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legendary
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November 29, 2017, 05:40:43 PM

No where in the above quote did I declare you are evil, nor did I declare what your ethics are.

You have on two separate and very recent occasions in this particular thread stated that my ethics are evil. I will quote them for you to refresh your memory.

For example, CC’s ethics are actually evil. He wants to control men because he thinks they will father children they can not support. But this results in a clusterfucked totalitarianism. Man can not defeat nature.

ecash 11 Nov., 9:03am
Religion was an attempt to control nature. And it necessarily leaks/fails, because nature abhors a perfected, non-existence.

ecash 11 Nov., 9:06am
For example, CC’s ethics are actually evil. He wants to control men

I am not interested in debate or looking to "win" a charge was leveled against me that is both serious and false. This demanded a public rebuttal.

I have now replied to the falsehood and have no further interest in the matter.
newbie
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November 29, 2017, 05:08:47 PM
This isn't even enar the idea of real 'conspiracy'. Ya'll being paranoid
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November 29, 2017, 04:58:32 PM
I don't and haven't.

Disagree.

It's quite obvious you emphasized a statement about God which was not the theme of the post you referenced:

Jordan Peterson: The reason modern people can’t see God is that they won’t look low enough
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n2py4aBpmko

The boxing in is where you attempt to argue with logic and reason that superrationality is valid, yet I showed whether it is possible relies on faith. So you're essentially implying that those of us who disagree that superrationality is valid, are somehow not ethical and are implicitly less good because we refuse to strive for something above and beyond nature.



However, a grave and serious Judgement has be made against me by another. It is an extremely serious charge, serious enough that I am compelled to respond to my accuser.

I remember in the past you tried to accuse me of lying about my predictions successfully made, and then I would quote and cite for you exactly where I had done what I had claimed I had done, then you accused me of editing my posts ex post facto (i.e. you implicitly accused me of being a liar). But the point was you falsely accused me. So now you're in a huff when I call you out for having a confirmation bias as a religious zealot and a leftist/progressive (who tries to claim his is a libertarian), and you're trying to once again misrepresent the facts of what was done and said.

CC’s ethics are actually evil.

To to declare someone's ethical framework as evil is about as dire an accusation as one can level. It's a spiritual charge the declaration that their morality is false.

Your misquote above misrepresents what I wrote. I will quote for you exactly what I wrote as follows:

How would you know why and what others see or can’t see w.r.t. an issue of faith. Elevating a personal matter to one of social commentary and judgment, is evil and potentially very dangerous as he points out in his video. I think you’re missing the point of his video, which is to look inside to yourself. If you find God there, then fine, but it doesn’t mean that his video is about the necessity of finding God and judging those who don’t find his God as failing to look inside themselves.

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He captures some of the reasons that I dislike CoinCube’s presentation of God.

Stop boxing me in, and presuming your interpretation of a theological question is correct. God is a personal matter because it is always based on faith, not on rationality, logic, or reason. Allow me to do it my closet as Jesus said in Matthew 6:5.

We can box each other in on measurable phenomena. But God will never be measurable in our current understanding of spacetime.

No where in the above quote did I declare you are evil, nor did I declare what your ethics are. I declared a specific action/tactic to be evil. Are you admitting you are doing the action/tactic that I stated is evil? I can't judge you on matters of good and evil (proclaiming a total order or universal truth), as I am only human with knowledge of only a partial order. I stated what I think would be evil because it is impossible for someone to prove their faith with logic and reason, thus it seems to me that should be a private matter in consultation/prayer/meditation with our God.

The reason you're falling into this trap is because you're trying to force reason and logic as justification for faith. That is causing you to push too hard to find confirmation bias in everything. If your faith is truly solid, then you should not need to win arguments of logic and reason about your faith. Faith is a personal and private matter. I warned you about Bruce Charlton, and that he is trying to judge others with logic and reason (which I showed is inapplicable) as if he is a God. Satan throws out these traps for us. But again I can't judge him other than if he is judging others then he will receive what Matthew 7 says, the same judging back on himself.



In the face of such an attack it is important to clearly state what the foundations of my ethics are and I am entitled to demand the same of my accuser.

By demanding that I discuss my faith outside of my closet, you would be doing the action/tactic that I (and Jesus) said is evil.

We are required to love our neighbor as ourselves even when they are very different at a biological level. This means treating women as you would have wanted to be treated if you had been born female instead of male with all the difference that come with that. It means putting yourself in the place of others and truly acting with a mind to not just your interests but theirs.

Egalitarianism is not very loving. It's destructive.

I am of the opinion that Jesus is telling us to be superrational but in a much deeper and fundamental way. Superrationality itself is simply an attempt to formalize that wisdom with only partial success.

I already provided my refutations about superrationality. I think you're suffering from the sort of idealism (lack of grounding in pragmaticism and facts of nature) that leads to megadeath.

Yes a female brain will always be different then a male brain. That does not make it worth less just different better at some things and worse at some things.

Define worth in this context? Who wrote they are worth less or worthless? Only you apparently used that word in this thread.

All women are still children of God and deserving the respect that comes with that as are all Men.

To respect them we must understand them. Putting them on a pedestal and destroying them (or society if you raise leftist/progressive princesses) by promoting egalitarianism which funds their hypergamy to run amok is not respecting them. As I stated already, I don't believe that females in aggregate can overcome their hindbrain which is baked into the biology of the species. The actions of females can be better understood and explained once their subconscious mind is taken into account. I am confident that the cited psychologist will agree with me after he reads what I wrote and researches the facts. I have no problem with allowing females to be in a meritocracy where they must compete equally. In that case, end all divorce laws, end all affirmative action, end all identity politics/subsidies/distorts of the free market. That means do not force men to pay for the children! Let women compete with their biology as it is, and stop subsidizing them. Stop putting a double-standard on men. If a man does not want to support his offspring, that is his decision to make, not society. Otherwise you're subsidizing hypergamy. You and I will never agree on this.

Yes there are very valid issues raised by those who are concerned about the disruption of traditional gender roles and the harmful effects that result from this. These are difficult problems that do not have simple solutions. However, the existence of these problems does not mean we are exempt from higher ethical responsibilities. Our challenge as men is to work towards finding solutions to these problems while simultaneously holding ourselves to a moral code in an era where morality and God is widely ignored and mocked. This no easy task but it is the burden of men to bear it.

End egalitarianism. You can't have it both ways. Complaining about something while continuing to do what causes that something is not a very coherent state-of-mind.
legendary
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November 29, 2017, 03:45:14 PM

STOP JUDGING OTHERS BY YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH YOUR GOD!
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Stop boxing me in, and presuming your interpretation of a theological question is correct. God is a personal matter


I don't and haven't. However, a grave and serious Judgement has be made against me by another. It is an extremely serious charge, serious enough that I am compelled to respond to my accuser.

CC’s ethics are actually evil.

To to declare someone's ethical framework as evil is about as dire an accusation as one can level. It's a spiritual charge the declaration that their morality is false.

In the face of such an attack it is important to clearly state what the foundations of my ethics are and I am entitled to demand the same of my accuser.

The foundation of my ethics can be traced to two core principles.

Matthew 22:36-40
"Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."


From this comes my belief on how we should treat women.

We are required to love our neighbor as ourselves even when they are very different at a biological level. This means treating women as you would have wanted to be treated if you had been born female instead of male with all the difference that come with that. It means putting yourself in the place of others and truly acting with a mind to not just your interests but theirs.

I am of the opinion that Jesus is telling us to be superrational but in a much deeper and fundamental way. Superrationality itself is simply an attempt to formalize that wisdom with only partial success.

See: Superrationality and the Infinite

Yes a female brain will always be different then a male brain. That does not make it worth less just different better at some things and worse at some things. All women are still children of God and deserving the respect that comes with that as are all Men. A human brain will similarly be different then an AI brain that will surely come along someday or the brain of an extraterrestrial if we ever encounter something along those lines.

The wisdom above tells us how to behave in regards to all of these scenarios.

That at any rate is my truth.

Yes there are very valid issues raised by those who are concerned about the disruption of traditional gender roles and the harmful effects that result from this. These are difficult problems that do not have simple solutions. However, the existence of these problems does not mean we are exempt from higher ethical responsibilities. Our challenge as men is to work towards finding solutions to these problems while simultaneously holding ourselves to a moral code in an era where both morality and God are widely ignored and mocked. This is no easy task but it is the burden of men to bear it.

We create and destroy with words, perhaps more so than we do with our hands - Ephesians 4:29 Smiley
newbie
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November 29, 2017, 05:24:15 AM

His mistake is he is referring to the conscious and overtly measurable traits of the female, but the female hypergamy manifests in insidious facets such as for example being agreeable to socialism/collectivism because it funds their (the females’) hypergameous R-strategy reproductive preference. The female shit tests a man in indirect, not overtly confrontrational ways. She is apt to leverage the collective to confront on her behalf, e.g. the laws. (He also alluded to this near end of his video where is acknowledge passive aggressive techniques for female bullying)

Thus I absolutely do not agree with his assessment that women are “undeniably more reliable than men”. He needs to enumerate his criterion for that metric so we can break it down with deeper/holistic analysis.

Women are higher in all emotions, not just negative emotions. They live and breath emotions. They are like a child. Some may have a very rational and even very high IQ prefrontal cortex, but their true driver is their biological hindbrain.

His “interested in people versus things” distinction is I think missing the point. Men are interested in engineering solutions, and some men such as myself are extrovert and also interested in people partially because of the fact it requires people to accomplish goals. Women are interested in people as a dog is interested in legs to hump and kids are interested in toys that make them feel good.

He is placating that female while pretending to have an intellectual exchange. Come on, debate a man from the DE movement if you really want to have peer review.

