Topic: Crypto stuck in sports betting site, now they want KYC - page 7. (Read 1073 times)
Since you are only asking for 12 hundred dollars amount , and I'm sure this is not that big for you as from States , then why not gamble to let that friend of your friend to present KYC for you? then split the funds in 3 equal parts and give them the 1 part as service fee(that will cost you at least 400$ ) but it is best than being caught of cheating as I believe that gambling site does not allow players not just from US but also to use VPN.
Well, I believe my recommendation is to give it a shot or to contact customer service. You have a very slim chance of getting your money back because it is against their terms of service, so your money is gone for good. What you should do now to give yourself some peace of mind is try to contact the support and explain the situation. We don't know if they allow it, but we'll try using a VPN to bypass their security, but if they do, it will only last a week before you're banned. So try to contact them via message and tell them the truth.
Yes, this is the latest trend with most of these new casinos...
1. They start by allowing EVERYONE to join, without any KYC requirements.... because they are building their Bankroll.
2. When they large enough and they have a big Bankroll, they simply implement KYC requirements to go legit and they piss on non-KYC users.
You run the risk that you might lose ALL the money by using someone in foreign countries, because these casinos run logs and they can see what the IP addresses were, before you verified your account and now suddenly someone from a "legit" country signs on with a different IP to verify.
Also, the "friends" in that other country might run with your money. (So I hope you trust them)
1. They start by allowing EVERYONE to join, without any KYC requirements.... because they are building their Bankroll.
2. When they large enough and they have a big Bankroll, they simply implement KYC requirements to go legit and they piss on non-KYC users.
You run the risk that you might lose ALL the money by using someone in foreign countries, because these casinos run logs and they can see what the IP addresses were, before you verified your account and now suddenly someone from a "legit" country signs on with a different IP to verify.
Also, the "friends" in that other country might run with your money. (So I hope you trust them)
Sad reality. Casino is your friend if you keep losing money to them and allow multiple deposit without any problem on KYC but once you're gonna withdraw money from them, They will pull out this well known trick and use There ToS against there user so that they will not have any problem about legality since its written on there terms that user agree during registration process.
Yes, this is the latest trend with most of these new casinos...
1. They start by allowing EVERYONE to join, without any KYC requirements.... because they are building their Bankroll.
2. When they large enough and they have a big Bankroll, they simply implement KYC requirements to go legit and they piss on non-KYC users.
You run the risk that you might lose ALL the money by using someone in foreign countries, because these casinos run logs and they can see what the IP addresses were, before you verified your account and now suddenly someone from a "legit" country signs on with a different IP to verify.
Also, the "friends" in that other country might run with your money. (So I hope you trust them)
1. They start by allowing EVERYONE to join, without any KYC requirements.... because they are building their Bankroll.
2. When they large enough and they have a big Bankroll, they simply implement KYC requirements to go legit and they piss on non-KYC users.
You run the risk that you might lose ALL the money by using someone in foreign countries, because these casinos run logs and they can see what the IP addresses were, before you verified your account and now suddenly someone from a "legit" country signs on with a different IP to verify.
Also, the "friends" in that other country might run with your money. (So I hope you trust them)
I'm from the states and have been using a betting website to do some light sports betting. They do not allow US citizens and so I used a VPN to gain access. They only require an email address to create an account, and no KYC unless you want to buy crypto directly from them. I will not name the site for various reasons.
Have you checked the site if they are allowing people to use VPN? because if not(and I am certain it is) then you are truly in trouble here because you violated their Terms of Service/condition.Quote
I have friends who have friends in other countries. Some of those friends of friends live in impoverished countries. What's stopping me from using them to KYC my account and then giving them a piece of the stuck funds? I would only need to gain access to retrieve the funds and would not continue to use the account or website.
Is this a good idea and do you think it will work? Worth the $1,200? My only hesitation at this point is asking the friend and they go through the hassle but then it goes sideways and still do not gain access to my account.
you can perform here but the thing is that are you sure they will going to give you the funds or will run with it since you cannot come to hunt them for that amount , remember in Online you cannot trust everyone specially someone you meet over internet. Is this a good idea and do you think it will work? Worth the $1,200? My only hesitation at this point is asking the friend and they go through the hassle but then it goes sideways and still do not gain access to my account.
