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February 21, 2017, 10:15:35 AM
Wear a well fitted mask over your mouth and nose while traveling and being exposed to people, especially if you traveling even in South Korea, Asia in general, Russia, Eastern Europe and pretty much any where other than very white affluent areas of the world:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17927248
https://drtbnetwork.org/17-using-xpert-mtbrif-diagnose-mdr-tb
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February 20, 2017, 01:49:59 PM


Real life example:

https://youtu.be/9TcMP7n9bhw?t=54

Generative Essence:

Asia has the youth. The West has infanticide, feminism, multiculturalism, bankrupt pensions, Marxism, and $trillions in unfunded liabilities to its useless population of spoiled brats. The West will continue collapsing through at least 2032.95. Then it may get a deadcat bounce, then collapsing anew until it is third world economy. Spain's fall from a world empire to a third world country is exemplary. It remains to be seen if and how soon the productive cultures that remain in the West can effectively break away from the useless dead weight. Spain was mired for a century in the infighting as it collapsed from within.

In my unpublished whitepaper, I have cited the research which has explained that economic control over fungible resources invariably become power-law or exponentially distributed. Try to find an exception in nature.

Of course for non-fungible (i.e. high entropy) resources, such economic control over for example female vaginas is not centralized. (But to the extent control over humans is fungible, e.g. via debt, religion/ideology, and mass media, then control is centralized)

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Sorry you can't defeat thermodynamics. You need top understand why some things remain decentralized and others don't. The key word is obviously fungibility (or more abstractly and generatively the key fundamental is entropy).
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February 20, 2017, 01:59:10 AM
Spoetnik you are describing the fact that the lack of top-down order is a power vacuum due to Coasian costs. I agree, but I want you to read the thread from the following quote forward to the third quote, because Coasian costs become compatible with higher levels of entropy as mankind progresses (credit @CoinCube with that conceptual discovery) and we are leaving the Stage #4 Industrial Age:

Actually the conceptual discovery was mentioned by myself in 2010.

You will probably need a week or two of studying the thread slowly.

I will be the first to admit I needed a week or two to fully absorb the following works of AnonyMint.

The Rise of Knowledge
Understand Everything Fundamentally

Together these are quite simply the most insightful piece of economic theory I have ever read.

If the author is right and I think he is we are all in the midst of a tragedy of epic proportions.  It is sad unstoppable and will devastate the lives of much of humanity.

The seeds of those essays were written in 2010. Also here.

Elaboration continued into 2012.
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February 20, 2017, 01:35:29 AM
It is very crucial that readers you understand what Stage #5 entails and the timing.

The French election in April/May will set fire to the EU and Euro, that will accelerate the short dollar vortex...

Which Martin Armstrong claims to have predicted 30 years ago:



QUESTION: Hi Martin It’s been 30 years since I first saw you speak ... How time flies. That said why have you not talked about the 86 year Sovereign Debt cycle that is forecasting a Great Depression for 2017. Have the monetary powers delayed this?

ANSWER: No. 2017 is the start of this whole mess. We have bank runs in Greece because the prevailing view is that Merkel will not relent and Greece cannot pay. This is why we are holding two conferences this year because it is very important and it is why I highlighted Greece in the report we issued for 2017.

BTW, thank you for this old hand drawn chart I did so long ago. I didn’t have a copy of it. People do not realize that these forecasts were made decades ago.

This year 2017 will be just the beginning.


Btw, as of 2012, I was aware of Armstrong's predictions made back in 1998 for everything that has occurred hence.

I was aware of Armstrong's 78-year real-estate cycle (≈π⁸ × 3) as of 2013 and was trying to relate it to my concept of a global technology cycle and Second Computer Revolution which I had written about in an essay I had written around the same time.

Edit: note 86 years ≈π⁹ + (π⁷ ÷ 2)
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February 19, 2017, 03:24:10 PM
Note to those that were following this discussion, it has also had a antecedent discussion in the Economic Devastation thread:

My point is that nothing is a permanent fix and there is no absolute truth. There are competing strategies.