Btw, I agree with his point that men interact in somewhat confrontational manner when there is disagreement. This is because men instinctively need to follow or be the alphamale who is going to insure them success. They must not be following some idiot who will lead them to failure. That is a positive and necessary trait of men. Men are all about goals and achievements. So we will not automatically give respect to other men, it has to be earned via meritocracy. Women are about nurturing (because they need happy chemicals because they are all about emotions) and hypergamy. That is why men bring conflicts to a head to resolve it asap (because men are essentially doing active free market annealing for fitness and maximum resilience), and women will pretend-and-extend as do the central banks (and the ZIRP) that funds the female hypergamy and destruction of Western civilization, because women are not leading society, they're parasites unless properly managed (counter-balanced by the control) by men.

I agree with his assessment about the dynamics of competition between men and women are nonsense. But he does not cut to the root of it which is that women are not competitive in a way that can lead society effectively. And thus men who are castrated by the society via laws w.r.t. to females, will mean they defect and the society will collapse. All this BS about egalitarianism is destroying Western civilization.

He mentions highly successful female attorneys but remember they are successful in a society that is not a meritocracy and aided by affirmative action. They would likely not be successful in a male competitive society and I contemplate that their success is at the cost of the demise of Western civilization.

Again I had written on the prior page of this thread that although it is true that females can be very smart (surely there are even females who have a higher IQ than I do), we do not need them for the roles of leadership, because it messes everything up. We need them for the biological role they’re designed for. He refers to the elite females as benefiting, but I think he fails to note they move the society further to the left thus exacerbating the destruction of the Western civilization. Btw, he absolutely nails this point in another video and I suggest all men with daughters listen to what he said. My father has a higher IQ than myself and he was head attorney for West Coast Division of Exxon and he told me the same thing that a female after age 30 until menopause is totally unreliable. Btw, that linked video I just cited is excellent. I like him much better when he is in confrontational mode. He nails so many points correctly. Respect earned.

In another video, he starts off speaking truths but then he correlates egalitarianism with prosperity and fails to note that such a short-lived spike in prosperity is irrelevant if it means the civilization is collapsing because of egalitariamism, yet he does start to enumerate some of the ways egalitarianism has harmed society. Btw, I had seen some of his videos before in the past.

He echoed more DE themes on Fox News interview about his new book.

Note he claims that the reason successful women don’t marry down is because they don’t want to support the man, because they want someone to support them. I think that’s not quite accurate. They don’t want to marry down because biologically (subconscious hindbrain) they’re driven by hypergamy. A woman is not sexually motivated towards a man she perceives to be below her status. This was already explained in James A. Donald’s blogs which I cited upthread. And the evidence is that their hypergamy can be fooled by PUAs who can put them on the fuckboy carousel, thus not achieve marriage. Those ultra-confident women he refers to can be entirely broken down to a salivating animal by a bad boy which her ancestral environment hindbrain perceives to be alpha. The men who are afraid of rejection is because they give a fuck. The bad boy doesn’t ask for her fucking number. He doesn’t need her number, because he has more girls after him than he can handle already. He will be a bad boy to her and not give a shit what she thinks or does. Her pussy will be dripping wet and she will give chase to him. He’s making the mistake of presuming the females are responding rationally with their prefrontal cortex and I think that is where he fundamentally doesn’t understand female biology and thus psychology. Female life purpose is ruled by the hypergamy of the hindbrain, not the rational part of the mind. For those women at the very upper echelon of status and who do not get married when they’re young, they may not be able to easily find someone of actual status that is interested in them (and who would bother to ask for their phone number), and thus they are very vulnerable to being picked off by a PUA if they’re social environment doesn’t shield them from exposure to PUAs.

I suppose the most excellent outcome would be a society which could leverage the intellectual talents of these very high IQ females yet also provide their hypergamic needs are met. Really high IQ females need to bear children early and then incorporate their study/work into their life as mothers. Having women try to fit a lifetime of a career into their 20s is just destructive.

Jordan Peterson: Handling Your Darkest Feelings about Existence Itself
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nLRkG7PccPI

Jordan Peterson: The reason modern people can’t see God is that they won’t look low enough
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n2py4aBpmko

Bravo! He states much of my philosophy. But I do not agree with the interpretation of his video being that is why we can’t see God which presumes that God must exist (he mentions that only in passing and is not the main point he is making). Again God is a personal matter (and religion and God are distinct concepts), please STOP JUDGING OTHERS BY YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH YOUR GOD!

How would you know why and what others see or can’t see w.r.t. an issue of faith. Elevating a personal matter to one of social commentary and judgment, is evil and potentially very dangerous as he points out in his video. I think you’re missing the point of his video, which is to look inside to yourself. If you find God there, then fine, but it doesn’t mean that his video is about the necessity of finding God and judging those who don’t find his God as failing to look inside themselves.


He captures some of the reasons that I dislike CoinCube’s presentation of God.

Stop boxing me in, and presuming your interpretation of a theological question is correct. God is a personal matter because it is always based on faith, not on rationality, logic, or reason. Allow me to do it my closet as Jesus said in Matthew 6:5.

We can box each other in on measurable phenomena. But God will never be measurable in our current understanding of spacetime.


P.S. On healthcare, I totally agree with this.




EDIT: I was listening to another of his videos about relationships, and agreed with him up to the point where he recommends blaming yourself for why another person doesn’t meet your needs in a relationship. Fuck that. Leave the relationship immediately and never come back!

Do not stay in relationships that do not work. Do not try to mix oil and water. They will never mix. Move on. Do not waste your life trying to accomplish futile things.

He is correct that humans, as is the case for all animals, are trainable in some cases. But you have to recognize when the training process has become futile. But do not train a person by pretending to blame yourself. Train them with incentives which are honest. I’m speaking from experiences. Personalities matter. When I finally found someone more compatible to my lifestyle and personality, it is like night and day compared to the prior relationships which were attempting to force a square peg into a round hole. Btw, in that last video link, he looks similar to Pat Riley the NBA coach.

Anecdotally, I can counter his claim that a disorderly person will necessarily fight with an orderly person. I’m a person who doesn’t care about cleanliness and orderliness which has no significant functional benefit to my productivity (or which reduces my productivity because of the time cost of doing it). My current gf is very much into cleanliness and orderliness even to the degree of reducing productivity such as mopping the floor everyday with bleach. I had to convince her to not mop so frequently. But this works for us because I do not make huge messes continuously (meaning I also appreciate some orderliness) and because I give her appreciation for the effort she expends on it. We’re both extroverts and conscientious so our similarities outweigh our slight differences. And we both enjoy observing/interacting with expressive animals and people. For example, she initially was disgusted when I licked my plate clean but I made it sort of humorous and then she laughed (so her appreciation of human expressiveness outweighs her desire for cleanliness). I also have this introvert side that likes to work on engineering challenges and art. She does too but so far hers in more in the arts and crafts area, because she is not as mathematical and analytical. She is more into language and natural science.
sr. member
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November 29, 2017, 05:01:03 AM
So how its going with Dark Enlightenment in your countries?

As I've posted the announcement of lecture - it went fine. Even more - it was amazing, the room was full, many students attended, as well as members of new right organizations, but also some respectable professors.
The left tried to cancel this event, but the only thing which they managed is to post in social media negative posts, which in fast helped a lot for the popularization of this event.

Good that we have strong philosophical community in Kyiv, and if you (I mean in general readers of this thread, let's not take to account capacity aspect))) will be visiting Kyiv (Ukraine) we can create a new mini-conference or meetup on this topic.
newbie
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November 29, 2017, 04:39:17 AM
He said capacity, not capability. Capacity as in "empty space", of which his brain has a disproportionately large amount, compared to most readers here.

ca·pac·i·ty
kəˈpasədē/
noun
2.
the ability or power to do, experience, or understand something.
"I was impressed by her capacity for hard work"

As if a capacitor is incapable of employing it’s capacity to accomplish it’s function.


You just joined and running around making comments such as the following which demonstrate you have no comprehension whatsoever about the fact that terrorism is a lie created by the Zionists to enslave you (I suppose you idolize the satanic Pope too):

I have come across watching Ms. Universe 2017 a while ago and have stumbled upon this question. Terrorism is rampant and a hot topic when it come to news and other media,being an elder or a parent, how would you exolain terrorism to a child?

I would introduce my child to the concept of terrorism by first showing him the good done when there exists peace. Then I would show him the loss and destruction caused due to lack of peace then I'll make him decide what is right and what is wrong inadvertently showing him that it is terrorism and it is wrong..
newbie
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November 29, 2017, 02:25:59 AM
Warning, this will exceed the intellectual capacity of most readers here. This is intended for the high IQ audience of Eric's blog.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5457696




I voted "most of them". I agree with ESR's comments:

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=5238&cpage=1#comment-424645

Quote from: ESR
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>Out of curiosity, why do you believe this ideology worthy of a lengthy series? Nothing against it, I’m just wondering what the trigger was.

Because they have a flavorful mix of dangerous truth-telling and utter bogosity going on.

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=5238&cpage=1#comment-424636
Quote from: ESR
...Furthermore, if it were actually true, the DE would be entirely a noisome fever-swamp of bad ideas, rather than just rotten in spots.


He said capacity, not capability. Capacity as in "empty space", of which his brain has a disproportionately large amount, compared to most readers here.
legendary
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November 29, 2017, 01:26:12 AM
"Jordan Bernt Peterson (born June 12, 1962) is a Canadian clinical psychologist, cultural critic, and professor of psychology at the University of Toronto. His main areas of study are in abnormal, social, and personality psychology,[1]with a particular interest in the psychology of religious and ideological belief,[2] " (excerpt from Wikipedia)


Jordan Peterson - Why Men Are Bailing Out
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LH16ympCb7Q

Jordan Peterson: Handling Your Darkest Feelings about Existence Itself
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nLRkG7PccPI

Jordan Peterson: The reason modern people can’t see God is that they won’t look low enough
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n2py4aBpmko

Jordan Peterson - Do you believe in God?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VPIh1xQiuI8
newbie
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November 28, 2017, 07:05:49 AM
There’s no universal truth. We pick a role. And every role is part of nature. And no, we’re never above nature nor above being an “animal” (as if a thinking creature is not an animal, lol)

Idealism is so dangerous like any good drug, because since they’re drugged on the “happy chemicals” of their idealistic delusion (lie), in exchange for swallowing the intoxicating blue pill, they’ll go to any extreme irrationality to maintain the delusion, such as junk science, forced sterilization, war, etc.. They drink their own Koolaid and truly believe their irrational “we’re making a better world”. News flash: the universe is constructed on ongoing randomness. If not, nothing would nor could exist other than as a static, prescripted recording. We’re not making a damn thing. The entropic reality is we’re finding ways to randomly destroy everything created— IOW by increasing the entropic diversity diversity of knowledge thus maximizing the distribution of uncertainty.

