But if franchise cricket becomes even more popular, then smaller boards such as WICB, CSA and BCB will find difficulty in forcing the players to give preference to the national team instead of the franchises.

I don't care about white ball bilateral cricket either (i'm satisfied with T-20, ODI wc after 2 and 4 years) but yeah if new setup affecting test format then there may be some outcry from the old guards.

Although we have to wait more as jury still out on this new realities, it's going to be very painful for the cricket boards but players would be biggest beneficiary.

I personally feel that this is a right step, because not all boards can afford to pay their player’s or give them the platform too grow and if these franchise’s pay these player’s then I see nothing wrong with it.

Furthermore I expect many ex and current player’s to revolt against this plan, but in the long run I feel that it’ll do wonders for the cricket world. However there’s just one point bothering me, what if this move increases match fixing which we often feel happens in IPL, what do you think about this?.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 02, 2022, 01:43:54 PM

I don't care about white ball bilateral cricket either (i'm satisfied with T-20, ODI wc after 2 and 4 years) but yeah if new setup affecting test format then there may be some outcry from the old guards.

Although we have to wait more as jury still out on this new realities, it's going to be very painful for the cricket boards but players would be biggest beneficiary.

It will impact test cricket for sure. 90% of the test matches that are being played now are a waste of time, especially those being played by teams outside the pig-4. Most of these matches are one-sided and doesn't contribute to anything in terms of class. I am not talking about Ashes, Gavaskar-Border or Trans-Tasman, but even these series are now becoming less attractive due to the fact that we don't have classy test players nowadays. Most of the players concentrate on T20 format, because that is where the money lies.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 01, 2022, 09:20:28 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on July 31, 2022, 11:13:49 AM

I've said this before. ICC is going to be caught with their pants down when powerful franchises move their pieces on chess board -IPL franchise-. It's already started happening with all franchise diversifying their investments in different leagues.

Time will come when franchises are going to hire players for full season and they will represent these franchise in UAE, SA, CPL, IPL (possibly The 100 and BBL in future) and so on. This will weaken bilateral cricket mainly white ball. In that case voting can be manipulated if someone play their cards right. IMO Along with voting rights, multi nation ICC tournaments should become reality.

Completely agreed. Cricket is rapidly shifting from a country-based structure to a franchise-based structure. This happened with football many decades ago. Anyway, I am not going to mourn about the death of bilateral cricket. Apart from a few exceptions, it has become too boring. The pig-4 may still continue with the bilateral games. But if franchise cricket becomes even more popular, then smaller boards such as WICB, CSA and BCB will find difficulty in forcing the players to give preference to the national team instead of the franchises.

I don't care about white ball bilateral cricket either (i'm satisfied with T-20, ODI wc after 2 and 4 years) but yeah if new setup affecting test format then there may be some outcry from the old guards.

Although we have to wait more as jury still out on this new realities, it's going to be very painful for the cricket boards but players would be biggest beneficiary.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 01, 2022, 09:20:28 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on July 31, 2022, 11:13:49 AM

I've said this before. ICC is going to be caught with their pants down when powerful franchises move their pieces on chess board -IPL franchise-. It's already started happening with all franchise diversifying their investments in different leagues.
Time will come when franchises are going to hire players for full season and they will represent these franchise in UAE, SA, CPL, IPL (possibly The 100 and BBL in future) and so on. This will weaken bilateral cricket mainly white ball. In that case voting can be manipulated if someone play their cards right. IMO Along with voting rights, multi nation ICC tournaments should become reality.

Completely agreed. Cricket is rapidly shifting from a country-based structure to a franchise-based structure. This happened with football many decades ago. Anyway, I am not going to mourn about the death of bilateral cricket. Apart from a few exceptions, it has become too boring. The pig-4 may still continue with the bilateral games. But if franchise cricket becomes even more popular, then smaller boards such as WICB, CSA and BCB will find difficulty in forcing the players to give preference to the national team instead of the franchises.

Personally, I actually think that cricket is going through a hard time right now. To be honest it does not feel like ICC is there for the upgradation of cricket. It is quite inevitable that ICC is obviously going to lose its authority over the team, I mean whatever they had left to authorize over the teams. Besides, there is nothing very interesting going on in international cricket. We have a few big tournaments coming up. But I am quite sure after those tournaments it is going to be the same story again.

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Quote from: JSRAW on July 31, 2022, 11:13:49 AM

I've said this before. ICC is going to be caught with their pants down when powerful franchises move their pieces on chess board -IPL franchise-. It's already started happening with all franchise diversifying their investments in different leagues.

Time will come when franchises are going to hire players for full season and they will represent these franchise in UAE, SA, CPL, IPL (possibly The 100 and BBL in future) and so on. This will weaken bilateral cricket mainly white ball. In that case voting can be manipulated if someone play their cards right. IMO Along with voting rights, multi nation ICC tournaments should become reality.

Completely agreed. Cricket is rapidly shifting from a country-based structure to a franchise-based structure. This happened with football many decades ago. Anyway, I am not going to mourn about the death of bilateral cricket. Apart from a few exceptions, it has become too boring. The pig-4 may still continue with the bilateral games. But if franchise cricket becomes even more popular, then smaller boards such as WICB, CSA and BCB will find difficulty in forcing the players to give preference to the national team instead of the franchises.

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Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on August 01, 2022, 01:03:52 PM

Quote from: BobK71 on August 01, 2022, 12:12:10 PM

Here we need to know who are the managing committee in ICC? ? Where they come from? These answer will clarify where is the problem? Politics is everywhere in today's world, when these Politics are applied to any organization, it can no longer function as it should. Cricket would have reached a better place today if there was no favoritism by the senior officials of the ICC in cricket.

Cricket is as old as other popular games like football and rugby but the point is cricket even a century old game is limited to 8 test playing teams only? Who is responsible for this mess. If you dig deep then it's very much clear that icc and big 3 don't want more countries to join in.

Test cricket is never been easy format and two decades back this was completely bore because most of the matches were ended in a draw so no one was interested in this format and until now we have total 12 teams from these just 8 are in better shape and others are down or going out in near future even now things are completely change, and we have some very good change in this format as well thanks for T20 cricket.

But, this need some good skills and better resources which is not working right now for many countries even countries like West Indies, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka badly struggling, so we can't do any positive development in this format and no more countries can adopt this as well.

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