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Quote from: subSTRATA on July 02, 2015, 01:21:18 PM

Quote from: arallmuus on July 02, 2015, 01:18:24 PM

Quote from: tsoPANos on July 02, 2015, 12:59:15 PM

I would have exploited the flaw and only after I earn some serious btc

A "flaw" in this case is not the kinda "flaw" that was used by hufflepuff that could grant you ten or hundreds of BTC instantly and ensure you will win and become rich overnight ( it seems some people are getting the wrong idea about +EV )

It is a flaw that makes you have the +EV which means that it wont make you rich overnight and also unless you have a bankroll and proper management to use this, it wont work . You could suffer some losses before profit and time is the guarantee that you will get profit if you play it well.

Quote from: trafficolaa on July 02, 2015, 01:04:10 PM

i will also wait to hear from dooglus about this strategy how is that effective in long term gambling.

If it is truly a strategy that will give you +EV then there is no doubt in the long term you will be getting profit. To put it simpler, imagine yourself that you own a gambling sites ( that means you have +EV ) .In one night timeframe, you cant be a rich man but in the long term you will get some profit eventually

+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1

people here seem to think that +EV means becoming the next hufflepuff, completely agree. people here think that "lolwhy is he selling this is he can become hufflepuff!!!! lol!!!!"
there's your answer; I dont have the patience nor the resources to dedicate to this, in addition, this is gambling of all things, profit is not 100% guaranteed.

But if enough people know the trick and with enough days the casino will go broke pretty fast, as i said only if few people know it and they are using it against the casino and it seems that a good amount of people know it

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Quote from: subSTRATA on July 02, 2015, 01:28:14 PM

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 02, 2015, 01:26:33 PM

Anybody care to elaborate on the 'hufflepuff' story? I've been investing in BTC for around 18 months & on bitcointalk.org for nearly a year but I've only been active in the gambling section for 3-4 months.
What's the story on hufflepuff, I've seen things mentioned before but never got the full story?

heres the link to the story that was just released: https://medium.com/@Stunna/breaking-the-house-63f1021a3e6d

basically, hufflepuff found a way to cheat the provably fair system and managed to walk away with 2000+ btc from primedice.

Just reading about it right now, absolutely terrible. He walked away with 1 million USD (at the time) worth of bitcoin.
Unbelievable. He then returned with another account & tried it again but only managed to get away with 50-60 coins.
That sucks to be honest, I presume because of the nature of bitcoin & his anonymity no legal proceedings were able to be taken. Sorry for going off topic, awful story though.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 02, 2015, 01:26:33 PM

Anybody care to elaborate on the 'hufflepuff' story? I've been investing in BTC for around 18 months & on bitcointalk.org for nearly a year but I've only been active in the gambling section for 3-4 months.
What's the story on hufflepuff, I've seen things mentioned before but never got the full story?

heres the link to the story that was just released: https://medium.com/@Stunna/breaking-the-house-63f1021a3e6d

basically, hufflepuff found a way to cheat the provably fair system and managed to walk away with 2000+ btc from primedice.

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Anybody care to elaborate on the 'hufflepuff' story? I've been investing in BTC for around 18 months & on bitcointalk.org for nearly a year but I've only been active in the gambling section for 3-4 months.
What's the story on hufflepuff, I've seen things mentioned before but never got the full story?

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Quote from: arallmuus on July 02, 2015, 01:18:24 PM

Quote from: tsoPANos on July 02, 2015, 12:59:15 PM

I would have exploited the flaw and only after I earn some serious btc

A "flaw" in this case is not the kinda "flaw" that was used by hufflepuff that could grant you ten or hundreds of BTC instantly and ensure you will win and become rich overnight ( it seems some people are getting the wrong idea about +EV )

It is a flaw that makes you have the +EV which means that it wont make you rich overnight and also unless you have a bankroll and proper management to use this, it wont work . You could suffer some losses before profit and time is the guarantee that you will get profit if you play it well.

Quote from: trafficolaa on July 02, 2015, 01:04:10 PM

i will also wait to hear from dooglus about this strategy how is that effective in long term gambling.

If it is truly a strategy that will give you +EV then there is no doubt in the long term you will be getting profit. To put it simpler, imagine yourself that you own a gambling sites ( that means you have +EV ) .In one night timeframe, you cant be a rich man but in the long term you will get some profit eventually

+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1

people here seem to think that +EV means becoming the next hufflepuff, completely agree. people here think that "lolwhy is he selling this is he can become hufflepuff!!!! lol!!!!"
there's your answer; I dont have the patience nor the resources to dedicate to this, in addition, this is gambling of all things, profit is not 100% guaranteed.