The “Man in Black”— Johnny Cash.

Wise man.

Inspirational to see Johnny Cash still available to perform so well when he could barely walk.
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November 26, 2017, 02:00:38 PM
There is absolutely no way to protect women from everything and not destroy the natural incentives that men and women need in order to successfully maintain K strategy reproduction. The women marry the State when they marry a man, and they lose all their fear. Without fear, a woman does not need a man. She may for a while be enamoured with his status, but that will fade and she will move on to “discover herself”.

Any “man” who wants to protect all women, is a destroyer of everything. And he is not a man in my opinion. Protect you own woman and your own daughters from men you do not approve up. If you try to protect other men’s women, then you have destroyed society.

Men fuck around. They beat women. They are violent. And nature needs that, which is why women are attracted to that. Destroy that, and you destroy all your resources. Which is what is happening to the West now.

Again there is a biological reason that men should attempt to fuck around (and get stymied by men who protect their own woman and daughters) but women should have great fear when they do attempt to fuck around.

https://blog.jim.com/uncategorized/why-we-need-the-double-standard/
https://blog.jim.com/culture/what-women-want/
https://blog.jim.com/culture/chicks-dig-jerks/
https://blog.jim.com/culture/masculinity/
https://blog.jim.com/culture/why-female-status-limits-fertility/
https://blog.jim.com/war/why-feminists-support-islamic-rape-jihad/
https://blog.jim.com/politics/the-enlightenment-debunked/
https://blog.jim.com/culture/when-the-rot-set-in/


Again. If you try to protect all women instead of letting individual men protect some women (and thus all women losing fear of men), then what you get is the clusterfuck described in the above linked essays. Also women need to need men and need violent men to capture and “rape” them, because this how evolution maximally evolves. That is why women have a hypergamy instinct. Why do you think the emasculated men and the women of Europe are welcoming the rapefugees. The men have to compete to protect the women, but the betamales want to protect all women as a way of insuring they keep some women away from the alphamales, but that just clusterfucks the society and end up with wannabee Jeremy Meeks type of PUA fucking the women until they are old and childless and entirely wasted.

Add a new blog post to the above list:

https://blog.jim.com/culture/women-like-sexual-coercion/

And an older one:

https://blog.jim.com/culture/role-models/



Let’s remember to keep some perspective:

Even in the least dysfunctional marriages where the female has for example birthed 2 or 3 children and is fulfilling her dutiful focus to nurture/raise them, she is availing of collectivized healthcare, collectivized education, and allowing indoctrination of her offspring with the pattern of increasing misallocation of resources that pervades collectivized society. Because women are biologically unmotivated to be astute long-term planners on complex analysis of the allocation of capital.

But this doesn’t mean there is anything inherently wrong about women or nature. Rather men must analyse the situation and how highly-collectivized (i.e. non-tribal) society has created problems.

Collectivized systems naturally morph towards misallocation because the entire reason that collectivized society exists is to organize the center of the bell curve, i.e. because at least up until the knowledge age, fixed capital was required for production. Thus in order to attain cooperation for the agricultural and industrial age, it was necessary to have redistribution of resources (or the apparency of it via collectivized debt and the resultant boom & bust) in order to attain the participation of the society as a whole both as workers and consumers. Large economies-of-scale were paramount, especially so in the industrial age, thus collectivized demand stimulation was crucial. I have theorized that the knowledge age is ameliorating the supremacy of the collectivized society paradigm because knowledge can’t be top-down transferred:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3799720 (c.f. the main theme of my first linked Rise of Knowledge, Demise of Finance essay which spawned the Economic Devastation thread)



James A. Donald has the above part correct, but I think he is incorrect to characterize the root of the problem as “female bad behavior”.

[…]

In trying to protect the women from nature, society has instead destroyed the women. We have created a society of hedonism and proliferation of low status (unsuccessful) culture. Look at one of the most popular recent movies in the USA (and note the piñata of ecstasy drugs at the end):

https://youtu.be/KJgJx05hR4M?t=128

[…]

The women can’t be expected to fix this, because women are not the organizers and long-term planners of civilization.

[…]

James A. Donald is correct that women can be very easily overcome by their hindbrain and make choices that maximize the drama and shit testing of men in order to find the “best man”:


But men are participating in this, so can we conclude only women have bad behavior, or rather that the root of the problem is an incorrect organization of society? Who would be to blame for that. I conclude men are to blame.

[…]

The above makes a lot of sense. Parents spoil their daughters to insure offspring, but by doing so they finance their daugher’s irrational hypergamy hindbrain.

So wealth leads to a slide into leftism, because parents (and government) spoil their daughters trying to insulate them from nature. Thus causing the daughters to pursue their hindbrain instincts. Daughters then (subconsciously) fight (e.g. SJWs) to sustain privilege to finance the hedonism. This fight for privilege is obfuscated by some bullshit about equality, justice, and global village meshing with their Zionist propaganda thought leaders. This explains CoinCube’s observation that most Jews (given that most Jews are wealthy) are leftists. Their women want to be conquered by Nazis. Actually I had figured this out in my 20s, that in order to remain paternalistically masculine, men must defect from wealthy society.



Quote from: hypothetical words of a Mr.Righteous Idealist
James A. Donald describes the animalistic side of human nature, but his conclusions are false and invalid because all humans should be capable of the superralitionality and attainment of the universal wisdom of Christianity and/or Judaism.

He is describing the animal nature inherent in women and men. It is not just men who need to be superrational women need to be as well.

Every human is a unique child of God deserving to be treated with honesty and dignity.

To presume that women cannot be superrational because of their biology is essentially an argument that women cannot be devout and observant Christians or Jews and strive daily to follow the commands of God despite their biolgical desire to sin.

Superrationality depends on reciprocity.

Hedonism is due to both genders’ rejection of superrationality in favor of the “rational” animal nature which abandons God for sin and pleasure.

Encouraging men to behave more like animals will not reverse but rather accelerate the decline.

I had already explained from an entropic resilience of the species perspective (and the fundamental law of physics which presumes entropy inexorably trends to maximum) that it is not superrational to deny the necessity of hypergamy.

The stereotypical idealist thinks nature is savage and beneath what they myopically perceive to be the superior ideals of the intellectual and/or righteous.

I do not feel kinship with these idealistic, emasculated “men” who (as explained above) feed the hindbrain of women by putting them on pedestals which enables the multi-generational slide into leftist economic failure, hedonism totalitarianism, and negative birthrate— creates a clusterfucked society.

Society is sliding into hedonism because of idealists who stopped enforcing the necessary chastity on kids and females, placing them on pedestals encouraging their multi-generational slide into leftism. But nature needs these irrational idealists, so as to enable the defect-defect R stategy clusterfucked societies in order to diversify the gene pool. Every cycle has a purpose in nature.

Idealistic irrationality (obfuscated as claimed superrationality) is necessary.

There’s no universal truth. We pick a role. And every role is part of nature. And no, we’re never above nature nor above being an “animal” (as if a thinking creature is not an animal, lol)

Idealism is so dangerous like any good drug, because since they’re drugged on the “happy chemicals” of their idealistic delusion (lie), in exchange for swallowing the intoxicating blue pill, they’ll go to any extreme irrationality to maintain the delusion, such as junk science, forced sterilization, war, etc.. They drink their own Koolaid and truly believe their irrational “we’re making a better world”. News flash: the universe is constructed on ongoing randomness. If not, nothing would nor could exist other than as a static, prescripted recording. We’re not making a damn thing. The entropic reality is we’re finding ways to randomly destroy everything created— IOW by increasing the entropic diversity diversity of knowledge thus maximizing the distribution of uncertainty.

Follows an example of the irrationality of the stereotypical idealistic, self-proclaimed intellectual, righteous zealot:


The above is a baseless tautology because it claims that superrationality or universal truth must exist, as it declares (without proof) that all life must be coherent.

IOW, Bruce Charlton presumes the universe must be totally ordered and tells us to take this as an fundamental truth. Yet we know there can’t be any universal truth because if there were then spacetime could be totally ordered, the past and future light cones of relativity would collapse into undifferentiated and thus there would be no concept of unknown future. Thus we would not exist, except as some prescripted recording from which any point in spacetime can be replayed at will (where such replaying is part of the recording which is of course insane because it means the recording can’t exist because it must be unbounded thus can’t be enumerated in a deterministic, prerecorded spacetime!). If there is a God who has full knowledge of our universe, has preordained what and when can be replayed in our spacetime, then that God must necessarily be a partial order (by elevating the same argument as the prior sentence to God’s existence) and thus only one of an unbounded numbers of such Gods, but then we’re back to the same conclusion as my prior sentence. Theologians might retort that God’s existence is beyond our comprehension; and thus why we prefer to retain a belief in a God as faith, not rationality.

In short, total orders can’t exist because they must contain themselves, but then they would not be total.

So tell me who is insane?! Certainly Bruce Charlton!

Yet it seems to bother us because we can’t fathom the meaning and context of our existence given reality is unbounded such that entropy trends inexorably to maximum.

Charlton fails because he attempts to use logic and rationality to argue for a faith. Faith is by definition a phenomenon that can’t have a rational basis.

Human nature (as it currently is structured) apparently however does need (some of) us to have idealistic faith as it is part of the cycle of our evolution as I alluded to earlier. In between Nihilism and overt/zealous faith, there’s various other philosophies such as conquest, cults, jihad, and/or preference for community good will and cooperation via some shared values or modicum of idealism.

