Topic: [DASH] Dash - Building the IoM | Dash Nation Progress Thread - page 26. (Read 41820 times)

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People running this coin and many (though not all) in the community are actively, today, working to bury and hide the facts from investors. I understand wanting to sell your product, but when accurate disclosure takes a back seat to selling, you are scamming.

LoL !

I think he was questioning your good faith in claiming to care about investors interests in your concern for "furnishing them with full information". (Might be something to do with your self-appointed role as ethics police and plastering the word 'scam' all over the place according to your own skewed and subjective appraisals).

b.t.w. whether we call them "launch issues" or "the most serious cardinal sin known to man" isn't going to stop people who are spending their own money from valuing progress over pre-history. Information cuts both ways. For every Tone Vays there are plenty of people who went in the other direction and who were in possession of "full information".

I'm seeing increasing number of posts on trollboxes from traders getting p*ssed with your little campaigns that put them off investing in a coin that they saw had a bright future when it was a fifth, a third or half the price it is now. Thats the real result of your "care for the Dash investor" agenda.

Eventually, perhaps, if they look long enough. But there is clear evidence this does not always occur, at least not right away. For example, Tone Vays statement that he believed the instamine was an accident (and indeed promoted Dash on his podcast based on that conclusion) until he read additional information. Whether or not the instamine was in fact an accident is not the point here, the point is that it is easy for people such as Tone, who are very savvy and well-informed, to not see all the relevant information, given how it is being presented, and then later, by happenstance, reach different conclusions only if and when they (eventually) learn more.


I'm pretty sure I have already described the problems with incomplete, misleading, and selective disclosure and they aren't so easy to solve. No one can prevent toknormal from using minimizing and dismissive phrases such as 'launch issues'. Adding a link to some inconspicuous corner of the web site is not going to fix it. Perhaps some long and serious introspection on the matter and a decision to proceed with far more candor by various Dash stakeholders could improve the situation, but let's face it, Evan and maybe a few others run the show, and they've made clear how they want to portray the instamine by now.

FWIW, I have a hard time believing that you really care about coding of a competing coin, so let's just cut out the obvious bullshit please.

I have a hard time believing that you really care for new investors, as literally everybody doing some minimal amount of research will stumble upon the great instamine saga, imho.
But let`s say you really care about newbies. What would make you happy and at ease? A link on Dash.org to some document of your joice?
I would vote in favour of that, just to stop that incredible time waste and free your precious time, so you can go back to coding your competing Coin at last.

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Another great thread tao, keep up the good work!

Definitely! Happy to expand a little bit on it. I recall a couple years ago I wrote a WooCommerce Payment Processor plugin. I thought it was pretty cool at the time and recently happened to stumble on a video I'd recorded of it in action. A couple things came to mind:

1. Confirmation took about 10 minutes in total... looking back that is an excruciating time span to wait ;-)
2. The payment method itself bounced API requests off a centralized server. You'd hit it once to create payment address, present it to the user, then poll the API every 10 - 15 seconds until you got a "paid" response back.

DAPI changes all of that --

1. Confirmation is of course nearly instantaneous. Pretty slick ;-)
2. You don't need a payment processor at all; you create a payment request directly within the Dash network - it hits the end-users wallet, they send the funds and the API sends a callback to your online shop.

It's all inclusive, that's the biggest difference. It's why I think of WWW vs. TCP, they're all packets at the end of the day - the biggest difference is the end-user experience.

Same old Smooth, same old posts. I'm really starting to feel sorry for you. You're not convincing anyone:


The people are coming out, and they're firmly on the side of progress, optimism and decentralized tech.

Good night. I'll leave you to your thread-bumping now. Regale the readers with some more spin and innuendo, because that's all you have. I'll see you in the morning, when I will continue to define Dash and inspire people to join us.

Tao

Yes I agree. Here are facts.

There's that "scam" word again! Worked for you for two years, won't anymore. I've already told you, you will not control the narrative about Dash. The facts prevail.

