Topic: CryptoNote technical discussion and Chess Challenge - page 64. (Read 96150 times)

Monero team. My vote is E4 as well. I think every turn is meant to last 24 hours.

Monero Team. I vote for e4. Do we have a clock / time limit for each move?

much fun !
my vote is for e4

Very nice idea. And such a pleasure to read something friendly around here once in a while!

I will watch and learn

I might continue compiling charts for this game as well if it takes off.

Thanks for visiting this thread letsplayagame! If you are still playing in Baku, good luck in the remainder of the tournament! The developers of Monero and Boolberry can address any technical questions you may have.

I have not seen that movie but plan to eventually (not in the theater).

As a member of team Boolberry I am eager to start helping once Monero has chosen its first move.

I will not be playing chess for either side in this game (visit https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/lets-play-a-game-of-chess-1148538 for that).  I am here because happy to see more people interested in chess and because of my interest in privacy.

My primary goal is to promote the adoption of bitcoin. I do not own any Monero or Boolberry.
 
I am interested in hearing some technical debate on the advantages and disadvantages of CryptoNote versus some of the alternatives mentioned and what BTC could potentially implement.  Please remain as unbiased as possible. If I can acknowledge that bitcoin has some potential weaknesses you should be able to do the same.

If you can provide sources to support your arguments that would be ideal. The more technical the better.

Has anyone seen Pawn Sacrifice yet? What did you think?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1596345/releaseinfo

Parts of it are not accurate but I expect that with most movies.  

e4 is a good opening move and has my vote

I like both coins but choose the Monero side because I prefer to play the white pieces in chess

I vote for 1.e4

Can I make a recommendation? Maybe instead of just talking about the technical differences in BBR and XMR you can compare CryptoNote solutions to the bitcoin fungibility issues described here:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/eventually-the-fungibility-issue-of-bitcoin-will-make-headlines-1190707

You could also compare and contrast CryptoNote (and the differences between XMR and BBR) to other existing and future alternatives such as Coin Join, Coin Shuffle, Zero Coin, Confidential Transactions and so on.

Thanks for the technically sound (because I said so) analysis.   Hope you don't play chess with that kind of rigid analytical prowess.

this thread is no more than just a spam
it's just monero is a better scam spams coin

Monero Team

1.d4 please

I was not happy Wei Li losing match against Peter Svidler. Winning this game will make me feel much better!

Its official. Monero responded first and has the white pieces. I renamed the thread title Monero vs Boolberry instead of Boolberry vs Monero to help avoid confusion about who is white.

Now everyone on team Monero can vote for move 1 ideas. I think each team should be able to count their own votes. I am willing to upload a picture of the board (for either team) once a move is decided upon. If team Monero wants to be in charge of uploading its own chess board image that is fine too. Please choose one that is labeled for easy algebraic notation (a-h, 1-8) which will be helpful for beginners.

Team ownage! 

Team Monero

CryptoNote technical discussion
Most legitimate CryptoNote projects are on friendly terms. Much of the content below is Monero related solely because it is the largest, most actively developed CryptoNote coin. This thread is coin agnostic, so if you have relevant content that I can add, please let me know! Specifically I would love to add links or concise descriptions of Aeon innovations below.

Monero (CryptoNote)
https://getmonero.org/
https://downloads.getmonero.org/whitepaper_review.pdf
https://lab.getmonero.org/pubs/MRL-0001.pdf
https://lab.getmonero.org/pubs/MRL-0002.pdf
https://lab.getmonero.org/pubs/MRL-0003.pdf
https://lab.getmonero.org/pubs/MRL-0004.pdf
https://lab.getmonero.org/pubs/MRL-0005.pdf (must read)
https://github.com/Monero-project/research-lab/commit/60a63a3b5d3f50afd504a76193925f0a132b7bb4 (new)

"dust" being defined as
Boolberry (CryptoNote)
http://boolberry.com/
http://boolberry.com/theory.html
http://boolberry.com/files/Boolberry_Solves_CryptoNote_Flaws.pdf  (Monero has improved upon this as of Jan 2016 with a min mixin)
http://boolberry.org/files/Boolberry_Reduces_Blockchain_Bloat.pdf (Aeon has improved on the Boolberry approach to pruning)

Aeon (CryptoNote)
http://www.aeon.cash/
http://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/832/does-aeon-have-a-development-roadmap
http://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/1393/what-is-the-aeon-currency
https://github.com/aeonix/aeon/releases/tag/v0.9.7.1 (new release with preliminary code for future RingCT support)

Below are some alternatives each with strengths and weaknesses of their own. Some are highly theoretical and do not yet exist. I am ignoring CoinJoin (which many coins are based on) for the moment as it offers by far the weakest privacy (compared to CryptoNote, Zerocash and Confidential Transactions) and is being improved upon with CoinShuffle.

Zerocash
http://zerocash-project.org/paper
https://github.com/Electric-Coin-Company/zcash/wiki/specification
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/41vg68/monero_vs_zcash_eli5_fundamental_differences/

Confidential Transactions
https://github.com/ElementsProject/secp256k1-zkp

CoinShuffle
http://crypsys.mmci.uni-saarland.de/projects/CoinShuffle/coinshuffle.pdf

Monero vs. Boolberry Chess Challenge
This thread will not only be about CryptoNote technical discussion. We are also here to have fun and play chess!

The idea for this game came from someone on Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/3lwro6/chess_challenge/

Players from all levels are welcome. If you don't know the rules of chess start below, then return and ask questions:
http://www.chess.com/learn-how-to-play-chess

I made the thread moderated for one reason. I want to prevent people from purposely recommending or voting for bad moves with the goal to sabotage one side. For example If Monero is white and Boolberry is black I might moderate recommendations for a move in situations like this:

1. e4 Nf6
2. Qh5 (recommended by multiple trolls trying to sabotage Monero by allowing Nxh5)

Other than situations like this I will let the communities vote for the moves freely without any interference. To date I have edited/deleted 0 thread posts made by people other than myself. I will update the last sentence if something changes. The move with the most votes win.  I propose 1 move per 24 hours (so that there is time for everyone to vote and see feedback from others) starting from the next 0:00 UTC time following the other teams move.

Ties will be decided based on the recommendation from ArticMine:

Players are free to choose their own side but cannot play for both teams. Everyone knows that Monero has a larger community, but it is yet to be determined if that is a good or a bad thing (for this chess game). The quality of players and an ability to convince team members to vote for the best moves is probably more important than the number of people involved.

Current position
Based on the votes in this thread Team Monero has chosen to play Kf4. Now it is time for Team Boolberry to respond. I will plan to count votes again tomorrow at approximately 0:00 UTC.

white to move


Team Boolberry (white pieces) vs. Team DarkFlarb (black pieces)
Game 2 PGN: 0-1

Team DarkFlarb (white pieces) vs. Team Boolberry (black pieces)
Game 1 PGN: 0-1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Game_Notation