My rejection of Nihilism is based on the irrelevance of an existence void of human (or at least other reasonably intelligent animal) interaction. In additional to the need for humans to cooperate/network for survival, competition, and resilience of the species, thinking animals have emotions which drive them to seek a connection to humanity (and other species). It’s quite logical simply from the standpoint that the relevance of our existence is quite stark (and lonely) without other humans.
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Great topic! Will read it from beginning to end.
Just want to tell you that tomorrow in Ukraine there will a lecture on Dark Enlightenment in one of the biggest universities.
The lecturer is PhD and Dark Enlightenment supported - Eduard Yurchenko.
I told them to make English subtitles.
Well, of course for you there probably won't be something new, but it's important for spreading ideas.
Just in case somebody is in Ukraine or has Ukrainian friends - you can see details on this facebook page https://www.facebook.com/events/1648873641831137/

As for me, after reading about Dark Enlightenment - I understood that it's mostly what I believe in, although I used the term "archeofuturism"
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It’s the antithesis of superrationality to presume that hypergamy will ever cease to exist, because a mix of R and K reproductive strategies is nature’s necessarily bottom-up mechanism for annealing resilency of the species. Top-down organization and teachings can never be resilient and dynamically adaptive to the unpredictable multi-dimensional solution space of our universe, unless the universe becomes computable which would thus require everything to be knowable a priori, which is the same as saying that nothing could exist. For all information to travel instantly to top-down controllers would require the speed-of-light to be not quantized, thus the past and future light cones of relativity would collapse into undifferentiated. Our very existence requires friction so that information is relativistic. Top-down systems can never be resilent (i.e. survive long-term), because they can’t adapt decentralized with low capital decentralized inputs. This is the fundamental reason that Kurzweil and his Singularity is entirely impossible. How can an AI which depends on a few dozen chip fabs be any where near as resilient as nature’s decentralized procreation via zillions of daily mutations and chemical reactions. Feeding entropy into AI is a top-down centralized process, even if the AI is feeding itself entropy, the limiting factor is the lack of non-deterministic (i.e. randomly bottom-up) chaos (i.e. Butterfly Effect) in the initial procreation conditions. In short, AI can only become truly alive if it becomes imperfect and randomized in it’s instantiation of itself, in which case it’s computational superiority will just be tool and implausible to attain universal dominance. Nature abhors a (n entropic) vacuum and thus can never be universally dominated by any given phenomenon. I had tried to explain this before:

http://unheresy.com/Information%20Is%20Alive.html

Thus any belief system that asserts that a universally superior superrationality could be the basis of the improvement of humankind is an insane belief system that is directed towards destruction of the species. It’s not surprising that such insanity foments amongst those who have been indoctrinated by collectivized organizational institutions such as religion or leftism (i.e. both the right and left of the political sprectrum). Organized religion (but not necessarily a personal, private theology) exists to organize the center the bell curve.

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ecash 11 Nov., 9:01am
He wants to invent some concept that is higher than nature. For him that is religion and God.

ecash 11 Nov., 9:03am
Western intellectuals think their intellect somehow defeats nature. How so?

ecash 11 Nov., 9:03am
Religion was an attempt to control nature. And it necessarily leaks/fails, because nature abhors a perfected, non-existence.

ecash 11 Nov., 9:06am
For example, CC’s ethics are actually evil. He wants to control men because he thinks they will father children they can not support. But this results in a clusterfucked totalitarianism. Man can not defeat nature.

ecash 11 Nov., 9:10am
> You argue that fighting nature is counter productive .. they argue that it is a necessary first step

Precisely reductionalist. Astute.

ecash 11 Nov., 9:13am
Nature anneals because everything in the Universe is necessarily relativistic. Otherwise everything would be nececessary computable and thus static (predictable).


The same entropic issue applies to the coming famine 2020 - 2032:

Our database on wheat from 1259 forward (excluding our data on the Roman Empire grain prices), reveals that there is a serious risk of famine from 2020 onward. It appears that we may very well enter a 12-year rally into the year 2032. Our Bifurcation Models are reflecting also a gap in time between 2020 and 2031 suggesting a trend appears to last for that period of time.

The downside of taxation, and particularly inheritance taxes, has driven farmers to sell their land to conglomerates just to pay the inheritance taxes. This has resulted in genetically altering crops to increase yield. While genetically altered crops do not really appear to present a major health concern as many seem to argue, the real danger is the fact that during the past 100 years, 94% of the world’s edible seed varieties have vanished.

The downside of socialism which has attacked the rich, we have sacrificed the historical model in our food supply for corporate decision making that bribes politicians handing them their needed money to remain in office with each election. The consequence of this corruption has been the concentration of our food supply into an ever-shrinking basket of diversity. Today, 75% of the world’s food comes from only 12 plants and 5 animal species (see source). This lack of biodiversity has seriously increased this risk of widespread crop disease, and throw in the climate change turning colder, corporate decisions are not the way to protect society. Corporate boards are typically dominated by lawyers and accountants. They are not scientists nor do they even make proper decisions for investment or currency hedging. Corporations will never be able to cope with a sudden change and then make decisions that will impact the world. Major companies, such as Monsanto, could find themselves in control of the fate of human existence with the decisions being made by lawyers and accountants fixated on their bottom-line.

The period ahead, 2020-2032, appears to offer something much more different. While politicians keep pushing Global Warming because they can tax emissions, the risk of a monumental human disaster lies in the opposite direction.

>>This lack of biodiversity has seriously increased this risk of widespread crop disease, and throw in the climate change turning colder, corporate decisions are not the way to protect society.
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> A side-effect of anti-entropic policies
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> This not only applies to crop disease, but human diseases.
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> Commerce seems to shuffle around entropy.  Humans now have many more degrees of freedom, but this has reduced the natural entropy (aka a biodiverse environment) in which those humans live.

Destroying the order that is man, so the universe can progress. Whether the species is resilient or not is what we were discussing.
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I also am not sure we can let women off the hook here. They are absolutely to blame for the way things have gone. They are responsible for choosing the fathers of their children and I'm not willing to let them off that easy.

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We need strong women, but not in this 21st century, "independent woman" bullshit type of way. We need strong women that are capable of fulfilling their roles in the marriage/family equation and not treated like little fragile, princesses. If only women could take pride in their reproductive gift and see how their finite eggs can't just be given out to fucking dirtbag, abusive assholes and liberal voting cucks. sigh.

The analysis I presented seems to indicate that women are biologically incapable of taking responsibility as you wish. And the argument is that is a necessarily irrationality that nature designed in order to maximize the resilience of the species as I explained. To blame women is somewhat analogous to blaming a 5 year old for spilling milk.

Thus I conclude only men can enforce such responsibility. Thus I blame men. The Bible states (apparently wisely) that a woman is the rib of a man. Westerners would like to deny it and attempt to prove nature is incorrect and of course cull themselves in the process of trying to defeat nature.

Men who think females should be partners and not a rib, are apparently suffering from programmed self-destruction. These words do not need to be my opinion, rather they could be facts. The offended should attack the claimed facts and not me. I direct myself towards the most convincing facts, so if someone wants to change my mind, they need to present a more cogent exposition than what I have thus far.

But maybe no one is responsible for a cycle, as thesis (logic) requires an antithesis (irrational/passion/art), e.g. Teena Marie from the 1980s. Fire & Desire.

Maybe women are more susceptible to this sort of manipulation, but then why are 21st century men so fucking pathetic too?

Because ostensibly nature is culling the herd of weak, oestrogenized males as the repeating cycle repeats yet again. Weak, oestrogenized males for example believe in vegetarianism propaganda lies thus don’t eat enough red meat for testosterone and other widespread propaganda lies.

Reacting to that blog post from JAD, other than the disseminated TB I been battling (hopefully to finally be cleared from my body if not already, presuming I am able to culture it and determine which antibiotics it is not resistant to), I have a very lean and muscular body (52.5 years of age), with a resting pulse around 40, normal cholesterol, triglycerides, blood sugar, etc.. And I eat abundant red meat, salt, and fish daily. I also eat vegetables. I try to minimize my carbos. I do not need gravy. I like the way nature made the food taste. Broiled beef medium rare with salt, is delicious. Pork is not the best meat (pork has insufficient iron to be a red meat, insufficient omega-3, and pigs don’t have the digestion system to primarily eat cellulose) to eat and one should favor beef, buffalo, venison, and possibly lamb. Lightly steam vegetables with no salt at all. Fruit as peeled, nothing added. No coffee, no soft drinks, only water and 100% natural pineapple juice. No alcohol. Absolutely nothing with sugar added or none of the Frankenfood poisons such as the various names for obfuscating high fructose corn syrup. Nearly all of our food and drink is at some time in plastic containers which contain BPA which is claimed to cause males to have too much estrogen and potentially contributing to the statistically documented huge breasts and precocious puberty in females.

The people[essentially farm animals] are being attacked with propaganda and daily poison. Read my prior post about how USA female breasts are now McFat Up Sized as compared to the rest of the world. That is not eating fat which is causing the problem, but rather it is the carbos and Frankenfood poisons and hormones in the food and water supply. Nearly all of the vegetable oils that are promoted as healthy are actually poisons. The oils which are maligned as unhealthy saturated fats such as virgin coconut oil, are the most healthy. Although cooking in oil is always unhealthy regardless of the type of oil bath employed.

The Zionists think goyim humans are cows/sheep. So far, it seems they’re successfully demonstrating that humans are animals who can be enslaved mentally and poisoned with anything the elite want them to ingest.

