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This is delusional. The so-called assets have near-zero value at this point, especially considering lack of liquidity if trying to sell them.

A proposal to raise capital and put new effort to (re)build the game into something of significant value is 'devaluing' nothing. I take no position on the 10% specifically, but the idea that a made up database currency in a nearly-defunct game can't be diluted as part of a viable plan is taking things too far. The game owners can consider it IMO. Maybe it still gets rejected, which is fine.

Gringotts has processed its first withdrawal!
17 XMR has been paid out to Vigens!
Or almost 1400$!

I am currently getting someone on Fiverr to make a promotional video for Crypto Kingdom once the token is ready to launch, I'll have a couple of images made to have something simmilar to the ZrCoin thread.
I'll try to write the script for the video&images tommorow, perhaps the day later.

I have an exam on the 1st and the 5th so I'll be tight with time but I'll try to take some time for CK .


I completely support this suggestion.
I believe there already was an option for inactive accounts to be managed by someone else previously?


We can raise funding through voluntary donations, there is no need for a forced deevaluation of ones assets.

There's always an option to ICO the CKM in Ristos ownership and use the funds for development and debt repayment.
He owns 860 billion Markka.
We could auction 360 billion for game development.
Once the game grows, I believe his assets should be enough to cover his debts since he owns half of the whole game.
But I still believe the funds should be gathered by voluntary donations instead and his CKM untouched (so far) because currently all of his assets kind of belong to the creditors.

Maybe an introduction of a Patriot item with a high tax and a collecting purpose would help with the Town gathering some funds?


I would be honored to accept this position if it was offered to me, however it must be noted I am in the same situation as smooth described in #720
I haven't been active ingame for a very long time, however I'm very happy to develop anything related to the game I can do.

I wish Mooo had put an SGC bet on this.

Crypto Kingdom Kings coin !!!


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/for-sale-first-ever-full-silver-physical-moneroj-1kingck-2113463

HMC posted this on IRC and told me to post it:

This makes sense, an election might bog things down now, lose what momentum we have achieved. I think there is a general consensus now on what direction we need to move in, just the details to sort out, which can probably be nutted out by admins working together.

I do believe when it comes to unpaid work, those who step up & volunteer their time should have the greatest say.

ATM I think it should be admin based as they are the ones who have to implement the work load that is being decided by the board. Now when there is an actual Dev fund to pay the admin, then that would be the time to have votes (as flaky half baked ideas would just be cash cows for admin and not a reason to quit--who knows, Sysky may even come back then).

+1
While this major restructure of the Game is being discussed it should be open to everyone to have their opinion heard, then some form of voting to decide things.

Later on we can revert to a Board & CEO model, hopefully with compensation paid.

Maybe we have an election, I am not a candidate, so I could help with that.

A CEO is a good idea too, the Board sets goals & objectives, and the CEO implements strategies & tactics to achieve them.

Ideas & discussion is what we need, I think everyone appreciates your input a lot!!!

I've dealt with loaf a lot over the months and Speed or iluvbitcoins would be a better choice by far--smooth would also, but I know he won't volunteer due to the time commitment. Though Sirjacket is still better choice in abstention.

We should have a CEO as I think there are too many agendas and one person should represent the game and be responsible for its vision.

Honestly, I think the interested player count and overall activity levels are low enough that anyone who wants to join a board should be able to join it. I would also recommend that Speed be added. Additionally, I think people with "ideas," like Smooth, are just as valuable for their input

I fail on account of activity level in the game (meaning, activity before the game stalled; I had not been very active for quite a while), though I'm happy to throw ideas around on thread/IRC. It is debatable whether I fail on account of economic stake as I don't own a lot of M (though possibly a bit more than I realize across multiple chars/entities) though I do still some own other in-game assets.

Anyway, I would decline a full board seat and the accompanying responsibilities at this time, but still happy to discuss ideas.

Ideally board membership should be based on a combination of economic stake in the Game and activity level, if SirJacket needs to be replaced for either of these reasons then now is the time to do it, while important decisions are being made.

I would prefer 5 board members to 3, but either way, we need a full compliment asap.

If SirJacket is not available anymore, then I would nominate Loaf to be his replacement.

If a 5 member board was more desirable, then I would also nominate smooth & iluvbitcoins.

Of all the things that need doing, this might be the most important to get right, a well functioning Board.

I agree on several parts of this. For one, while I think it could make sense to offer CKO as a free kicker to CKM purchases during the ICO, if the ICO managers are not willing to do this, then it certainly makes sense to not dilute the CKO portion. On this, we could consider not offering Town the free 10% and instead just give all current owners of the 4 tril M equal amounts of CKO. Though I would consider going from 4 tril M to 10 tril M before this, or more, just to have it match whatever the CKM # issuance is.

To illustrate: so looking at the Zech account, it currently owns 21.5% of M. Whatever the CKO issuance (be it 4 tril, 10 tril, or something else), it will still own 21.5% of CKO.

