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Topic: ⭐ Crypto.Games ⭐ 0.8% House Edge on Dice ⭐ Largest wagering contest...ever ⭐ - page 92. (Read 346455 times)

legendary
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Merit: 1047
Then you understood me wrong. Once again, and I hope for the last time: profit on graph is actual profit paid out to investors. It is amount that investors got.

How do you explain this then:

I run the same exercise but every month from July 25 2018 to July 2 2019, and I get that returns following your graph would have been 10.19% (bigger than if bankroll had been constant since that date, as I previously thought), while I made only 7.43%:

Date   Bankroll   Profit   Capital if bankroll is Constant during the month   My investment
07/25/18   1523.63   1133.86   1.0000   1.0000
08/01/18   1549.17   1134.93   1.0007  
09/01/18   1526.08   1146.17   1.0080  
10/01/18   1527.49   1148.98   1.0098  
11/01/18   1515.00   1203.59   1.0459  
12/01/18   1447.85   1212.71   1.0522  
01/01/19   1486.70   1226.54   1.0623  
02/01/19   1496.46   1241.40   1.0729  
03/01/19   1476.07   1246.89   1.0768  
04/01/19   1440.69   1263.00   1.0886  
05/01/19   1385.25   1272.56   1.0958  
06/01/19   1382.68   1284.69   1.1054  
07/01/19   1285.11   1280.17   1.1018  
07/02/19   1285.84   1280.30   1.1019   1.0743


The formula to calculate capital is ((profit at that point in time-previous profit)/previous casino bankroll+1)*previous capital.

For example, for 8/1/18: ((1134.93-1133.86)/1523.63+1)*1
copper member
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1874
Goodbye, Z.
Let's talk about how much this site misrepresents their investments and misleads potential investors:

My investment stats:
Start amount: 54.8 strat
Today Total: 54.88 strat
Return: 0.15%

Site Profit Chart (Same time period):
Start amount: 35133 strat
Today Total: 44178 strat
Return: 25.75% return
You still read the graph wrong. Despite the errors that have been fixed over the day, your way of reading the graph will never get you the same percentage,
because that is not what the graph is, its not what the graph shows, its not even what the graph is titled.

"Total investors profit" means the profit all investors combined made since the beginning of when investments have started.
If you want to get an idea of how that calculates for your individual investment, you HAVE TO measure it against the bankroll size, because you get a share of it based on the bankroll size and your investment size.
I'm not saying that the chart data is 100% accurate, I'm just saying that it's nowhere near as inaccurate as you wrongly make people believe by ignoring what I have explained to you several times in the past.

Read my post regarding this again: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.49318312

Then do your calculations again, and do them correctly, which would lead you to this:

The profit over the time you're looking at is 44178 STRAT-35133 STRAT = 9045 STRAT. Those have to be distributed to all investors based on their shares.
All investors combine to 92458 STRAT right now, 9045/92458= 0.0978 STRAT profit per 1 STRAT invested.
0.0978*54.8=5.359 STRAT. You would expect a 9.8% increase for your investment based on the previous chart (including all the errors since fixed by Joter), not a 25% increase.



(Side note: The chart isn't working for me right now, as it's being worked on right now, so I can't verify your numbers. I've used the current bankroll size, I don't know if it was higher in the period you're looking at, nor do I currently know the period you refer to, so I can't check it against my own investment either.)
sr. member
Activity: 395
Merit: 255
crypto.games: #1 Gambling Site
If you look at the total bankroll over that time period, other than one initial spike a day or two after the investment start date, it is almost a flat line for the whole time period. You make it sound like it wildly fluctuates like some pump and dump coin value lol

We discussed this topic here some weeks ago, you can see my messages. Basically their graphs show "profits" before expenses, which I find misleading, they should indicate their that those are not real profits. You should expect to make more of less 70% of what the graphs shows (you must consider that bankroll keeps fluctuating as you were told, you can see the calculations I made in some previous messages in this thread).