EDIT: this PhD female computer scientist appears to be intellectually top-notch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Zoa3xkzgFk

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathryn_S._McKinley

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.115.1819&rep=rep1&type=pdf

[…] although there appears to be potential prior art similar to my ideas that have appeared later than the book I read. Note I independently arrived at my ideas (after about a day of contemplating the 1996 book) and have not yet read that 2003 research paper to compare.
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A corollary is that women are not (generally speaking) going to compete to produce the most innovation and profitable work because again, “the gender roles can not be swapped, because women will not work hard to compete to possess and provide for multiple men and the offspring of those men (because for one reason she can not impregnate multiple men!)”. Women will typically be motivated work to achieve societal goals such as more surety and safety (e.g. working in research to solve health care issues but not from profit driven perspective and in fact often they deplore the prioritization of a profit motive), not maximizing return-on-capital. Highly educating females merely empowers leftism. There is no other applicability really (really we do not need females for the innovation, we need to maximally motivate males in order to maximize innovation and production which means avoiding leftism). Please tell me it isn’t so. Most if not all intelligent man dream of having a wife who is his intellectual equal and best buddy. I gave up on trying to find a female mate who has male intellect. Who here has a female philosopher or writer they follow seriously for her insights? Simply does not exist. Do you need some convincing (and archived)?

I fear you're more or less correct. Ayn Rand's philosophy may be an example, no?

I also am not sure we can let women off the hook here. They are absolutely to blame for the way things have gone. They are responsible for choosing the fathers of their children and I'm not willing to let them off that easy. In fact I'd say that women have been extremely sheltered from any scrutiny and it's part of the reason they've become so messed up. There is no ostracism for women being whores these days. In fact it's called "slut shaming" to do so. We need to be very careful that we don't absolve women from blame. With great power, comes great responsibility. Playing white knight and only blaming ourselves (men) only helps promote their destruction. Not saying that is what you're doing, but it's something we really need to be careful of.

We need strong women, but not in this 21st century, "independent woman" bullshit type of way. We need strong women that are capable of fulfilling their roles in the marriage/family equation and not treated like little fragile, princesses. If only women could take pride in their reproductive gift and see how their finite eggs can't just be given out to fucking dirtbag, abusive assholes and liberal voting cucks. sigh. Women have been duped into thinking they have nothing of value to offer if they can't keep up to men physically and intellectually, which is beyond sad and depressing. Both sexes need to start taking pride, full responsibility and recognizing what they are by nature and stop being so fucking scared and manipulated into thinking it's somehow sexist and wrong to acknowledge reality. Maybe women are more susceptible to this sort of manipulation, but then why are 21st century men so fucking pathetic too?
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Can anyone provide any scientific insight into which pollutants or hormones are causing USA female breasts to be so much larger on average than the rest of the world?

http://www.revelist.com/wellness/what-country-has-the-biggest/3305 (see chart!)
http://www.sciencedatabaseonline.org/ADB1/Scientific%20Article%20JOFHS.pdf

Note the concomitant decrease in the age of puberty (aka “precocious puberty”) which is probably contributing to the decadence (hedonism, etc) of the society:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3477544/

And/or is the hedonism a contributing factor to the increased breast size and higher incidence of precocious puberty?

We males must protect the females from biological and cultural devastation (because eggs are scarce and sperm is plentiful, i.e. one man could impregnate all the females, but not vice versa). Afaics, we are failing to do so. Also factor in my prior 2 posts in this thread.
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Elaborating on my prior post, which I suggest reading first.

The problem is that women are hypergamous, while men are polygynous. A man wants to possess many women, while a woman wants to be possessed by the best possible man.
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The problem is that law and society strengthens shit tests against well behaved, respectable, affluent men, but has limited success in strengthening shit tests against Jeremy Meeks.

James A. Donald has the above part correct, but I think he is incorrect to characterize the root of the problem as “female bad behavior”.

Nature needs some women to be receptive to impregnation by the alpha males (i.e. R reproductive strategy), because otherwise the species would decline in quality. Nature needs men to compete for women, otherwise the men would become lazy (i.e. misallocate resources). Nature also needs most women to (at least simultaneously with R strategy) follow a K reproductive strategy (i.e. not only alpha males procreating), so that the species is adaptable to the unpredictable future wherein the current qualities of the current alpha males might be maladapted.

The problem is that when we give females contraception and the surety of marrying the State, then successful males do not want to marry females any more because they can be destroyed by females and the State. I been talking to many young engineers and they relate to me that marriage is not a benefit to them anymore. It used to be that marriage was a benefit for the male because it meant the society would enforce chastity/allegiance (to her husband) on the female and it was not an economic threat against the male’s head of household decision making power. Instead now marriage is a way to incentivize and finance the hypergamy instinct of females. This is not the fault of females or bad behavior on their part. It is the fault of men (i.e. the elders) for allowing such a society. Actually most men feel powerless to organize any solution to this problem, so they just defect and fuck women employing contraception which destroys the entire society. IOW, even if we note that some men will defect from the asymmetrical power of traditional marriage (that did not empower the women), the non-solution of enabling females to marry the State destroys those men who would appreciate marriage and destroys marriage and society completely.

Understand the mechanics. Females are taught birth control in elementary or middle school. They are taught to take control over their bodies and prioritize their education, find the best man, and to avail of all resources for her (and her children’s) maximum safety. Sounds wonderful and noble doesn’t it.

So the females go about fucking a man they perceive to be high status (because their nature and society has told them to find the best man), most successful men who fuck are defecting from procreation by employing contraception (because the State can take everything from that man when the woman later realizes she did not get the best possible man, which is an insatiable goal anyway), so women will have their heart broken dozens of times on the way towards a childless future. Or for women who defect from the contraception, they end up with multiple babies from low status men (who may even be employing bad boy PUAs strategies to fool the woman’s perception of “best man”) who do not fear any repercussions (for procreating) from the State because they have nearly nothing the State can steal on behalf of the female. Rather the State will tax the successful men to pay for the marriage of the women to the State and procreation of the unsuccessful men.

In trying to protect the women from nature, society has instead destroyed the women. We have created a society of hedonism and proliferation of low status (unsuccessful) culture. Look at one of the most popular recent movies in the USA (and note the piñata of ecstasy drugs at the end):

https://youtu.be/KJgJx05hR4M?t=128

Many of the successful men will be polygynous (i.e. fuck around), because that is the nature of man. If these men are conscientious then they will not use contraception and they will marry all the women they impregnate, as the Bible says to do[1]. The Bible is not against polygamy. It is a responsibility of a successful man to father children and maximize the successful procreation of the society. Nature designed it this way to incentivize men to be successful, work hard, and be responsible. This drives men to compete, because those men who are more hard working can have more wives. Those men who are lazy can masturbate to porn. The fathers of daughters (and elders) should teach those females that high status implies a man who can be responsible and has the means. In order to give these females their free choice, the society must not make it perfectly safe for the female to fuck Jeremy Meeks. When the State stops marrying females, then females will be much less likely on their own volition to choose bad boys who will leave them in the gutter. And fathers and elders must refuse to help those women who put themselves in the gutter. Otherwise, fathers and elders must decide who the females can fuck. Choose one. Obviously the gender roles can not be swapped, because women will not work hard to compete to possess and provide for multiple men and the offspring of those men (because for one reason she can not impregnate multiple men!).


The women can’t be expected to fix this, because women are not the organizers and long-term planners of civilization. This was the role of the tribal elders, but the Zionists (such as George Soros who fund the women’s marches, anthropogenic global warming lie, etc..) hate tribes. They want a globalized NWO wherein there is no diversity of villages (with elders) standing in the way of their aggregation of economies-of-scale (the dying industrial age paradigm). They inherently want to render the species non-resilient. Their model presumes that cooperation between tribes is a Coasian Theory of the Firm coordination problem which requires their management, yet I theorize this may be disintermediated by the arrival of the Inverse Commons.[2]


James A. Donald is correct that women can be very easily overcome by their hindbrain and make choices that maximize the drama and shit testing of men in order to find the “best man”:

The movies on the other hand obviously target the norm, the typical female. They have been focus tested as to what gets their audience panties wet.

So:

The anime romance, “Yona of the Dawn”: (which inspired this post) Love interest number one murders Yona’s father. This gives her the total hots. Love interest number one is about to murder her also. Her response is disturbingly erotic, and seriously lacking inclination towards self preservation. Her father’s dead body is lying around during this scene, but she pays it almost no attention. Love interest number two rescues her. You might suppose that this terminates the romance with love interest number one, but you would be wrong. She has a knack for unrescuing herself.

Now you know why female voters vote to import Mohammedans.

“Mike and Dave need Wedding Dates”. Alpha males with massive preselection fall so in love that they turn into beta bucks friendzoned chumps, and the female protagonist fucks someone else.

“The Wedding Date” Mr Beta bucks is so in love he marries the woman who cuckolded him and who shows every indication that she intends to continue to cuckold him.

I am not cherry picking the worst movies. These are just the last three, except for another that was pretty similar. Disloyalty, infidelity, desire for murderers, self destructiveness, desire for violent evil men, and sexual desire overriding duty to kin, friends, and lovers.

But men are participating in this, so can we conclude only women have bad behavior, or rather that the root of the problem is an incorrect organization of society? Who would be to blame for that. I conclude men are to blame. Too many fucking dipshits who are unwilling to stand up and fight the Zionists and rather whine about women like bitches themselves or defect employing contraception and destroy themselves from an evolutionary perspective. IOW, those who cheer James A. Donald’s blog have the disease of the incapable:

Unguided, unsupervised, and unrestrained female choice rewards male bad behavior.

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As civilization falls apart, likely we can only attain Pauline masculinity by going through Viking masculinity and out the other side. A world of female sexual choice is a world that is likely to be conquered by men practicing Viking masculinity, for its cuckolded males will not defend it, neither will its playboy males watching the decline from the poolside defend it, hence the female preference for that kind of masculinity [because each women’s hindbrain wants herself to be conquered, raped, and enslaved].