What is priced into the market is the combination of all the information out there, from a variety of sources, some correct, some incorrect, etc. New investors do not know where to find all the information nor do they know who to believe necessarily. So when Dash supporters and official statements from Dash present inaccurate, misleading, or selective information, it contributes to scamming new investors.

Make the disclosures full and accurate, and there is no issue. The market can sort it out.

You know, I'd like to share something with the patient readers of this thread.

As Smooth continued his descent into marginalization through repetitive posts of baseless attacks, spin and innuendo, I went for a nice long, late afternoon walk with my wife and daughter. It was a gorgeous evening, and it was sunny and calm. It was very relaxing. And as I walked, I couldn't help thinking that this is what the world needs more of. Sunny ways. People helping each other. Staying true to your own instead of attacking others needlessly (for whatever motivation they may have). Professionalism, dedication to values, and an ambition to succeed, not through negativity in putting down others, but in positivity in staying true to creating something wonderful for the world to use.

Do you agree with me?

Dash Nation represents all of these things. A great group of people creating an exceptional product. Smart minds, everyone contributing how they can, propelling Dash towards being the digital cash that Satoshi envisioned, the Internet of Money.

This thread, only 9 pages young, already has a wealth of information on what Dash is about.

Would you like to be part of a team that embodies these qualities? If so, you're welcome to join us.

We could not be more excited about the future.

Thanks again,

Tao (Dash Nation Campaign Founder)

It's disclosed out there in the open and already priced in the market, but you and your friend can't see that.
You're not interested in any disclosure. You're just interested in killing Dash and you can't live with a thought that it doesn't give a fuck what you think.
This is market.

The market does not accept or reject as "legitimate". The market just does what it does, which is trade tokens. Plenty of obvious scams (even worse than Dash) have had high values in the market for a time. People will buy any junk as long as they think they can sell it for a higher price.


I can't speak for others but it has nothing to do with "injustice" or "legitimacy" in my view, and I mostly don't care what someone calls "legitimate". It has to do with whether investors are being scammed, and in the case of Dash, they are, by the ongoing false, deceptive, misleading, and selective statements being made both the official Dash organization (e.g. the ANN OP and the "Official Statement", "The History of Dash"), and by community members.

Such as you, for example, right here characterizing early launch, massive instamine, withholding of information, deceptive and misleading statements, cuts to emissions and supply, etc. with a nice little euphemism:


If you and the rest of the Dash community would be up front, making full, complete, and accurate disclosure of the history as I have done in my comments here and on my Dash instamine thread, you would not hear from me again on the issue. I'm not holding my breath however.

There are a few deluded high horses in crypto who can't live with the fact that Dash overcame its launch issues and was accepted by the market as a legitimate cryptocurrency.

The "not knowing when to quit" stems from the sense of injustice done to their selective view of "legitimacy", even though as I described in another post, it's bogus.

All the same, they're having to swallow it and you might therefore have to swallow their gurning, maligning remarks and patronising put downs about "scamming new investors", even though anyone who invested in Dash over the last 2 years knows it's anything but.

Uneasy accord.

(Put it this way - I know which side of it I'd rather be on)

In addition to the correction of the supply number, I must also correct another error. The statement about a "for-profit" coin launch was made not months before launch but about three weeks before launch.

My apologies for the error

"Scam." I love that you don't know when to quit. You help me prove my point with every post.

There wouldn't be any reason for anyone legitimate in the cryptocurrency space to be unhappy about criticism of the Dash scam and its advertising spam threads trying to rope in new investors to scam.

That said, we are all individual volunteers who do what we want. For example, I personally would not have posed for that picture, because I'd recognize it could be abused as a sort of endorsement of Evan, which I doubt was intended. I'm speak only for myself (unless, on rare occasion, stated otherwise, but that hasn't happened here).

Random fact:

I did you the favour of fixing your post. Same old, same old. Why can't you be more like Fluffypony? He's actually a nice guy once you get to know him. Learn from his example, if you don't want to learn from me...



I wish you and your project nothing but the best. Crypto competition FTW! But your style is not the way to do it.

Progress. Optimism. Decentralized tech. That's what Dash Nation represents. We could be friends if you would just change your attitude. There's still time.