Not really. Graph shows actual profit paid to investors (100%). But total bankroll size is shown wrong on graphs, need to fix that one.

That's not true, you even confirmed it when we talked about that here:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51678418
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51678694


Then you understood me wrong. Once again, and I hope for the last time: profit on graph is actual profit paid out to investors. It is amount that investors got.

EDIT: I found one issue with graph... minesweeper data was not visible, have added that one to graph.

So logic is simple:
Profit in investment graph is: SUM(amount_dice+amount_slot+amount_blackjack+amount_videopoker+amount_roulette+amount_plinko+amount_mines-expenses) as profit

Data is taken from investments_details table, that has data of every single invesment profit paid to investors since the start of investment option on site. Data is grouped by dates, so each calculation that happens between 00:00:00 and 23:59:59 is grouped together.

Profit column is actual data that was paid to investors. So if all investors would sum their daily earnings on all of their invesments it would match with graph.

Expenses column is sum of referrer and faucet rewards, investors pay 70% and site pays 30% of those expenses (its has already 30% share cut as that happens in investments calculation).

amount_dice+amount_slot+amount_blackjack+amount_videopoker+amount_roulette+amount_plinko+amount_mines is profit or loss per game.

All data is visible on page:
https://www.crypto-games.net/details.aspx?type=investment&id=LONGID

Replace LONGID with your personal longid.

Either way I need to optimize this graph as investments_details table has grow big and calculations of graph takes a lot of computing power, and bankroll data is not calculated properly...


EDIT2: Ok found one more issue with graph Smiley

As you can see on investments_details page expenses are always in negative values, so there is a issue with upper formula. It should be:
SUM(amount_dice+amount_slot+amount_blackjack+amount_videopoker+amount_roulette+amount_plinko+amount_mines+expenses) as profit

Not

SUM(amount_dice+amount_slot+amount_blackjack+amount_videopoker+amount_roulette+amount_plinko+amount_mines-expenses) as profit

Sorry for that, my bad. But after all investments are calculated correctly, just there were two graph issues that are fixed now. Bankroll size issue on graph will get fixed soon as it requires more changes.

EDIT3: Bankroll size issue is resolved too. Now bankroll size won't change for old investments.
legendary
Activity: 1199
Merit: 1047
If you look at the total bankroll over that time period, other than one initial spike a day or two after the investment start date, it is almost a flat line for the whole time period. You make it sound like it wildly fluctuates like some pump and dump coin value lol

We discussed this topic here some weeks ago, you can see my messages. Basically their graphs show "profits" before expenses, which I find misleading, they should indicate their that those are not real profits. You should expect to make more of less 70% of what the graphs shows (you must consider that bankroll keeps fluctuating as you were told, you can see the calculations I made in some previous messages in this thread).

Not really. Graph shows actual profit paid to investors (100%). But total bankroll size is shown wrong on graphs, need to fix that one.

That's not true, you even confirmed it when we talked about that here:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51678418
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51678694
sr. member
Activity: 395
Merit: 255
crypto.games: #1 Gambling Site
If you look at the total bankroll over that time period, other than one initial spike a day or two after the investment start date, it is almost a flat line for the whole time period. You make it sound like it wildly fluctuates like some pump and dump coin value lol

We discussed this topic here some weeks ago, you can see my messages. Basically their graphs show "profits" before expenses, which I find misleading, they should indicate their that those are not real profits. You should expect to make more of less 70% of what the graphs shows (you must consider that bankroll keeps fluctuating as you were told, you can see the calculations I made in some previous messages in this thread).