There isn't one order, ever.

Isn't the objective of competition to determine the optimal route?

Agreed. If we could know the absolute truth, there would be no point in life. Everything would already be predetermined and static. There couldn't exist any uncertainty.




When I speak against the State "caring" for children, it is because only parents can really give kids what they need which is love and a family identity. And moreover, because by empowering the State with jurisdiction over the parents, we enable bad outcomes such as the one that happened to me (which pretty much still has me in shock until now when I think about it), which now CoinCube is aware of as I explained it to him in a private message. But I don't want to share that misfortune in public.

Just please when you have bleeding hearts for "the innocent" please consider that you destroy many innocents and cause worse problems by empowering the State to be God and the parents both. Please don't. IMO, if we really care then we try to be hands-on active in our community, try to help those who can be helped up to our available time and/or resources. If we are very busy, we can donate to others who have more time and we are know are doing good community outreach.

Giving too much power to an entity which has no feelings is very dangerous. We can't run a society as a spreadsheet (there is far too much complexity that needs free market annealing).
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February 19, 2017, 12:16:53 PM
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February 19, 2017, 11:35:58 AM
Spoetnik you are describing the fact that the lack of top-down order is a power vacuum due to Coasian costs. I agree, but I want you to read the thread from the following quote forward to the third quote, because Coasian costs become compatible with higher levels of entropy as mankind progresses (credit @CoinCube with that conceptual discovery) and we are leaving the Stage #4 Industrial Age:

How many times have I told you both publicly and in private messages that top-down control doesn't mean there is only one top authority. A diversification of cults each with their own top-down control, is consistent. Never do we have in the universe a falsifiable example of a single top-down authority for any phenomenon. Even you noted that religions are not all the same.

The Coasian barrier of the need for concentration of fixed investment capital in the Industrial Age was the cause. Click the quoted thread below for more in depth analysis:

The only source of Marxism is the Jews, it does not originate from anywhere else.

The actual source is the power vacuum created by the natural requirement to concentrate fixed capital in the Industrial Age. The banksters just stepped into that natural power vacuum.

Yeah r0ach's white supremacists are going to get their wish to end complexity and go back to very low productivity of the Amish with horse drawn plows. A gun under every blade of grass will be entirely useless. Checkmate. (those guns will ultimately likely be turned on each other as the economic failure results in every white supremacist warlord for himself with Rothschild ROFLMAO)
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February 19, 2017, 09:53:09 AM
Im sure you realise how outlandish it sounds to say Chinese troops will be stateside sometime soon!! That is going out on a limb, but there are many more examples of these things happening. (My take is that the US will side with Russia against China.)

Yea, there's Anonymint going off into bullshit fantasy land.  The more the paper tiger known as Jewish bankers that only consists of two branches (lying media and financially manipulating banks) tries to come down on the western white man, the faster they will all get holocausted.  What a nonsensical plan Anonymint postulates, that they could somehow take over every town in America militarily.  Even using foreign troops it would be a disaster for them.  Send 100 to try and lock down a small town I'm in and all 100 will be leaving in body bags after they figure out what one person with a rifle and scope can do.

I've noticed that r0ach has very poor reading comprehension. He apparently didn't pay close attention to the fact that I emphasized the prospect of foreign troops occupying ONLY the liberal dominated coasts (and the critically strategic Gulf of Mexico where the all important continental-bisecting Mississippi River meets the world trade), so they could starve the interior of the country of imports, exports, rare earth metals, electronics, cheap oil (sorry fracking extraction isn't economic), international Internet connectivity, etc... The interior of the country would be embargoed (and bombed) back to the Iron Age and cottage industry blacksmiths.

Yeah r0ach's white supremacists are going to get their wish to end complexity and go back to very low productivity of the Amish with horse drawn plows. A gun under every blade of grass will be entirely useless. Checkmate. (those guns will ultimately likely be turned on each other as the economic failure results in every white supremacist warlord for himself with Rothschild ROFLMAO)

The fundamental error of Trump, James Donaldson, r0ach, and other white supremacists retards is that he who controls world trade, controls the top-down outcome. That controlling entity is Rothschild. But the top-down economy is ultimately controlled by the bottom-up Knowledge Age, so that is why the new frontier is decentralized networking technology.