This is not about if you give full KYC you'll get your $1,200 but this problem is about you're broking their rules and you need carefully to read their TOS against the penalty of broking their rules, if they stated they reserve the right to terminated your account including your funds... your KYC will be useless. Probably you can do research about am accusations of sports betting site you mentioned above, probably there's similar story and you can see how the sites handled it.
Sadly you already broke their terms and conditions by using VPN and fake numbers. Though if found someone to do KYC the phone number would be an issue again. Because the phone number you provided is from a restricted country. When you are using gambling sites read their terms and conditions. Violating that would lead to a loss like now. Often gambling sites look to eat your money, so they detect your violation somehow and wouldn't help you in these conditions. But if they are fair enough then likely there is hope. Otherwise hard to withdraw from there.
Once you do violate sites terms then dont expect that you would likely able to get your funds back, if it does then your lucky yet giving out reconsiderations would really vary on sites decision if they would give out some second change or would totally eat up your money.You dont have rights to whine or sue them out because on the time that you had made out registrations then it does
means that you do able to agree sites terms and since you had violated out something then its just right on whatever actions they would made.
The number that you put must the number of the country that you use on your VPN but you have entered a number from a different country because your in a hurry. It is your fault anyway. Lesson learned here is do not rush things especially if you know that your already in a risky situation.
The amount is not a big deal for you so why bother your friends? But, if you are sure that this trick would work and your friend will be safe from any risks then go on. Just give something to your friend after finishing the deal. Some sites allows VPN and if this is one of those sites then you should not be afraid of, just tell that you accidentally input a wrong country code.
The amount is not a big deal for you so why bother your friends? But, if you are sure that this trick would work and your friend will be safe from any risks then go on. Just give something to your friend after finishing the deal. Some sites allows VPN and if this is one of those sites then you should not be afraid of, just tell that you accidentally input a wrong country code.
Sadly you already broke their terms and conditions by using VPN and fake numbers. Though if found someone to do KYC the phone number would be an issue again. Because the phone number you provided is from a restricted country. When you are using gambling sites read their terms and conditions. Violating that would lead to a loss like now. Often gambling sites look to eat your money, so they detect your violation somehow and wouldn't help you in these conditions. But if they are fair enough then likely there is hope. Otherwise hard to withdraw from there.
I'm from the states and have been using a betting website to do some light sports betting. They do not allow US citizens and so I used a VPN to gain access.
Up to this point, if your identity is on the banned list you should admit you have broken the rules. And lucky if you have withdrawn $1.8k which is not legally your right. Actually you are free to try to withdraw that $1.2k as long as the legal consequences are at your own risk. The problem is you want to involve other people from other countries, so you have to explain the risks first instead of you offering your friends part of the money.
I suggest you don't proceed with withdrawing the remaining funds. Verification involving the identity of another person is too risky.
You should really mind off the risks once everything get busted and you would really be facing more or serious problem after wards.I do agree into that suggestion
on not to try out to withdraw the remaining amount but i couldnt blame because not all would really be taking lightly of this amount which it might really be
big for someone which isnt enough for them to ignore.
I'm from the states and have been using a betting website to do some light sports betting. They do not allow US citizens and so I used a VPN to gain access.
Up to this point, if your identity is on the banned list you should admit you have broken the rules. And lucky if you have withdrawn $1.8k which is not legally your right. Actually you are free to try to withdraw that $1.2k as long as the legal consequences are at your own risk. The problem is you want to involve other people from other countries, so you have to explain the risks first instead of you offering your friends part of the money.
I suggest you don't proceed with withdrawing the remaining funds. Verification involving the identity of another person is too risky.
I'm from the states and have been using a betting website to do some light sports betting. They do not allow US citizens and so I used a VPN to gain access. They only require an email address to create an account, and no KYC unless you want to buy crypto directly from them. I will not name the site for various reasons.