Not really. Graph shows actual profit paid to investors (100%). But total bankroll size is shown wrong on graphs, need to fix that one.
legendary
Activity: 1199
Merit: 1047
If you look at the total bankroll over that time period, other than one initial spike a day or two after the investment start date, it is almost a flat line for the whole time period. You make it sound like it wildly fluctuates like some pump and dump coin value lol

We discussed this topic here some weeks ago, you can see my messages. Basically their graphs show "profits" before expenses, which I find misleading, they should indicate their that those are not real profits. You should expect to make more of less 70% of what the graphs shows (you must consider that bankroll keeps fluctuating as you were told, you can see the calculations I made in some previous messages in this thread).
sr. member
Activity: 613
Merit: 254
good morning everyone, let's play gambling because playing gambling Crypto-Games can train my patience and big passion to always win
jr. member
Activity: 47
Merit: 6
Let's talk about how much this site misrepresents their investments and misleads potential investors:



My investment stats:

Start amount: 54.8 strat
Today Total: 54.88 strat
Return: 0.15%



Site Profit Chart (Same time period):

Start amount: 35133 strat
Today Total: 44178 strat
Return: 25.75% return



I know some of you will comment on the fact that the total amount invested will influence my personal returns, but the total bankroll remains pretty much the same over the majority of that time period. I just think it is a misleading representation and potential investors should be aware of the large difference in reported site returns and actual personal returns.

I'm not necessarily saying that they are cheating us, because it was explained to me once and seemed to add up correctly, I'm just saying the representation of potential personal profit is not even close to the actual earned returns.


(Pictures included below)

My investment: https://snag.gy/o72qOX.jpg
Site profit chart: https://snag.gy/gHeSlp.jpg
Return Calculations: https://snag.gy/duw1hr.jpg
It's not misleading. you would get the same result as on graph if you would own 100% of bankroll all the time. But bankroll is changing literally every minute.


If you look at the total bankroll over that time period, other than one initial spike a day or two after the investment start date, it is almost a flat line for the whole time period. You make it sound like it wildly fluctuates like some pump and dump coin value lol
legendary
Activity: 2908
Merit: 1135
www.Crypto.Games: Multiple Games, Multiple Coins
Let's talk about how much this site misrepresents their investments and misleads potential investors:



My investment stats:

Start amount: 54.8 strat
Today Total: 54.88 strat
Return: 0.15%



Site Profit Chart (Same time period):

Start amount: 35133 strat
Today Total: 44178 strat
Return: 25.75% return



I know some of you will comment on the fact that the total amount invested will influence my personal returns, but the total bankroll remains pretty much the same over the majority of that time period. I just think it is a misleading representation and potential investors should be aware of the large difference in reported site returns and actual personal returns.

I'm not necessarily saying that they are cheating us, because it was explained to me once and seemed to add up correctly, I'm just saying the representation of potential personal profit is not even close to the actual earned returns.


(Pictures included below)

My investment: https://snag.gy/o72qOX.jpg
Site profit chart: https://snag.gy/gHeSlp.jpg
Return Calculations: https://snag.gy/duw1hr.jpg
It's not misleading. you would get the same result as on graph if you would own 100% of bankroll all the time. But bankroll is changing literally every minute.
jr. member
Activity: 47
Merit: 6
Let's talk about how much this site misrepresents their investments and misleads potential investors:



My investment stats:

Start amount: 54.8 strat
Today Total: 54.88 strat
Return: 0.15%



Site Profit Chart (Same time period):

Start amount: 35133 strat
Today Total: 44178 strat
Return: 25.75% return



I know some of you will comment on the fact that the total amount invested will influence my personal returns, but the total bankroll remains pretty much the same over the majority of that time period. I just think it is a misleading representation and potential investors should be aware of the large difference in reported site returns and actual personal returns.

I'm not necessarily saying that they are cheating us, because it was explained to me once and seemed to add up correctly, I'm just saying the representation of potential personal profit is not even close to the actual earned returns.


(Pictures included below)

My investment: https://snag.gy/o72qOX.jpg
Site profit chart: https://snag.gy/gHeSlp.jpg
Return Calculations: https://snag.gy/duw1hr.jpg
hero member
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He already got the top 1 spot and the max reward for this month. Smiley
legendary
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legendary
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