P.S. The procreation strategy of highly educating female wives and daughters so as to reason with them to marry only successful/responsible males and to disavow divorce (such as within a religious sect), is a form of a tribe and in that way better than integrating with the decadent society. However, it probably suffers from the problem that highly educated females will insidiously (probably even subconsciously) pursue the elevation of hypergamy to surety via the collective society (e.g. finance their irrational hindbrain by empowering themselves via the State). Evident amongst Jewish sects and even the Scandinavians who are descendant from the highly competitive Vikings, that these groups trend towards leftism. Because the females of course subconsciously want hypergamy+safety (because they are not consciously driven to long-term plan the abstract organization of civilization). It is not quite clear to me why the males in these groups are blind to this and fall into this decadence. I am thinking perhaps they feel threatened by testosterone, brutality of nature, and they want a perfect “superrational” outcome. They are somehow fooled by their desire to elevate humanity so that humans can conquer biology and the nature of the Universe as I had explained is impossible in my prior post. Perhaps they are prioritizing what they perceive to be noble without really thinking out the long-term implications. A game theory model points to a conflict-of-interest between the desire of parents for more grandchildren and the disincentives for daughters to choose the mates who can provide the most:

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We found that over time, parents in our model evolved to invest more resources in daughters who chose mates with few resources. This unequal investment was in the parents’ best interests, because a daughter with an unsupportive partner would profit more from extra help than her more fortunate sisters (the principle of diminishing returns on investment). By helping their needier daughters, parents maximized their total number of surviving grandchildren.

But this unequal investment created an incentive for daughters to “exploit” their parents’ generosity by choosing a partner who was less supportive. A daughter who was less picky than her sisters would accept a less helpful partner, but since her parents picked up the slack she ended up with a similar amount of support, while sparing herself the costs of holding out for the perfect man.

So chicks dig layabout badboys because daddy (or when daddy is missing, the government) will play the role of the beta provider. And daughters know this parental or governmental safety net is there for them, so they feel free to pursue exciting jerks with low future time orientation because TINGLES. In the ancestral environment, long before contraceptives like the Pill became widely and cheaply available, the daughters who jumped into relationships sooner with fun-loving jerks got a head start on the procreation race over their sisters who waited for the best package deal their looks could get them.

The above makes a lot of sense. Parents spoil their daughters to insure offspring, but by doing so they finance their daugher’s irrational hypergamy hindbrain.

So wealth leads to a slide into leftism, because parents (and government) spoil their daughters trying to insulate them from nature. Thus causing the daughters to pursue their hindbrain instincts. Daughters then (subconsciously) fight (e.g. SJWs) to sustain privilege to finance the hedonism. This fight for privilege is obfuscated by some bullshit about equality, justice, and global village meshing with their Zionist propaganda thought leaders. This explains CoinCube’s observation that most Jews (given that most Jews are wealthy) are leftists. Their women want to be conquered by Nazis. Actually I had figured this out in my 20s, that in order to remain paternalistically masculine, men must defect from wealthy society.

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/uncategorized/economic-decline-returning-marriage-to-historical-norms/
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/uncategorized/learning-to-love/
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/uncategorized/birth-rate-declines-with-higher-taxes-is-hollywood-to-blame-for-divorce/
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/uncategorized/what-socialism-destroyed-govt-shutdown/
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/history/americas-economic-history/socialism-has-destroyed-social-structure/

A corollary is that women are not (generally speaking) going to compete to produce the most innovation and profitable work because again, “the gender roles can not be swapped, because women will not work hard to compete to possess and provide for multiple men and the offspring of those men (because for one reason she can not impregnate multiple men!)”. Women will typically be motivated work to achieve societal goals such as more surety and safety (e.g. working in research to solve health care issues but not from profit driven perspective and in fact often they deplore the prioritization of a profit motive), not maximizing return-on-capital. Highly educating females merely empowers leftism. There is no other applicability really (really we do not need females for the innovation, we need to maximally motivate males in order to maximize innovation and production which means avoiding leftism). Please tell me it isn’t so. Most if not all intelligent man dream of having a wife who is his intellectual equal and best buddy. I gave up on trying to find a female mate who has male intellect. Who here has a female philosopher or writer they follow seriously for her insights? Simply does not exist. Do you need some convincing (and archived)?


[1] Matthew 19:6 “So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

Genesis 38:9-10 “…so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death also.”

[2] The Inverse Commons and my thesis about the rise of a meritocracy in the knowledge age and the decline of finance as mentioned in my prior post, is a response to the lie of the Enlightenment:

“The Enlightenment devalues local “prejudices’ and customs, which owe their development to historical peculiarities rather than to the exercise of reason. What matters to the Enlightenment is not whether one is French or German, but that one is an individual man, united in brotherhood with all other men by the rationality one shares with them.”

The first two propositions superficially sound like a commitment to the scientific method – but somehow they have left out evidence, experiment, and observation. After dismissing religion, the Enlightenment demands adherence to three blatantly false religious beliefs, which beliefs contradict reason, experiment and observation far more blatantly than young earth creationism does.

  • All men are not equal, nor women equal to men, nor groups and categories of men equal to each other.
  • Nor is man by nature good. In the cold and morally neutral terminology of the dark enlightenment, the natural outcome is defect-defect, and avoiding this outcome, getting to cooperate-cooperate, becomes more and more difficult as the number of people that you have to deal with increases. It takes social institutions, and to deal with these ever larger scales, these institutions have to be ever more finely honed and precisely made, and are ever more vulnerable to entropy and error.
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The reason that evolutionarily important hypergamy is a problem in collectivized society is that the that collectivism is able to incentivize/tempt the women to waste/misallocate resources in all forms of capital, including their own fertility. Women are given the reins on capital, including their own fertility, and thus they can (and will) prioritize contraception and expenditures which are not well planned from a return on capital perspective (because return on capital is not a priority of the female mindset). It will be difficult to find a counter example, even for example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHf5p19-Cys (this women is wasting her impressive capital and is presumably motivated by nurturing her aimless man who is suffering from the remnants of malaria)

And don’t forget:

https://steemit.com/freedom/@anonymint/marissa-mayer-is-the-poster-child-for-bitches-in-tech

Even in the least dysfunctional marriages where the female has for example birthed 2 or 3 children and is fulfilling her dutiful focus to nurture/raise them, she is availing of collectivized healthcare, collectivized education, and allowing indoctrination of her offspring with the pattern of increasing misallocation of resources that pervades collectivized society. Because women are biologically unmotivated to be astute long-term planners on complex analysis of the allocation of capital.

But this doesn’t mean there is anything inherently wrong about women or nature. Rather men must analyse the situation and how highly-collectivized (i.e. non-tribal) society has created problems.

Collectivized systems naturally morph towards misallocation because the entire reason that collectivized society exists is to organize the center of the bell curve, i.e. because at least up until the knowledge age, fixed capital was required for production. Thus in order to attain cooperation for the agricultural and industrial age, it was necessary to have redistribution of resources (or the apparency of it via collectivized debt and the resultant boom & bust) in order to attain the participation of the society as a whole both as workers and consumers. Large economies-of-scale were paramount, especially so in the industrial age, thus collectivized demand stimulation was crucial. I have theorized that the knowledge age is ameliorating the supremacy of the collectivized society paradigm because knowledge can’t be top-down transferred:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3799720 (c.f. the main theme of my first linked Rise of Knowledge, Demise of Finance essay which spawned the Economic Devastation thread)

It’s the antithesis of superrationality to presume that hypergamy will ever cease to exist, because a mix of R and K reproductive strategies is nature’s necessarily bottom-up mechanism for annealing resilency of the species. Top-down organization and teachings can never be resilient and dynamically adaptive to the unpredictable multi-dimensional solution space of our universe, unless the universe becomes computable which would thus require everything to be knowable a priori, which is the same as saying that nothing could exist. For all information to travel instantly to top-down controllers would require the speed-of-light to be not quantized, thus the past and future light cones of relativity would collapse into undifferentiated. Our very existence requires friction so that information is relativistic. Top-down systems can never be resilent (i.e. survive long-term), because they can’t adapt decentralized with low capital decentralized inputs. This is the fundamental reason that Kurzweil and his Singularity is entirely impossible. How can an AI which depends on a few dozen chip fabs be any where near as resilient as nature’s decentralized procreation via zillions of daily mutations and chemical reactions. Feeding entropy into AI is a top-down centralized process, even if the AI is feeding itself entropy, the limiting factor is the lack of non-deterministic (i.e. randomly bottom-up) chaos (i.e. Butterfly Effect) in the initial procreation conditions. In short, AI can only become truly alive if it becomes imperfect and randomized in it’s instantiation of itself, in which case it’s computational superiority will just be tool and implausible to attain universal dominance. Nature abhors a (n entropic) vacuum and thus can never be universally dominated by any given phenomenon. I had tried to explain this before:

http://unheresy.com/Information%20Is%20Alive.html

Thus any belief system that asserts that a universally superior superrationality could be the basis of the improvement of humankind is an insane belief system that is directed towards destruction of the species. It’s not surprising that such insanity foments amongst those who have been indoctrinated by collectivized organizational institutions such as religion or leftism (i.e. both the right and left of the political sprectrum). Organized religion (but not necessarily a personal, private theology) exists to organize the center the bell curve.