Btw, Russia and China are playing the USA as a fool. While the USA thinks it is dividing-and-conquering the two, they are just biding their time pretending to be aligned to different factions within the USA and they are dividing-and-conquering the USA.

With now more than 50% of the population of the USA conquered by Marxism, it is impossible for the conservative half to split off and retain the military power that the USA has which is actually controlled by the DEEP STATE within the government which is controlled by Rothschild. The conservatives can only split off as a revolutionary militias in the interior of the country, but they can't massacre or starve to death the other 50% without the international community intervening with the USA military rendered divided-and-conquered by refusal of the officers and soldiers to obey orders to shoot their own brethren (whether they be liberals or conservatives).
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February 19, 2017, 09:32:08 AM
Socialism offers the masses something

And what is that exactly, other than a miserable stagnant existence in the self administered chains of dependence? Or are you simply referring to the illusions that socialists have fallen for? I hope I'm not the only one who realizes that the systemically poor deserve exactly what they get, and get exactly what they demand. By demanding the redistribution of wealth they ask that compassion and empathy be made mandatory, which in reality means they are asking for a world in which all forms of genuine compassion and empathy be eliminated. The only possible victory scenario of socialism is successfully bringing the rest of mankind down with it, but in it's defeat we would see the greatest possible good for the greatest number of people (Karl Marx eat your heart out).

The Coasian barrier of the need for concentration of fixed investment capital in the Industrial Age was the cause. Click the quoted thread below for more in depth analysis:

The only source of Marxism is the Jews, it does not originate from anywhere else.

The actual source is the power vacuum created by the natural requirement to concentrate fixed capital in the Industrial Age. The banksters just stepped into that natural power vacuum.



As a species we finally got rid of it (at least officially) in 1981 when Mauritania became the last nation to outlaw slavery.

Slavery has not been eliminated. And will never be eliminated. Because it is natural. Laws outlawing what is natural, never work. Anti-usury laws didn't work either.

Man thinks he is more powerful than he really is.

There are damned facts that we perhaps wish were not true, but I don't see how it will help me by lying to myself, just because those realities are uncomfortable.

BTW I was reading back through this thread and I found I seriously disagree with this statement. I think men merely mistake the oppression of nature and of their direct ancestors poor decision making for oppression by the hand of their fellow living man. Slavery between men can be eliminated or at the very least virtually eliminated. You can look at it from a point of view of diminishing returns in nonlinear dynamic systems, in that a society that is 99% free of coercion is basically just as good as a theoretically 100% coercion-free society while also being exponentially easier to attain the further you get away from that 100% theoretical goal.

Maybe you can expand on your reasoning because I just don't see it.

100% independence would be infinite entropy, thus the past and future would not be differentiated and we would not exist. There was a longer discussion which you can jump into the middle of here.
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February 19, 2017, 12:44:58 AM
So many ripe for mind control with ideological delusion:

https://www.quora.com/How-would-you-summarize-the-purpose-of-life-in-one-sentence
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February 18, 2017, 11:49:04 PM
It has always been my working thesis that none (let's say very few) of us can know the future.  It is too complex...

For one thing, there is A REASON the majority of large human settlements through history have been bordering the ocean.  If the crops go bad or if there's some type of scarcity issue, people just ratchet up the fishing.  There will be no global "TEOTWAWKI".