Anyways, sometimes I try to login to the site before setting my VPN and it simply tells me I'm in a restricted area. Never had any issues though, I just flip on the VPN and all good. I've been using this site for about 2 months now. Today I logged in and and it was requesting I input my phone number to proceed. It said I can withdraw funds but services were restricted until I enter my phone number. So I created a fake number from Hong Kong, and entered it in. It sent me a code and I entered it. Little did I know Hong Kong is also banned from this site (I know I know, I was just in a hurry to place a bet). Now my account is locked and they will not allow me access to even withdraw until I go through full KYC.
I have about $1,200 of BTC in there, nothing crazy. If I KYC myself they will simply say I broke their TOS and lock me out forever (I did the research on this already). KYC consists of ID, recent bills, and photo of yourself holding ID. The only piece of information this site has on me is an email address.
I have friends who have friends in other countries. Some of those friends of friends live in impoverished countries. What's stopping me from using them to KYC my account and then giving them a piece of the stuck funds? I would only need to gain access to retrieve the funds and would not continue to use the account or website.
Is this a good idea and do you think it will work? Worth the $1,200? My only hesitation at this point is asking the friend and they go through the hassle but then it goes sideways and still do not gain access to my account.
For asking the help from other people you have to not hurry this time and have to fully know that the person whom help you are asking is fully trusted. If you are fully satisfied with the trust of that person then ask him to recover the funds for you.Anyways, sometimes I try to login to the site before setting my VPN and it simply tells me I'm in a restricted area. Never had any issues though, I just flip on the VPN and all good. I've been using this site for about 2 months now. Today I logged in and and it was requesting I input my phone number to proceed. It said I can withdraw funds but services were restricted until I enter my phone number. So I created a fake number from Hong Kong, and entered it in. It sent me a code and I entered it. Little did I know Hong Kong is also banned from this site (I know I know, I was just in a hurry to place a bet). Now my account is locked and they will not allow me access to even withdraw until I go through full KYC.
I have about $1,200 of BTC in there, nothing crazy. If I KYC myself they will simply say I broke their TOS and lock me out forever (I did the research on this already). KYC consists of ID, recent bills, and photo of yourself holding ID. The only piece of information this site has on me is an email address.
I have friends who have friends in other countries. Some of those friends of friends live in impoverished countries. What's stopping me from using them to KYC my account and then giving them a piece of the stuck funds? I would only need to gain access to retrieve the funds and would not continue to use the account or website.
Is this a good idea and do you think it will work? Worth the $1,200? My only hesitation at this point is asking the friend and they go through the hassle but then it goes sideways and still do not gain access to my account.
You can also do contact with them when you visit any other country any time. When you are in any other country which is not restricted and you contact with them they will find you with that IP and you can ask them to change your phone number and tell them that now you will use this number. You can discuss further details about your shopment to other country they will allow your account.
Is this site honest? And you withdrawal from it before?
Many sites require identity verification and some hidden terms of service to scam users so make sure that they are a real service and that they do not want users from the United States due to the complexities of laws.
The idea will succeed if they can log in with the same IP address and cookies, but if that site is sufficiently developed (I doubt it), it will not work.
In general, you are now in violation of the terms of use, and therefore be careful in the next steps.
Many sites require identity verification and some hidden terms of service to scam users so make sure that they are a real service and that they do not want users from the United States due to the complexities of laws.
The idea will succeed if they can log in with the same IP address and cookies, but if that site is sufficiently developed (I doubt it), it will not work.
In general, you are now in violation of the terms of use, and therefore be careful in the next steps.
Anyways, sometimes I try to login to the site before setting my VPN and it simply tells me I'm in a restricted area. Never had any issues though, I just flip on the VPN and all good. I've been using this site for about 2 months now. Today I logged in and and it was requesting I input my phone number to proceed. It said I can withdraw funds but services were restricted until I enter my phone number. So I created a fake number from Hong Kong, and entered it in. It sent me a code and I entered it. Little did I know Hong Kong is also banned from this site (I know I know, I was just in a hurry to place a bet). Now my account is locked and they will not allow me access to even withdraw until I go through full KYC.
What was so hurry for you at that time that you did not care to see which countries are accepted by the site and then entered the hong kong number which was not allowed by them. You may have missed the bet but you could have saved your money and account.
For now, try to do whatever you can to recover your account and then withdraw your funds. Its never advisable to play at gambling sites using VPN because the site can anytime stop your withdraw and ask for KYC as they did in your case.