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Quote from: tsoPANos on July 02, 2015, 12:59:15 PM

I would have exploited the flaw and only after I earn some serious btc

A "flaw" in this case is not the kinda "flaw" that was used by hufflepuff that could grant you ten or hundreds of BTC instantly and ensure you will win and become rich overnight ( it seems some people are getting the wrong idea about +EV )

It is a flaw that makes you have the +EV which means that it wont make you rich overnight and also unless you have a bankroll and proper management to use this, it wont work . You could suffer some losses before profit and time is the guarantee that you will get profit if you play it well.

Quote from: trafficolaa on July 02, 2015, 01:04:10 PM

i will also wait to hear from dooglus about this strategy how is that effective in long term gambling.

If it is truly a strategy that will give you +EV then there is no doubt in the long term you will be getting profit. To put it simpler, imagine yourself that you own a gambling sites ( that means you have +EV ) .In one night timeframe, you cant be a rich man but in the long term you will get some profit eventually

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I am interested to see what the O.P. has found. If it's not an error with the site or a hack I am interested. Keep us updated OP when your ready to release what you found.

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So it seems there is some kind of bug at a dice site which makes you +EV as i understand from the dooglus words, i will also wait to hear from dooglus about this strategy how is that effective in long term gambling.

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If I were you op, I would have exploited the flaw and only after I earn some serious btc I would have created that thread. And I didn't. Wink

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Quote from: arallmuus on July 02, 2015, 12:41:34 PM

Quote from: fox19891989 on July 02, 2015, 12:25:28 PM

I am pretty sure if you sell this method and some people will give you neg feedback if your method won't be working.

Just to be clear, having +EV strategy (if it is real) doesnt mean that you will be rich overnight. It takes some times and combined with a decent bankroll and proper financial management then in a long term you could get a profit from this , considering that the "dice site" hasnt find out about this yet .
The same thing as running gambling sites which has +EV and there isnt any gambling sites operator that become rich in a single nights . +EV is just some kind of "guarantee" that you will be in profit in long term though

The neutral feedback is probably just as a precautions. As I've read the previous posts, it seems like dooglus is doing what his best of regarding the so called +EV strategy. Once Dooglus clarify on this matter, Im sure Shitaifan will remove the feedback.

This rating is probably due to the title,

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lets say I had a +EV method for a dice site, how much would you pay to know it?

The word "how much would you pay" is kinda missleading if you hadnt read the whole content that Substrata is actually asking dooglus to check on it first

true, might have been a miswording on my part, which may have led to some misunderstandings, just couldnt find a better word at that time. i won't change it now, since a lot has been discussed on this already; just going to wait on dooglus just as I expect a lot of others are doing as well, especially after dadice backed my claim.

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Quote from: fox19891989 on July 02, 2015, 12:25:28 PM

I am pretty sure if you sell this method and some people will give you neg feedback if your method won't be working.

Just to be clear, having +EV strategy (if it is real) doesnt mean that you will be rich overnight. It takes some times and combined with a decent bankroll and proper financial management then in a long term you could get a profit from this , considering that the "dice site" hasnt find out about this yet .
The same thing as running gambling sites which has +EV and there isnt any gambling sites operator that become rich in a single nights . +EV is just some kind of "guarantee" that you will be in profit in long term though

The neutral feedback is probably just as a precautions. As I've read the previous posts, it seems like dooglus is doing what his best of regarding the so called +EV strategy. Once Dooglus clarify on this matter, Im sure Shitaifan will remove the feedback.

This rating is probably due to the title,

Code:

lets say I had a +EV method for a dice site, how much would you pay to know it?

The word "how much would you pay" is kinda missleading if you hadnt read the whole content that Substrata is actually asking dooglus to check on it first

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Quote from: subSTRATA on July 02, 2015, 10:26:33 AM

Quote from: Mist on July 02, 2015, 10:21:44 AM

I wont say the site/sites that you can do this on for the sake of Sub. The one hint I'm going to give is "stupidly low house edge".
EDIT: The hell are people leaving neutral feedback on sub for btw. He isnt doing anything wrong.

exactly, i havent done anything yet; in fact im withholding all possible info so that I can protect the site from imminent abuse.

lmao, I am very hilarious to see your new trust!!!@ "claims to have a +EV strategy he wants to sell for a certain casino he's not going to name. no proof yet, be very cautious dealing with this one, guys!"

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Although it is a neutral one, it still funny cos you didn't sell anything, lmao. I am pretty sure if you sell this method and some people will give you neg feedback if your method won't be working.

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Quote from: Mist on July 02, 2015, 11:08:24 AM

Quote from: subSTRATA on July 02, 2015, 10:55:22 AM

Quote from: dadice on July 02, 2015, 10:52:25 AM

Quote from: Mist on July 02, 2015, 10:48:27 AM

Alright, it seems it is not bustabit/ttm. That wasnt my original guess but it is a good candidate. However it does say "dice" in the title.