Sorry guys but you are incorrect. Stage #5 is not just one of many possible outcomes, it is the ONLY possible outcome. And the totalitarianism will be global w.r.t. to all things tangible and physical (including precious metals!), thus the only release valve frontier will be decentralization network technology. See the problem with your idyllic and naive fishing plan, is that some power will be preventing you from fishing as TSHTF, because the masses are going to be demanding that the resources are shared equally (which will morph into rationing+eugenics) and the chaos is going to dictate that there is fighting over control of all strategic resources. Remember the masses are not armed (especially outside of the USA) and for example the coasts in the USA are leftists controlled States, e.g. California, Washington and the north-east seaboard. China has ample military to occupy the West coast of the USA and prop up the leftists. The fish food supply would be critical if the conservative interior of the country has shut off supply of food to the coasts. Shutting down trade with the world and access to electronics and other technology can cripple the interior of the USA. An essential ingredient is have an interior that is steadfast on resisting international cooperation and the rise of China, which is Trump is the leading edge of right now. China will see itself as leading the "free" world to international harmony by defeating the renegade white supremacists in the USA. It is very obvious why Rothschild used his influence over Wikileaks and media in the USA to install Trump (also so the conservatives will eat the blame for the global collapse caused by socialism).

The socialism doesn't just die overnight. It dies a painful death of self-destructive totalitarianism. Haven't you guys learned anything from the studying the history of the collapse of Germany or Rome.

If you want to understand why the entropy of the top-down ordered outcome is so low and thus so predictable, refer to the Petri dish analogy from my seminal essay:


Also you have to factor in that China and Russia don't have the socialism and pension debts problem that the West has (their debts can be written off as their demographics and unfunded social liabilities are not yet a huge inertia so their downturn can bottom in 2020 whereas the West will continue to disintegrate even after 2032); thus as China is rebalancing their economy from the Industrial Age exports to the Knowledge Age service industry and consumption (see upthread links to Michael Pettis' blogs), they will displace the West, become the new financial center of the world, and be very strong. Thus the totalitarianism isn't going to abate, because on the heels of the disintegration of the West, China's and Russia's Technocracy form of oligarchy control is rising to a NWO. After Rothschilds' succeeds in dividing-and-conquering Europe and the USA, then he will send Chinese troops into the USA and Russian troops into Europe to complete the NWO enslavement. You aren't going to have any respite. The only release valve is going to be decentralization network technology. The Barbarians are the gates and in another couple to few of decades they will be in your living room. Your silly tangible assets are going to be pet rocks.

What Rothschilds is doing right now is building a short dollar vortex of epic pain, so the world will hate the concept of a reserve currency controlled by any one nation. So the world will acceded to an international cooperative SDR reserve unit (which of course Rothshilds will control with the international central bank).

there are too many variables out there, too many "Swans", for me to find it useful in a practical way.

Then all planning is useless.

Of course it is nonsense that we are entirely incapable of understanding human transformation and doing some planning.

Just throwing your hands in the air and saying everything is random is not at all in touch with reality. This is what pushes you back to gold, because you only trust the past. If everything was entirely random, then we couldn't even be sure if we can breathe if we open the door. The reason we have great confidence that there is oxygen in the next room is because it is a very low entropy result to maintain a vacuum.

By understanding entropy, we can indeed understand the progression of society. CoinCube's model is all about transitions to higher levels of entropy (not energy unless perhaps he is thinking of potential energy and its relationship to degrees-of-freedom) and the contention between top-down order and bottom-up disorder that facilitates it.

Unlike Anonymint, I do not believe we live in a deterministic universe.

Readers please note that r0ach continues to write lies both about my and Armstrong's stances.

I even explained to him upthread how the universe remains unbounded in entropy (and thus not deterministic), yet cycles can be still be valid. A cycle doesn't tell you every damn little detail.

The sun rises every day, but that doesn't mean the bugs wake up or visit the same flower every sunrise.

It is really annoying the various crap that writers do on these forums by insinuating or attributing positions to others which are not their positions. It is not professional behavior.
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February 18, 2017, 11:43:16 PM
And HFCS is cheaper than sugar because of the government farm bill corn subsidies. Products with HFCS are sweeter and cheaper than products made with cane sugar.