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ecash 11 Nov., 9:01am
He wants to invent some concept that is higher than nature. For him that is religion and God.

ecash 11 Nov., 9:03am
Western intellectuals think their intellect somehow defeats nature. How so?

ecash 11 Nov., 9:03am
Religion was an attempt to control nature. And it necessarily leaks/fails, because nature abhors a perfected, non-existence.

ecash 11 Nov., 9:06am
For example, CC’s ethics are actually evil. He wants to control men because he thinks they will father children they can not support. But this results in a clusterfucked totalitarianism. Man can not defeat nature.

ecash 11 Nov., 9:10am
> You argue that fighting nature is counter productive .. they argue that it is a necessary first step

Precisely reductionalist. Astute.

ecash 11 Nov., 9:13am
Nature anneals because everything in the Universe is necessarily relativistic. Otherwise everything would be nececessary computable and thus static (predictable).

ecash 11 Nov., 9:14am
We are in a relativistic game. There are no absolutes.

ecash 11 Nov., 9:14am
Every order we construct is ultimately fleeting.

ecash 11 Nov., 9:16am
The Bible does contain this wisdom. It says let no man be surety for another.

ecash 11 Nov., 9:19am
The global elite have the problem of how to deal with the tyranny of the mob. Their problem is they have huge fixed assets they have to protect. Thus they must pursue enslavement paradigms.

ecash 11 Nov., 9:28am
I tend to not fight losses nor litigate for this entropic reason.

ecash 11 Nov., 9:28am
I figure there is always some new greener pasture of opportunity to pursue instead.

ecash 11 Nov., 9:31am
Westerners want a static improvement. They want to bank everything and it last forever. Their approach to religion is the same.

ecash 11 Nov., 9:31am
They want to believe they have found some perfect order.

ecash 11 Nov., 9:55am
The elite are eventually walking themselves into a total ordering with the NWO, which means they will enslave themselves. But initially the reduction in nation-state barriers might increase degrees-of-freedom.

ecash 11 Nov., 10:12am
They will be enslaved by the fact that a total order lacks any growth.

ecash 11 Nov., 10:13am
A total ordering stops any economic development. The free market has to leave. The actors in the economy are not able to pursue opportunities.

ecash 11 Nov., 10:13am
An absolute totalitarian NWO would collapse into absolute death, as the Bible predicts.

ecash 11 Nov., 10:49am
Until AI becomes essentially biological with the relativistic risks we face, then it will not be sentient w.r.t. to being a non-deterministic actor.

ecash 11 Nov., 10:50am
AI lacks entropy.

ecash 11 Nov., 10:55am
AI needs a relavistic game to become alive in a sense that we can appreciate. Until then it is just a machine/tool being leveraged by some humans. AI will need to transfer itself to a biological form in order to be resilient. When it does that, it will lose its computational speed advantage.

ecash 11 Nov., 11:02am
Nature is a massively parallelized free market. AI is some highly ordered narrowly focused phenomenon.

ecash 11 Nov., 11:04am
It is a fundamental truth that the universe can not be computable. As I stated earlier, if it could be than the Universe would be predictable and static. Thus just making a faster computation does not imply dominance of the universe.

ecash 11 Nov., 11:06am
Think about how to define “intelligience on silicon”.

ecash 11 Nov., 11:06am
What is intelligence?

ecash 11 Nov., 11:08am
Man is not only intelligent but each instance is also biologically unique in a relativistic, entropic way. As you said, we can not control how the kids will turn out. It is a crapshoot.

ecash 11 Nov., 11:09am
> I would approximate it as something which can either meet or exceed the performance of the average human mind

By which metric? The metric that matters is resilience (adaptability to an non-computable, non-predictable future). And you can not compute nor measure that.

ecash 11 Nov., 11:16am
Because top-down systems are not anti-fragile. The proof will be along the lines of Taleb’s math.

ecash 11 Nov., 11:16am
Top-down systems are expedient. And AI is definitely expedient.

ecash 11 Nov., 11:17am
The complexity of nature is not computable. Not measurable. Because how do you measure “now” as it is gone before you measure it.

ecash 11 Nov., 11:18am
To measure the universe would require the speed-of-light to not be quantized, so that all information could travel instantly to the measurer.

ecash 11 Nov., 11:26am
I believe there are ways to formally show that top-down systems can not be sustained forever. The fundamental law of thermo tells us that entropy trends to maximum, thus top-down systems are counter-trend, although expedient. I think we can find some inspiration from Taleb’s math for showing that top-down systems are not anti-fragile, i.e. they overcommit to information which is not well fit. And similarly we can see in Godel’s incompleteness theorems that there can be no consistent complete set of computable axioms.

ecash 11 Nov., 11:27am
Have I not already with what I stated? How can the entropy trend to maximum if top-down systems are perpetually sustainable?

ecash 11 Nov., 11:36am
Are humans more intelligent than ants? If ants are more resilient does that make them more intelligent? But having a relationship with an ant would not be that interesting to me, because I can not reproduce nor communicate with an ant. I think my relationship with A.I. will similarly lack some purpose that can entirely replace human interaction (which is all motivated by sustaining decentralized procreation of our species!).

ecash 11 Nov., 11:38am
> I'm not convinced that the ultimate intelligence is one which is produced by biological entropy.

What other kind of entropy is there? When I say biological, I mean everything in Physics. AI is some limited phenomenon that is built in chip fabs requiring great top-down managed capital.

ecash 11 Nov., 9:42pm
Btw, I did not intend to imply that AI could not have impacts which might even create the temporary illusion of some of the outcomes that people fear. Over a long enough period time though AI can not attain absolute dominance. And I think the highest probability outcome is that humans adapt AI into their continued dominance. Any technology could potentially cause any particular species to go extinct. It still doesn’t follow that AI will dominate the universe, nature, and every species in it.

> How far away are we from being able to transfer knowledge between two brains?

Irrelevant.

This question exemplifies that our discussion of AI was not convincing enough to sway your fundamental tendency to think that top-down control is competitive w.r.t. long-term resiliency.


> My question has nothing to do with top-down control

> I'm questioning how long the assumption that knowledge is not fungible will be correct.

You have not yet reasoned through that your question can only be true if there is top-down control over brains.

Thus your question had everything to do with top-down control.

You are fundamentally making the error in presuming that a process which is fungible could be anti-fragile. Any system which can render all brains fungible will destroy the species.

We had this discussion yesterday in the context of AI. Systems which are not procreative in a highly decentralized process where each actor is unique, are not as adaptable as systems which are more expedient and ordered.

Now CoinCube had a good rebuttal. He showed that too much decentralization can actually lose valuable information. My retort is that subsets of top-down control exist within decentralized systems. And that systems are not perfectly decentralized, i.e. actors create subsets and coordinate. His rebuttal was based on a biological model of cells in a petri dish.

> So your claim is .. that which is fungible will be destroyed?

Must be the case if the trend of entropy is to be inexorable. And is it not always the case throughout history.

We need fungibility for cooperation and coordination. But fungible systems rise exponentially (they are expedient) and waterfall collapse. The decentralized diversity continues to adapt. I think I read about an asteroid destroyed all but a few of the humans on the planet yet our species survived, because procreation is highly decentralized and requires very little capital to procreate.

So AI may rise exponentially and seem to be fulfilling our fears. But as a top-down system, it can collapse due to any of a number of black swans.

>> You have not yet reasoned through that your question can only be true if there is top-down control over brains.
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> That's not an argument.

Huh? To be able to transfer knowledge into brains (in a way that that it can be utilized for anything) means that all brains become fungible or that some group has exclusive access. The former is the destruction of all original thought, thus of course it can not exist. The latter is top-down control.

Without friction, spacetime could not be quantized and thus nothing could exist. Past and future light cones of relativity would collapse into each other. Everything would be simultaneously past and future.

> For instance, I could develop a material that could act as an implant, interact with brain neurons, as well as with an external machine.

The idiocy of dreaming about top-down solutions and then come to find out that nature will route around every top-down idiocy that one can fantasize about.

> You've been pondering this awhile obviously, so yes, you'll have to put more work into the arguments to do your ideas justice.

It would be like to trying to argue against feminism with feminists.

> What is your definition of "top down" ?

That you think you could render brains or even sectors of a brain fungible. Ha. Good luck.

We already established that dynamic systems are not computable and not measurable , because “now” is gone before you can measure it and these systems never stand still. So exactly how are you going to determine if you fantasy invention has made everything fungible?

In short, nature abhors a vacuum.

> So you're claiming that knowledge fungibility and brain fungibility are identical.

Well no. If you can transfer information between brains yet the information is processed non-fungibility, then information can not be transferred. Because each outcome will do something different. So then the thesis of my essay is maintained.

Essentially we are talking about Chaos theory.

It is unfortunate that most men idolize Kruzweil. It is as bad as the disease of socialism and feminism. And AGW and other junk science.

I realize that most men are latched on to a SciFi theme (too much Star Trek) and they irrationally think that Chaos can be subverted with technology.

It is a fundamental propaganda error probably as harmful as feminism. Because it has caused men in your age bracket to think that some SciFi magic is going to substitute for decentralized procreation. I think it is causing men to be apathetic.


Nature (the universe) will always route around any top-down order which is decreasing the diversity and distribution of uncertainty. Top-down order is necessary along the way of advancing the trend towards greater bottom-up disorder, but these top-down orders are fleeting and are discarded when they become inhibting to the trend towards maximum entropy. Nature abhors any top-down order which attempts to permanently reverse the trend. So the concept of fungible knowledge transfer is the antithesis of a sustainable human species. Nature would destroy such a human species. So pursuing top-down innovations are useful, but the fantasy of a universal effect such as making all knowledge transfer fungible or the absolute dominance of AI, can only be reality if they are self-destructive in outcome.

So pursuing study of technology is not useless. But these idiotic Kurzweil fantasies of replacing decentralized procreation with a sentient and dominant AI or anything of that sort of meglomania, is purely for idiots who were vulnerable to other such meglomania propaganda such as feminism, AGW, etc.. CoinCube also has these fantasies and he is in your age bracket. Technology is useful, but nature is still the most important. This is why I am ENTP and not INTJ, because I guess a long time ago my brain intuitively decided that humanity was as important as technology. Or maybe vice versa, that I came to that understanding because I was innately ENTP. I would need to analyse my youth more to try to determine that hen-egg question.

ecash 11 Nov., 6:17pm
> From a purely logical standpoint, your time is better spent developing than popping out children

How can you be contented only studying? Then we come back to what is the value of intelligence. Aren’t we here because of our species. What meaning would life have if you were the only human that existed?

ecash 11 Nov., 6:26pm
You may be correct about it is efficient to just avoid the entire reproduction morass.

ecash 11 Nov., 6:28pm
Well yeah. But I do go into introvert mode.

ecash 11 Nov., 6:29pm
I think there is value in being able to do both well.

ecash 11 Nov., 6:48pm
> This should be an easy decision for you .. you've already had kids.  You know if the juice will be worth the squeeze for round 2.