I hessite to add their name because if they are on here I'm pretty use it's an automatic TOS violation and then I'm 100% screwed.
I've deposited around $400 and withdrawn about $1,800 so far, with $1,200 still in the account. Yeah so that's all winning money in there...
With this fact the casino will not give the rest of your funds because you have violated the ToS, and in fact you do not experience losses only the rest of the winnings you can not withdraw, if they have a live chat maybe you can explain in detail and who knows they will let you withdraw the rest of the funds after that forbid you to bet at this casino.I've deposited around $400 and withdrawn about $1,800 so far, with $1,200 still in the account. Yeah so that's all winning money in there...
(have reported to moderator to move this thread to the proper board)
I'm from the states and have been using a betting website to do some light sports betting. They do not allow US citizens and so I used a VPN to gain access. They only require an email address to create an account, and no KYC unless you want to buy crypto directly from them. I will not name the site for various reasons.
Anyways, sometimes I try to login to the site before setting my VPN and it simply tells me I'm in a restricted area. Never had any issues though, I just flip on the VPN and all good. I've been using this site for about 2 months now. Today I logged in and and it was requesting I input my phone number to proceed. It said I can withdraw funds but services were restricted until I enter my phone number. So I created a fake number from Hong Kong, and entered it in. It sent me a code and I entered it. Little did I know Hong Kong is also banned from this site (I know I know, I was just in a hurry to place a bet). Now my account is locked and they will not allow me access to even withdraw until I go through full KYC.
I have about $1,200 of BTC in there, nothing crazy. If I KYC myself they will simply say I broke their TOS and lock me out forever (I did the research on this already). KYC consists of ID, recent bills, and photo of yourself holding ID. The only piece of information this site has on me is an email address.
I have friends who have friends in other countries. Some of those friends of friends live in impoverished countries. What's stopping me from using them to KYC my account and then giving them a piece of the stuck funds? I would only need to gain access to retrieve the funds and would not continue to use the account or website.
Is this a good idea and do you think it will work? Worth the $1,200? My only hesitation at this point is asking the friend and they go through the hassle but then it goes sideways and still do not gain access to my account.
Did they make you agree to their terms of service? Then yeah, you broke their terms and they now have the rights to confiscate your funds but most casino usually don't do that. If they see they are from a restricted country, they let them withdraw and then closes their account. $1,200 isn't a small amount. Try to recover your funds. Like you said, tell one of your friends to verify the account on your behalf and give him part of your coins as a reward for helping you. Anyways, sometimes I try to login to the site before setting my VPN and it simply tells me I'm in a restricted area. Never had any issues though, I just flip on the VPN and all good. I've been using this site for about 2 months now. Today I logged in and and it was requesting I input my phone number to proceed. It said I can withdraw funds but services were restricted until I enter my phone number. So I created a fake number from Hong Kong, and entered it in. It sent me a code and I entered it. Little did I know Hong Kong is also banned from this site (I know I know, I was just in a hurry to place a bet). Now my account is locked and they will not allow me access to even withdraw until I go through full KYC.
I have about $1,200 of BTC in there, nothing crazy. If I KYC myself they will simply say I broke their TOS and lock me out forever (I did the research on this already). KYC consists of ID, recent bills, and photo of yourself holding ID. The only piece of information this site has on me is an email address.
I have friends who have friends in other countries. Some of those friends of friends live in impoverished countries. What's stopping me from using them to KYC my account and then giving them a piece of the stuck funds? I would only need to gain access to retrieve the funds and would not continue to use the account or website.
Is this a good idea and do you think it will work? Worth the $1,200? My only hesitation at this point is asking the friend and they go through the hassle but then it goes sideways and still do not gain access to my account.
But if account trading is also against their terms of service and they somehow know that you did that, they probably will never return your funds.
If someone in a non-restricted country fills out KYC (your mule) and is confronted with evidence of logging from a restricted country, they simply say "I was travelling and logged in at a friend's house".
If they say "you are using a different device", the mule says "I got another phone" or something reasonable.
Just have your story ready. But be prepared for the mule to take all your funds, or demand more than you initially bargain for. In which case, you could consider asking for collateral, though the mule might then think they are being scammed.