I've tried some of those "retro" drinks that contain real sugar instead of corn syrup and they tasted worse.  Not sure if they did a shitty job on them or if the corn syrup ones actually do taste better ...

it is not HFCS i'm worried about..it is the Sodium cyclamate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_cyclamate
http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/304081/lifestyle/food/ban-on-artificial-sweetener-known-as-magic-sugar-lifted-by-fda
http://panlasangpinoy.com/2010/03/17/the-real-magic-behind-magic-sugar/
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February 18, 2017, 02:50:30 PM
And HFCS is cheaper than sugar because of the government farm bill corn subsidies. Products with HFCS are sweeter and cheaper than products made with cane sugar.

I've tried some of those "retro" drinks that contain real sugar instead of corn syrup and they tasted worse.  Not sure if they did a shitty job on them or if the corn syrup ones actually do taste better ...

Retro Mountain Dew is awful. Mexican (cane sugar) Coke I like.
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February 18, 2017, 12:29:26 PM
And HFCS is cheaper than sugar because of the government farm bill corn subsidies. Products with HFCS are sweeter and cheaper than products made with cane sugar.

I've tried some of those "retro" drinks that contain real sugar instead of corn syrup and they tasted worse.  Not sure if they did a shitty job on them or if the corn syrup ones actually do taste better ...
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February 18, 2017, 03:56:48 AM
I don't think we will reach stage #6.  The Singularity will hit us first.  We are just the breading ground for the machines to take over.  They will take over the totalitarian mechanisms set in place in stage #5.
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February 18, 2017, 01:33:47 AM
It is very crucial that readers you understand what Stage #5 entails and the timing.

The French election in April/May will set fire to the EU and Euro, that will accelerate the short dollar vortex. When the short dollar vortex peaks after roughly 2018, then the USA goes over the cliff and all hell breaks loose in the world. Also a pandemic could start as soon as 2019 (e.g. imagine what war such as when they catapulted the diseased corpses over the walls to spread the Bubonic Plague into Europe that killed 50% of Europe's population in the Black Death and global cooling can unleash with 70 - 80% of those in the Third World being infected currently with LTBI, i.e. latent Tuberculosis infection). Also the Maunder Minimum Ice Age has begun and will accelerate from 2020 going into 2030, causing cold and/or wet places to become frozen and/or flash floods and dry and/or warm places to become drought-sticken and hotter. The tropics (such as Venezuela) can suffer droughts. Mass starvation and/or enforced malnutritionary enslavement+eugenics is coming. So after 2032.95 (i.e. starting in 2033), the West will utterly collapse into chaos (with the USA headed into civil war and breakup):



By 2032, the other side of that turning point looks to be a serious risk of total chaos in the West, and the financial capital of the world will move to Asia. Keep in mind that Asia is NOT PART OF the bail-ins that governments in the West have signed into law. Asia is void of the real structural flaws that are going to cause the collapse of the United States and Europe. These people stirring up the protests do not realize that they cannot simply overthrow Trump and everything will be OK. This will lead to unimaginable confrontation and history provides a guide to how the military will itself split.



During the Nika Revolt, the angry mob began shouting insults at the emperor and began to assault the palace. The palace fell under virtual siege for 5 days and people were fed up with the high taxes and the government like we see today. The mob set fires that began to spread and much of the city now was engulfed in the flames as they have done recently setting fires to various things.

The local police and military troops would not suppress the mob and then some of the Senators called for the overthrow of the emperor. The troops would not defend the emperor. Fortunately, one legion was stationed outside the capital. They were not composed of local Greeks so they had no problem killing Greeks. They came to the aid of the Emperor, entered the city, and killed all the protesters.

What is going on is very similar to the Nika Revolt. Asking the military to overthrow Trump is just totally insane. These people have absolutely no concept of what they would unleash. The military will split and we will have troops fighting troops on American soil as we saw in the decline of the Roman Empire. Anyone who thinks they can overthrow Trump and that will end everything, they are out of the mind. This will be just the beginning of the end. History does repeat.

