Topic: crypto-games.net, 30% house edge, bugs and vulnerabilities, screw the investors! - page 19. (Read 13017 times)

It's not impossible at all. DaDice for instance has a jackpot that pays out 20 million satoshis for a 1 satoshi bet, and hits about 1 in 4 million rolls. That's massively +EV (except that the jackpot isn't at all provably fair, and it is really easy for them to cheat).

subSTRATA, if you want to PM me the details I'd be happy to check it out and confirm or deny. If you did find a problem I hope you would offer it to the site itself for a reasonable price first.

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But +EV is really all you need. Play long enough, apply proper bankroll management and you will win.

(Assuming of course that it really *is* +EV).

There's always luck involved and so it's possible to have short term losses. Think of counting cards at blackjack for instance. It's possible to have long losing sessions, but the odds are in your favour if you do it right, and so you will eventually end up ahead.

Edit2: Lots of people are saying it's not possible to find a +EV strategy. I wouldn't be so sure. There can be all kinds of problems with the implementation of a dice game. PRC dice used to roll high numbers more often than low numbers due to a bug, and so it was possible to have a +EV game just by rolling 'hi' every time. I can imagine a game where your payout is rounded up to the nearest satoshi rather than down, such that a 60% bet ends up paying 2x for small bets. That would be +EV. And so on.

+EV means "positive expected value", and basically just means that the odds are in your favour rather than against you.

Tons of other people have come to think that their method is +EV , but its impossible to have one unless there is an exploit. If there existed any such method all the casinos would have shut down by now.
But since you say a particular dice site, do you mean by an exploit ? As the factors which would make you think that would be max bet size and lowest bet possible on the site or a zero or negative house edge. There is no other different way to beat the house.

I'll send him a pm.

edit: sent, seems hes online so now we wait.

There is no way to get an edge. You could always lower it close to zero . Strategy or what do you call this but you have claim that this is not about getting bonus or strategy as well so there could be only 1 possibility for this, investing on the site ? However I dont think that it is this.

Have you contacted dooglus for a vouch yet for this? I will believe this only if he vouch you

I don't think Stunna will bother to verify your claims unless the dice site you are speaking about is PD.

And I don't know if Dooglus is too much active right now, and I don't know how sharp are his mathematical skills.

Maybe you are just having a lucky period. This is all I can think of.

If there's a house edge it can't be EV+. It just can't.

no offense, but I'm not giving this out to anyone just because they promise not to tell. also, you being just a full member, people might accuse a shill account or something. that's why I'm waiting for someone like dooglus or stunna to offer a vouch.

What the gentlemen is claiming is he has a way so instead of a 1% -EV game you're looking at, that you would have a mathmatical edge on your bets. While I would be extremely apprehensive about this, I would love to hear the actuarial calculations behind this being actually a +EV proposition.

I will keep it between me and the OP if he chooses, and while I wouldn't discuss his strategy (that's up to him) I would relay if his +EV claim is valid or not.

It is now in his court.

can't say, it depends on how far those select few are willing to abuse this, along with if they win or not. again, just having an edge doesn't guarantee bags of money growing on trees or anything.

Gonna wait for a vouch on this and see where it goes.. It sounds kinda impossible but let's see.

it's not some betting strategy like Martingale, it's just that on this particular site, it is possible to get an edge.

Hmm interesting. One more question, with more people knowing the method (since you mentioned you want to sell it to a few persons), will it become less or even no longer effective?

I do hope dooglus vouch for this but all I know that it is impossible to have +EV. A good strategy will get you near to zero EV  not make them +EV . Also that this is not clear, you mentioned that it works on a particular dice sites . It should works on any dice sites that have the same house edge since they are not different

no. it doesn't involve any sort of bonus or jackpot in any way. it's actually relatively simple.

Is your method something like playing lots of 0.000001 bets on fortunejack for the jackpot or by playing lots of bets on Dadice for the jackpot and special prize of the 500,000,000th bet?

this is gambling, I'm not giving any assurances on winning, nor will I ever claim to. as stated before, I just know a way to get +EV, nothing more, nothing less.

and I didn't do an exact calculation, because that involves effort, which is scarce this late at night, but it is +EV.

What does "+EV" mean?  As for how much I would pay, probably as much as I could afford to pay if it was impossible to lose with.  The only risk then would be that the dice site you were playing on didn't pay out, which, I doubt you would run into unless you were stupid enough to build up like a 2,3 BTC bankroll. 

I'm constantly calculating.  Frankly, this was my first consideration of +EV and had no idea of calculating it.  So I hate reading.  But I read about 1/3 of that page I linked and boom: calculations are flowing in my head.  So guess what I'm doing now, subSTRATA?  That's right, back at the simulator!  And... It's very interesting with the calc ideas I got from EV consideration and what that page had to say... In my very first sim run with a .1 bank I was up .04 at 17K bets before crashing out and losing about half the bank roll.     /sigh  /smh  ... back to the drawing board.

edit:  but that's the thing to remember here... If you can wipe out your bankroll in 17K rolls it's just as likely that you could wipe it out before even hitting .01 profit in just 1K rols.  You'd have to run the sims over and over again to find what "EV" looks appealing but even then when you go to gamble... it's in god's hands.

I didn't do a calculation mostly because I didn't want to do any math today, but it is +EV, that I'm fairly sure of.