CryptoNote technical discussion and Chess Challenge - page 63.

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Quote from: XMRpromotions on September 28, 2015, 11:52:06 PM

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Nf3 is a good developing move and it helps to prepare d4 and a fight for the center of the board.

We can vote on open vs closed Sicilian defence at the appropriate time.

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Nf3 That is now 4 votes

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Quote from: LucyLovesCrypto on September 28, 2015, 11:13:27 PM

Quote from: smooth on September 28, 2015, 07:32:51 PM

One of the few lines I even know is Nf3

But the better chess players on our team probably have other input.

Make that two votes for Nf3

3 votes!

Nf3 is a good developing move and it helps to prepare d4 and a fight for the center of the board.

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Quote from: smooth on September 28, 2015, 07:32:51 PM

One of the few lines I even know is Nf3

But the better chess players on our team probably have other input.

Make that two votes for Nf3

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One of the few lines I even know is Nf3

But the better chess players on our team probably have other input.

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Quote from: languagehasmeaning on September 28, 2015, 05:36:13 AM

Quote from: boolberry on September 27, 2015, 07:27:29 PM

I vote for playing c5 (sicilian defense)

Same choice for me.

1.e4 c5

Team Boolberry c5 voters win by a 2-1 margin as of 0:00 UTC

Now it is time for white (Team Monero) to respond. I will count votes again at 0:00 UTC tomorrow

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Quote from: boolberry on September 27, 2015, 07:27:29 PM

I vote for playing c5 (sicilian defense)

Same choice for me.

1.e4 c5

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Quote from: letsplayagame on September 28, 2015, 03:33:05 AM

My single biggest question after reading the entire paper is the how did they choose their elliptic curve constants? The protocol appears sound; who chose the constants? Will there be a plan for choosing new constants in the future if needed?

As I understand it the constants were chosen by Daniel J. Bernstein. I think this is noted in the white paper but may have been missed during that initial review when cryptonote suddenly dropped out of the sky.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EdDSA

I'm not a cryptographer so I may be getting some of this wrong.

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I know that Monero and Boolberry did not create CryptoNote but have improved on it. Any guesses for the reason the CryptoNote creators selected a relatively new cryptographic hash function?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Hash_Algorithm

I've not seen any answer to this, though you could try asking on their forum. That can be hit or miss. Some of the people posting there on behalf of "cryptonote" obviously have technical knowledge but others are just clueless.

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Quote from: newb4now on September 27, 2015, 09:12:25 PM

Has the zkSNARK setup (requiring trust to ensure an unlimited number extra coins are not produced in secret) problem been solved?

Somewhat. There is a way to do it with multiple participants such that only a single honest participant is required. Still, if you weren't part of the process and you show up later, there is not really any way for you to audit the process or know that it was set up properly. That's unlike most systems where no matter when you show up you can still audit the code and determine that it is secure.

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Quote from: boolberry on September 26, 2015, 12:47:10 AM

Monero (CryptoNote)
https://getmonero.org/
https://lab.getmonero.org/pubs/MRL-0001.pdf
https://lab.getmonero.org/pubs/MRL-0002.pdf
https://lab.getmonero.org/pubs/MRL-0003.pdf
https://lab.getmonero.org/pubs/MRL-0004.pdf
https://downloads.getmonero.org/whitepaper_review.pdf

Boolberry (CryptoNote)
http://boolberry.com/
http://boolberry.com/theory.html
http://boolberry.com/files/Boolberry_Solves_CryptoNote_Flaws.pdf
http://boolberry.org/files/Boolberry_Reduces_Blockchain_Bloat.pdf

Those links were helpful. There are a few questions raised in the whitepaper review that I would like to hear opinions on:
https://downloads.getmonero.org/whitepaper_review.pdf

Quote from Surae Noether on pages 4-5:
My single biggest question after reading the entire paper is the how did they choose their elliptic curve constants? The protocol appears sound; who chose the constants? Will there be a plan for choosing new constants in the future if needed?