Edit: to expound a little on the risk of a pandemic. I think the multi-drug resistant strains of superbugs is likely going be the cause of the next pandemic. For example, there are so many Tuberculosis patients in the Philippines who don't finish their 6 month drug therapy and thus the MDR strains are 14.3% (resistant to the two main line drugs) if the new active TB cases. The rate of resistance to all 4 of the TB mainline drugs is roughly 0.5% already in the Philippines for reported active cases at hospitals, but these MDR strains are spreading now as LTBI and we will see the actual incidence of MDR on a lag of several years. For example tonight my gf told me her cousin didn't finish his 6 month prescription and starting drinking Tanduay rum instead as a "treatment" and "he is fine". I got so angry. I said, "he is not fine, he is a public health menace likely being a carrier and manufacturer of MDR TB strains now, with 1000s or millions to be infected downstream from his gross negligence. And since the turn of the 21st century, filipinos have been leaving the country in droves to go work abroad throughout the world as laborers and domestic helpers, thus spreading this LTBI thoughout the world. Note some countries such as the USA require a chest xray for immigrants, but this is not conclusive for LTBI! The Quantiferon test is conclusive, but it costs around $200 and so filipinos can't afford it (the test isn't even generally available in the Philippines). Also you have the rapefugees migration of the Third World into the heart of Europe, likely being carriers of a very high incidence of LTBI.

Worldwide, in 2008, there were an estimated 440,000 new cases of MDR-TB and 150,000 deaths from MDR-TB. Estimates show that 3.3 percent of new TB cases are really MDR-TB.

As the Maunder Minimum kicks in and an Ice Age causes massive malnutrition, then we can see the MDR strains of LTBI triggered to active at massively accelerated rates (currently as reported by the WHO only 0.3% of the population per year in the Philippines, at least for cases reported to hospitals).

This is not a joke. And note TB can't be eradicated like smallpox because there is no effective TB vaccine, and if we even tried to give therapy to those 2+ billion people infected with LTBI, we would end up with massive MDR strain proliferation.

Rome's example is instructive.
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February 17, 2017, 06:52:28 PM
I've read through the PM's & Collapse thread...

But iamnotback makes some great points, namely:

during ww2 gold was used because it already the backbone of the system, unlike now.

as long as infrastructure survives (indicating a financial system collapse) the internet & the speed at which solutions can be engineered outside of governmental avenues. and crypto is blooming, could soon be as ubiquitous as mobile phones. if crypto overcomes onramping obstacles it could serve as the path of least resistance ie stored & sent via mobile phones.

that a total financial system collapse could shove us into a dark age of food shortages (4 meal theory) and need for weapons. in isolated or war torn areas, are PM's more viable than food or ammo.

And incorporate the creative destruction aspect of Stage #5.

So clearly we see what is being created is the antithesis of the NWO, i.e. the decentralized society that is rising to become Stage #6.

This is why the goldbugs are entirely wrong. The NWO is going to take Universal Surveillance control over the tangible economy and destroy it. All tangible stores of wealth will die, and only the new decentralized forms of capital in the Knowledge Age will survive.

And unlike the Fall of the Western Roman Empire, this NWO will be geographically global. The frontier this time will not be geographical (i.e. no Byzantine Eastern Empire), but rather the decentrzalized online economy will be the release value and frontier that provides the way out of the creative destruction.

This is absolutely crucial to understand. And I as @AnonyMint have been explaining this since 2012 with my seminal essay in the Economic Devastation thread and then the various quotes since such as in 2014.

The only source of Marxism is the Jews, it does not originate from anywhere else.

The actual source is the power vacuum created by the natural requirement to concentrate fixed capital in the Industrial Age. The banksters just stepped into that natural power vacuum.
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February 17, 2017, 01:33:42 AM
Why Stage #5 will be so destructive:


The universal surveillance is going to be massive corruption that takes the world down into the depths of chaos.

Government is the biggest form of anarchy.    Cool
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February 16, 2017, 11:32:34 PM
Regarding a cultural evolutionary strategy, it is interesting to note the case of the Pythagoreans and their 2000 year cultural impact:

https://www.scribd.com/document/253978994/From-Mathematics-to-Generic-Programming-Alexander-Stepanov (see page 40).
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