Well, I would suggest that means any site that is offering some kind of Dice games.

i mean, i did put "dice" in the title for a reason, I honestly dont know why bustabit/ttm was even suggested. its straight up dice, high/low.

It was mentioned because it is extremely simple to get +EV there. So it would fit the "+EV method" part.

Im not sure what you mean, if it really was so easy to get +EV there with only 1 person and seems like a few know about it that site would go down pretty quickly, using the kelly betting formula would pretty much guarantee you the win

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Quote from: subSTRATA on July 02, 2015, 10:55:22 AM

Quote from: dadice on July 02, 2015, 10:52:25 AM

Quote from: Mist on July 02, 2015, 10:48:27 AM

Alright, it seems it is not bustabit/ttm. That wasnt my original guess but it is a good candidate. However it does say "dice" in the title.

Well, I would suggest that means any site that is offering some kind of Dice games.

i mean, i did put "dice" in the title for a reason, I honestly dont know why bustabit/ttm was even suggested. its straight up dice, high/low.

It was mentioned because it is extremely simple to get +EV there. So it would fit the "+EV method" part.

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Quote from: dadice on July 02, 2015, 10:52:25 AM

Quote from: Mist on July 02, 2015, 10:48:27 AM

Alright, it seems it is not bustabit/ttm. That wasnt my original guess but it is a good candidate. However it does say "dice" in the title.

Well, I would suggest that means any site that is offering some kind of Dice games.

i mean, i did put "dice" in the title for a reason, I honestly dont know why bustabit/ttm was even suggested. its straight up dice, high/low.

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Quote from: Mist on July 02, 2015, 10:48:27 AM

Alright, it seems it is not bustabit/ttm. That wasnt my original guess but it is a good candidate. However it does say "dice" in the title.

Well, I would suggest that means any site that is offering some kind of Dice games. Bustabit, which is a great site, is not. I can confirm this also on the examples given to me. So we can exclude Bustabit.

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Alright, it seems it is not bustabit/ttm. That wasnt my original guess but it is a good candidate. However it does say "dice" in the title.

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Quote from: dadice on July 02, 2015, 10:40:19 AM

there is actually a flaw and +EV is possible.

Dooglus is aware of the site's URL and will for sure in the next couple of hours check it out and shed some light on it here.

If it is a flaw / bug then Sub will get a huge reward for that and with dooglus vouch then it will be great. If the site owner dont reward sub handsomely then I bet people will buy this from sub and burn the house.

Quote from: subSTRATA on July 02, 2015, 10:38:01 AM

Quote from: Mist on July 02, 2015, 10:34:31 AM

Quote from: cazkooo on July 02, 2015, 10:28:40 AM

I finally get the idea of this. Is this particular site is bustabit or tothemoon? Because with the bonus thing, it is easy to have a +EV for you but as always it wont work because you may crash before you cashed out.

Quote from: subSTRATA on July 02, 2015, 10:12:54 AM

i realize that, i just find it hilarious when people say "caution!!!11111 use escrow and caution when dealing with this user!1!1" when I literally havent done anything yet.

This is what this trust system is. People can leave anything that they want and also that there is a slogan that innocent until proven guilty is not a thing here because it is guilty until proven innocent

I'll let sub answer that, however it is very easy to get +EV on those 2 sites. Hell, might even be some public strategy that give you that.

well i have done the whole pm exchange with dadice, their response is coming, and as a dice site owner, hopefully their input will matter.

Well I just noticed that title is DICE sites so it may not be possible that it is bustabit or tothemoon. I could not think of any site around here that has some flaw in their system

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I am glad that the OP shared some information with me.

1. He did not mention the site, so I don't have a clue which site he is talking about.
2. I couldn't try myself, since I don't know the site.
3. He did however gave me some basic examples of bets, and if that is a fact, I would suggest that there is actually a flaw and +EV is possible.

Dooglus is aware of the site's URL and will for sure in the next couple of hours check it out and shed some light on it here.

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Quote from: Mist on July 02, 2015, 10:34:31 AM

Quote from: cazkooo on July 02, 2015, 10:28:40 AM

I finally get the idea of this. Is this particular site is bustabit or tothemoon? Because with the bonus thing, it is easy to have a +EV for you but as always it wont work because you may crash before you cashed out.

Quote from: subSTRATA on July 02, 2015, 10:12:54 AM

i realize that, i just find it hilarious when people say "caution!!!11111 use escrow and caution when dealing with this user!1!1" when I literally havent done anything yet.

This is what this trust system is. People can leave anything that they want and also that there is a slogan that innocent until proven guilty is not a thing here because it is guilty until proven innocent

I'll let sub answer that, however it is very easy to get +EV on those 2 sites. Hell, might even be some public strategy that give you that.

well i have done the whole pm exchange with dadice, their response is coming, and as a dice site owner, hopefully their input will matter.

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