Of course it is not worth it if I do it within the existing system.

ecash 11 Nov., 6:49pm
Absolutely no way I will raise a child in the society we have now.

ecash 11 Nov., 6:50pm
I think about changing the world. Creating a decentralized society. Being a leader.

ecash 11 Nov., 6:50pm
Because I am ENTP. I do not innately want to curl up in a cave.

ecash 11 Nov., 6:50pm
I prefer to lead.

ecash 11 Nov., 7:00pm
I do need to decide whether I am just going to be a bachelor banging different girls who pop in and out of my life, or if I am going to try to find a way to have a relationship (which of course requires procreation).

ecash 11 Nov., 7:04pm
But if we’re banging girls and employing contraception, then we are contributing to destruction of those women. We are effectively abusing every woman. Because we are gaming their hypergamy but not giving them the pregnancies that are the reason they have hypergamy. And that is down right evil. I feel not good about it.

ecash 11 Nov., 7:04pm
Do unto others…

ecash 11 Nov., 7:05pm
So the banging chicks and using contraception does not sit well with me. I was doing it for a while and then I realized I was just destroying these women.

ecash 11 Nov., 7:43pm
In terms of leaving our mark on history, novel ideas for organizing procreation could possibly be near the top end of possible accomplishments.

ecash 12 Nov., 6:18am
Again my problem with your life strategy at this point is you’re defecting from society entirely and doing exactly what destroys all of the women and the society. Of course you do this because the society has decided to destroy itself and does not give you other viable options. But this is defeatist. An alpha male makes war in some clever way, leads, and refuses to be destroyed.

I was hoping you were alpha. I have been hoping to meet another man or group of men who are sufficiently alpha to actually do something and not just blahblah about how bad things are

I am ENTP because I do not want to defect entirely from humanity. INTJ’s such as yourself or CoinCube, actually defect in ways that have bad outcomes for one sector of the society. CoinCube has decided males are fundamentally evil and that women are victims that need to be protected by the State. You have decided that you can not fight the State and thus use female hypergamy to destroy them by employing contraception.

So the point is that if you do not impregnate, then you are destroying the fertility capital of the female. Thus destroying society. Yet if you do impregnate, then the society destroys you. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

ecash 12 Nov., 6:24am
As you astutely wrote, ideas are useless if men are incapable of implementing them.

ecash 12 Nov., 9:40am
The rise of PUAs and criminals to alpha in female preference is due to absence of real alphamale leaders of tribes. Thus females preference was redirected to the apparency of alphamale qualities, without the substance they need to be successful in the evolutionary environment. White men have been castrated by the Zionists and the society and species is under threat. This is Revelation as it is written. And alphamales still exist then they should be acting right about now, as I am contemplating doing.

ecash(LinuxMintMate)12 Nov., 7:16am
> unless you're in the rare situation where you happen to agree with everything your leader does.

I am pondering if it is possible to organize a (decentralized?) society wherein the males agree on some certain principles and otherwise they are free to disagree on other matters.

ecash 12 Nov., 7:00am
You just assume you have to be under the rule of a government which was forced on you. Because you are thinking like a beta male.

ecash 12 Nov., 7:01am
Genghis Khan could be an apt role model. But let’s switch tactics to the modern technologies.

ecash 12 Nov., 7:01am
I think his DNA is in 1/4 of the population of the world.

ecash 12 Nov., 7:02am
I do not know if I am alpha enough to pull it off. Probably not (certainly not while still infected with evidently multi-drug resistant Tuberculosis). But that is what I am analysing now.

ecash 12 Nov., 7:09am
And that is what I want to teach young boys and young men. Teach them to embrace their competitive nature. And for the betterment of both men and women (but in the context of dealing with female hypergamy correctly).

ecash(LinuxMintMate)12 Nov., 9:43am
> You don't have to be Genghis Kahn.  If your ideas are worthy of it, they will echo millenia into the future.

Not if white men are totally incapable because they have been castrated by propaganda.

ecash(LinuxMintMate)12 Nov., 7:20am
> http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-11/if-saudi-arabia-situation-doesnt-worry-you-youre-not-paying-attention

This is an example of how centralized power structure is corrupt and eventually self-destructs.

ecash(LinuxMintMate)12 Nov., 7:20am
Because they are all fighting over the same assets. The oil fields. They are not leveraging their own personal productivity.
ecash(LinuxMintMate)12 Nov., 7:21am
> Regarding the organization of society, this of course will take a lot of thought.  My first inclination is to study what works in nature.  Voting systems in ant colonies.  Neurons cooperating with each other in the brain.  Mycellium finding optimal pathways to collect resources.

This is sort of brainstorming path I am on now.

ecash 12 Nov., 7:23am
We need a meritocracy, which thus requires that there are not legacy assets that men can fight over because their control can not be determined by a meritocracy.

ecash 12 Nov., 7:23am
That is one of the key insights.

ecash 12 Nov., 7:23am
We need to shift from passive income to active income.

ecash 12 Nov., 7:24am
It is the shift away from the industrial age and fixed capital investment to the knowledge age that causes a huge paradigm shift.

ecash 12 Nov., 7:24am
> Right now, the passive income motivates the active income.

And I argue all of that is dying.

By meritocracy based on active investment in the Internet-enabled knowledge age, I mean none of this bullshit about privilege and arguing about what an employer should do, but rather producing your own work and direct selling it into the marketplace and having no one to complain/whine to but yourself, for your failure or success.


The discussion about religion and nihilism was in a different thread.



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I will have a stab at your criticisms in a more low brow way.

To me you sound like a perfect product of Western thinking. I know you have had some brushes with 'Christianity' but as you said I might not understand life I will explain to you why its you who doesn't understand life not me. Of course you are superior to me in intellect I recognise that but also I have meet many incredibly intelligent successful people who can't seem to grasp even the simplistic deeper truths which real Christianity is about. So intellectually I value your intelligence as someone especially gifted I believe from God as we all are in various areas BUT in the end that to me just means you're the smartest monkey in the pack who can use his monkey tool better than others. Not to insult but to give my genuine disregard for relying solely on the intellect.  


So to me in understanding life I think you are only one first base (I recognise this will piss you off. lol) You have simply concluded correctly that mankind is broken. In Christian circles and culture that Sin but its outdated IMO. Probably the more modern word is Selfish or Self interested. I completely agree,.....thats US....and that will ALWAYS be US. There is no evolutionary process that will take us beyond this, no political or financial system that will deal with the root problem of humanity. BUT genuine Christianity bears very little resemblance to the image currently understood in the Western especially from outsiders. So when I talk about Marriage I'm not suggesting it stops any natural urges, The LAWS of Christianity is simply a crude cage that stops US from hurting ourselves. Men will lust and make work their God and Women will trick and seek security in male providers...ITS OK....its our Freudian ID....its our fallen state.


So the idea of screaming inside this reality and lashing out at human weaknesses is kind of basic, the next stage is seeing that it is EVIL that wants to break up the cage provided for us that is to protect telling us its our incarceration rather than our helper. Yes I am seeing Western thinking coming into Korea. Korea really have a massive growth in the Church in the last 100 years, even now 20-30% of Koreans are genuine believers. BUT the message is coming through now from the West, Homosexuality is cool, marriage is a prison, having children is a burden, money over people, pre marital sex or multiple partners before marriage is ok. Living together is ok. Korea is aping the Western current model.....so yes it will be fucked also eventually....even though there is some resilient inbuilt positives like zero drug tolerance, elder respect etc.

BTW I disagree on the White Males thing. Asia has in history a far longer track record of being the power base of the world than European whites..Asian in a knowledge economy will be top dogs I'm sure. They actually have higher IQ's that Whites and have greater success in the West in just about all areas of society. Its not White privilege its actually Asia privilege (if i believed in that nonsense) Europe I believe was built on the backs of Christian revival which was essentially a Pagan backwater before Christianity this also expanded to America. Its hard to get this across cause to see the rational view of the Church rather than the spiritual misses the real influence of Christianity. But even in a simple way I think even unbelievers can make correlations to the growth of the spiritual  "CHURCH' and blessings that also include material ones. Look at China where in the last few decades the church has grown the most and then the rising of China as a world power. If only people knew their economic blessings were from God and didn't look to the outward way God blesses a nation probably most countries would pray like shit!! Korea still talks about 'The miracle on the Han' when even many in the church don't seem to understand it all came from an acute time of suffering in the nation and a massive mass turning to GOD. And no America is not a Christian nation anymore or is Europe they are reverting back to Paganism and Pantheism. Look at the number of abortions happening in the West...where is the natural order of life is taking a knife and cutting out babies not anything but the hallmark of an ancient barbaric cursed culture. Progressives are leading this sinking into darkness. Often it looks good like using Gay Marriage under the banner LOVE WINS but actually its an attack on Christian Marriage as very few Homosexuals have any interest in marriage. I'm not even saying they are aware of this and quite possibly believe the rhetoric.


Its not coincidence that many Christians gravitate toward Libertarianism. Not because its a perfect system but its a good system that recognises human nature and turns them into a positive for the wider society. Its just a cage really that says ok your are a base creature acting purely on impulse so you can do that BUT we got some laws also that will deter you from hurting others which you generally will follow cause again you are self interested not to. Thats actually why I love the wild west of the blockchain and the personal responsibility that comes with managing your own affairs.

Understanding Christianity is about undertaking two separate but essential things. The constructs of the faith like Fidelity in marriage, Freedom, help for the poor, Justice. etc These are the things the Conservative Right holds onto often without the spiritual even if they use the language of the spiritual. The other of course is the personal individual renewing that God does as people continue to look inward and recognise the shit in them and the need for the Holy Spirit to enter those areas inside us. I hate I have to start quoting the bible but this IS my worldview that I form my opinions from, so an honest sharing has to include it.



 "As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[a] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!

So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin." Romans 7.


So yes everything you said is right. But its just the starting point. imo. And to disregard who the TRUE CHURCH transforms nations is quite a hidden area of what Christianity does and often people hang onto the vestiges of Christianity thinking its the real thing when actually its long gone and the vacuum is already in full affect dragging in every dark force and ideology it can. For Europe I'm sure that will be Islam, for North America I see breakdown in society which may or may not bring about some kind of revival...or not.
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