Just use common sense, plan and rehearse.
If they say "you are using a different device", the mule says "I got another phone" or something reasonable.
Just have your story ready. But be prepared for the mule to take all your funds, or demand more than you initially bargain for. In which case, you could consider asking for collateral, though the mule might then think they are being scammed.
Just use common sense, plan and rehearse.
Ha, didn't know the other person is called a "mule." But yes, I was thinking about this. Technically I can come up with some clever rebuttal I can feed to my mule counter to all their accusations and there is no way for them to disprove it. But in the end I think they will simply give me some BS automated reply saying I broke ToS.
Also, can't I simply get KYC docs from my mule and submit them myself? My mule would not even need access to the account. But the mule must have trust in me to be dealing with their personal info, and a promise to receive payment.
Anyway, it all seems like too much of a hassle and the odds seemed stacked against me. Learned my lesson here.
Gambling sites can have KYC requirement by default or in their Term of Service, you will get some points about additional/ advanced KYC requirements in case their sites detect suspicious things on your account.
Of course, if you are cheating their casinos, nothing to complain. However, if you are not cheating, you still don't know when they suddenly pull KYC card against you. So in crypto, people advice that not your keys, not your coins. Don't trust any site, any service and leave your capital there.
Of course, if you are cheating their casinos, nothing to complain. However, if you are not cheating, you still don't know when they suddenly pull KYC card against you. So in crypto, people advice that not your keys, not your coins. Don't trust any site, any service and leave your capital there.
This is exactly the right thing to consider when you are about to send all your crypto assets to 3rd party wallets which they can have total control of your altcoins whenever they want. This has happened before and it will gonna happen again because when you see in the scams and accusations board, every year someone is posting about their funds being held in the crypto sports betting site. To avoid this thing to happen, you need the necessary requirements to validate your claim by getting all the details they've asked you for.
Gambling sites can have KYC requirement by default or in their Term of Service, you will get some points about additional/ advanced KYC requirements in case their sites detect suspicious things on your account.
Of course, if you are cheating their casinos, nothing to complain. However, if you are not cheating, you still don't know when they suddenly pull KYC card against you. So in crypto, people advice that not your keys, not your coins. Don't trust any site, any service and leave your capital there.
Of course, if you are cheating their casinos, nothing to complain. However, if you are not cheating, you still don't know when they suddenly pull KYC card against you. So in crypto, people advice that not your keys, not your coins. Don't trust any site, any service and leave your capital there.
You should move this topic on gambling discussion board because this topic is related to casino with Bitcoin involve. Move it on this board https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=228.0.
The casino will just use it against you in case you KYC using other person identity because they will detect the change of IP once your friend login your account to do it. Can you exposed the name of the casino so that we can help you to raise concern to them if ever they have an official account here. Overall your case is very crucial because you didn't read there ToS before you play. This is the common way of Casino to get free money from there user that playing on restricted country and using VPN to dodge it.
Does your 1200$ worth of Bitcoin is came from winnings? Because Casino always use this reason incase players won.
The casino will just use it against you in case you KYC using other person identity because they will detect the change of IP once your friend login your account to do it. Can you exposed the name of the casino so that we can help you to raise concern to them if ever they have an official account here. Overall your case is very crucial because you didn't read there ToS before you play. This is the common way of Casino to get free money from there user that playing on restricted country and using VPN to dodge it.
Does your 1200$ worth of Bitcoin is came from winnings? Because Casino always use this reason incase players won.
My bad, I'm new here and was looking for the right board. Not sure how to even move it? repost?
I hessite to add their name because if they are on here I'm pretty use it's an automatic TOS violation and then I'm 100% screwed.
I've deposited around $400 and withdrawn about $1,800 so far, with $1,200 still in the account. Yeah so that's all winning money in there...
You can see the move button on the bottom left of your thread besides the lock topic button. Your case is a common scenario here even some well known Casino has case like this which I will not disclose too. You can just use the forum search bar for the same topic you are encountering. They will not ask for KYC if you are losing huge money but they will enforce it once you are taking away money from them, I suggest you to don't do KYC because you will just risk your identity in exchange for them to point out your violation.
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