However, for CKM, that is where we will do the dilution of 6 tril M, with 1 tril going to Town and 5 tril being used for the ICO. This would mean that for the Zech account, it would go from 21.5% ownership of M to 8.6% ownership of CKM. Depending on discussions, we can have a final outstanding issuance of CKM that may be above 10 tril, but the % ownership decrease that I've outlined (60%) will still be the same.

Also, of course, when I use the term trillions, that is equivalent to 1,000,000.000,000 or 1 mil "full" blockchain currency units.

On the topic of Zech's return, I understand what you are saying and I pretty much agree. As stated, Zech lost like, what, 60k XMR in the game alone? And, oddly enough, his ZechsDick character had more market making activity than the game had in a long time. Now we have VEG produced every year with zero demand.

I have always been of the opinion to return Zech's accounts to him in some fashion, especially when there are no longer any gateways to turn more than $100 of those game assets into crypto tokens like XMR. I think we can all agree that the game is in an awful current state with too many nonsensical items. Perhaps what Zech was trying to do with CK:Universe, where we just go way back in time and the game emerges is the way to go and he could help with that.

If that can't be done, just have Town take over the accounts. They've already gone most of the way. What's the issue with the last step?

However, if the middle ground is having his accounts managed for the benefit of the game and diluting current players and that is what people are okay with, fine.


I am 100% for anyone other than PJ working on this. Even if PJ was paid well (as he was in the past) I don't see him getting his act together.

OK, those actually doing the admin work should have the bigger influence on these matters anyway, I understand your frustration.

I've restructured my own CK affairs in such a way that I can sit back and watch what happens now, I've achieved what I set out to do with Gringotts & Phoenix Trust over the last couple of months, & Unicorn Corp. will continue with Roopatra at the helm, and all my other possessions are in a FOC, so my own CK affairs are simple to manage from here.

Good luck everyone, I hope the Game continues improving


“Are you in earnest? Seize this very minute:
What you can do, or dream you can, begin it;
Boldness has genius, power, and magic in it.
Only engage and then the mind grows heated;
Begin and then the work will be completed.”

He was given that opportunity before with the Zechsdick char and all he did was cause trouble.

If you have a kid who is a drug addict, it is better to sooner (rather than later when they overdose), to acknowledge that they've changed and the person who was your son or daughter simply doesn't exist due to the chemicals restructuring their brain.

I hope risto gets help with whatever is troubling him, BUT I'm not going to help enable his behavior, especially when it shits all over most everyone else. Though I'm sure some who made huge profits on his last game bender, and didn't have any cleanup to do, will be anxious for him to return in all his catch/dump glory.

And here's a hint for all those watching: If your solution adds to the admin workload or depends on PJ "Just Doing It," I'm going to stand against it unless the benefits can be rationally validated as more beneficial to the admin themselves in payouts or in the delays sure to follow in anything associated with PJ.

There are costs in time and work that the Dev fund no longer pays. Bad enough i'm paying myself out of my own invested and diluted funds.

On IRC I see that Speed has a plan that pays for itself--that's what we need more of. Not "let's just give risto his account back and hope the admin will fix it before he leaves with more funds."

A good administrator would be better than leaving them idle, and it would give someone an opportunity to build some in-game wealth from the fees.




That's a good point, if Risto was given his accounts back it should be on the strict understanding that he gets one chance only, and if he obviously starts creating problems that need reversing then he's banned. He might not want to agree to such conditions, so maybe this discussion is pointless anyway, but a 'rational' person would 'play' the accounts to maximise their value.

I would be prepared to give him a chance if he was interested, but I wouldn't be cleaning up any mess either ... maybe Risto will add his thoughts. I would like to see a 'rational' risto controlling his accounts trying to max his account value, it would be good for the Game.

He would likely did what he did before and create huge dump and catch orders and fuck with the game's commands--though just selling stuff cheap or hugely overpaying to fake accounts he owns would be an easy way to retake his assets--though he'd likely have to do it for real players to avoid detection. And while it is reversible it will make angry players when their "deal of a lifetime" is revoked by admin--personally I don't want to deal with the workload or rightfully angry players.  

Though giving away the only leverage we have is pretty stupid too.

As for the 10% to Town--I was fine with that when I added it to the Bounty (as per smooth's brilliant suggestion), before Loaf and iluvbitcoins shot it down--nice to see they get it now.

Yes, we were discussing on IRC newcorp which is part of his assets, though it wasn't immediately clear to me whether he is a majority shareholder or not. My suggestion was for the town to appoint a paid trustee to manage newcorp on behalf of the shareholders (probably with the choice of trustee approved by other shareholders). Appointing one to manage his assets more broadly is also likely appropriate.

If nothing else, protecting the value those accounts with reasonable administration will maximize probability and magnitude of the recovery to his victims.