I know that Monero and Boolberry did not create CryptoNote but have improved on it. Any guesses for the reason the CryptoNote creators selected a relatively new cryptographic hash function?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Hash_Algorithm

I appreciate your thoughts on this and am aware there may not be easy answers to my questions

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I would like to hear about not just the potential for bitcoin sidechains, but the privacy implications of the mere knowledge that someone is using a sidechain.

For example could blockchain analysis prevent someone from using a particular sidechain without the knowledge of those observing? The bitcoin transaction used to access the sidechain will always be publicly visible along with its time, date and value. If funds are transferred back to bitcoin from the side chain at some future date, could that transaction be connected to the earlier transaction based on factors such as time and the transaction value?

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Facts are more efficient than fud

Quote from: newb4now on September 27, 2015, 09:12:25 PM

I would like to join Team Boolberry

My move choice is e7-e5

Care to make any comments about Zerocash based on the recent tweet of Matthew Green?

https://twitter.com/matthew_d_green/status/648221218773049344

Has the zkSNARK setup (requiring trust to ensure an unlimited number extra coins are not produced in secret) problem been solved?

CryptoNote definitely is the best solution available today.

View key functionality may also future proof its ability to comply with regulatory compliance in a way the competition cannot.

I think the more privacy tools the better. Who wants to play chess with all knights?

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I would like to join Team Boolberry

My move choice is e7-e5

Care to make any comments about Zerocash based on the recent tweet of Matthew Green?

https://twitter.com/matthew_d_green/status/648221218773049344

Has the zkSNARK setup (requiring trust to ensure an unlimited number extra coins are not produced in secret) problem been solved?

CryptoNote definitely is the best solution available today.

View key functionality may also future proof its ability to comply with regulatory compliance in a way the competition cannot.

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I vote for playing c5 (sicilian defense)

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Team Monero (white pieces) vs. Team Boolberry (black pieces)
black to move

1. e4

Based on the votes in this thread Team Monero has chosen to play 1. e4.

Now it is time for Team Boolberry to respond. Votes will be finalized at 0:00 UTC tomorrow.

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Quote from: Taras on September 26, 2015, 10:08:07 AM

I might continue compiling charts for this game as well if it takes off.

Three more 1.e4 votes came in after this graph.

Right now there are four 1.e4 votes vs two votes for 1.d4

Voting will be finalized at 0:00 UTC time unless Team Monero announces that it has finalized its decision sooner

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watching, learning.

bbr and xmr have more in common than differences, so a debate should be respectful friendly sibling rivalry.

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Quote from: smooth on September 26, 2015, 03:55:06 PM

Quote from: boolberry on September 26, 2015, 12:47:10 AM

I propose 1 move per 24 hours (so that there is time for everyone to vote and see feedback from others) starting from the next 0:00 UTC time following the other teams move.

So 24-48 hours

Yes 24 hours if the other team waits until the last minute (just before 0:00 UTC) to make a move or almost 48 hours if the other team moves almost immediately (0:01 UTC) when their turn begins and the 24 hour clock does not start until the next 0:00 UTC. The later scenario is unlikely even on move one because it would might sense to wait for new players to show up.

That sounded fair to me. If someone has a better idea I am open to suggestions.

Based on the graphs Taras compiled in the other chess thread it seems that more people tend to join as the game continues. How that should impact the time limit I am not sure but I know it makes counting votes more tedious.

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Quote from: Taras on September 26, 2015, 10:08:07 AM

I might continue compiling charts for this game as well if it takes off.

That is very nice of you! Will you be playing in this game too? If so for which side?

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Quote from: boolberry on September 26, 2015, 12:47:10 AM

I propose 1 move per 24 hours (so that there is time for everyone to vote and see feedback from others) starting from the next 0:00 UTC time following the other teams move.

So 24-48 hours

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