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legendary
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Well we're off to a great start in the future of Dash. Standing up to spin doctors can galvanize an organization.

The facts will prevail in this thread. I have to go live some life now, but I'll be back later.

Thank you for bearing with us, and giving us the opportunity to set the record straight.

For more Dash information, see the following sites:

www.dash.org

www.RebelMouse.com/dashnation

https://dashtalk.org

Onwards and upwards,

Tao (Dash Nation Campaign Founder)


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Would you be so kind as to post a concise list of the most important facts of Dash? Please Avoid Capitalized Marketing buzzwords, Allergic to Marketing. (PACMAM principle)

I admit to being strongly biased against Dash but maybe that can be swayed and I promise to listen although I have no time for forum back and forth.

Toa will probably be along with something better in a mo but the vid series is a good place to start, I think they present things well without any real bias but I'd be interested in hearing your impression.

https://www.dash.org/dash-video-series/
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The problem is that Satoshi envisioned it as decentralized and technically sound--dash is neither.

Didn't take long for you to turn up with your unsubstantiated allegations and general trolling did it? How long do you think you can stay even vaguely on topic this time? Read the title, "Progress", ie. not constant repetitions of history you re-posted several thousand times at this stage. Dash had a rough start, get over it. Its no secret and the only people that seem to give a shit are you and your cronies that insist on disrupting Dash threads, either post something useful or GTFO and go back to siring up trouble over Bitcoins blocksize.

Dash Nation... progress... yeah, entities, the kind of thing that enables users to keep anonymous internet scumbags at a distance. Not mentioned in the Evolution whitepaper but it's one of the fancy tricks you can do with them.

https://www.dash.org/binaries/evo/DashPaper-v13-v1.pdf
I know it's off topic but how are you legendary with your activity less than 300? 

Not getting into the Dash debate but it's interesting to watch from the sidelines.
Thank you for your interest. It's going to take some time to put the kids to bed, but we'll get there. The facts are on our side.

Would you be so kind as to post a concise list of the most important facts of Dash? Please Avoid Capitalized Marketing buzzwords, Allergic to Marketing. (PACMAM principle)

I admit to being strongly biased against Dash but maybe that can be swayed and I promise to listen although I have no time for forum back and forth.
legendary
Activity: 2156
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Dash Nation Founder | CATV Host
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1014
Dash Nation Founder | CATV Host
The numbers and the design of a cryptosystem aren't my opinion, and dash's faulty design using those standards isn't opinion--
This sounds like your implying either that Dash has a faulty design, or that the instamine was by design.

Either way, please enlighten us with some facts. As I've said before, you would be doing Dash a favor.

I'm saying that the launch was, by the standards used for cryptosystems to create the most decentralized emissions as possible, (time, rate, ect.), bad in comparison with other coins.

There are facts (timing, false promises, absence of windows miner) that lend themselves to this being intentional, but either intentional or not, the result is a coin that is very likely centralized when compared with coins using better methods to assure a wider group of miners over a longer period of time. Again, the user is forced to play the odds with cryptosystems, and coins that have huge emissions over short time-frames offer the worst odds of decentralization.
Disagree. Prove to me that, as of the time you write your next post and continue to bump this pro-Dash thread, that Dash is centralized. Don't forget, I told you in the other thread, my grandmother runs a Masternode... Grin
legendary
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legendary
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I'm proud to be part of Dash Nation and i'm looking forward to seeing Dash shifting into higher gears soon.
Priceless values that any selfrespecting cryptocurrency should have and uphold :

* Investing time, money and energy into Research & Development to make their cryptocurrency competitive and relevant
** Providing detailed roadmaps where people can see with where they are currently and where they are going towards
*** Providing solid feedback over multiple communication channels towards its own community

Dash has all these primary values firmly covered :

* https://dashtalk.org/forums/official-developer-thread.15/
** https://dashtalk.org/forums/official-announcements.54/
*** https://www.dash.org/community/

questions to you, the casual reader : does your own cryptocurrency have and uphold these values as well ? in other words : does your cryptocurrency invest time, money and energy into R & D ?
does you community get regular and detailed feedback or do you constantly have to chase them for information ? does your cryptocurrency have roadmaps and are they met in a timely manner ?
legendary
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Dash Nation Founder | CATV Host
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The problem is that Satoshi envisioned it as decentralized and technically sound--dash is neither.

Didn't take long for you to turn up with your unsubstantiated allegations and general trolling did it? How long do you think you can stay even vaguely on topic this time? Read the title, "Progress", ie. not constant repetitions of history you re-posted several thousand times at this stage. Dash had a rough start, get over it. Its no secret and the only people that seem to give a shit are you and your cronies that insist on disrupting Dash threads, either post something useful or GTFO and go back to siring up trouble over Bitcoins blocksize.

Dash Nation... progress... yeah, entities, the kind of thing that enables users to keep anonymous internet scumbags at a distance. Not mentioned in the Evolution whitepaper but it's one of the fancy tricks you can do with them.

https://www.dash.org/binaries/evo/DashPaper-v13-v1.pdf
I know it's off topic but how are you legendary with your activity less than 300? 

Not getting into the Dash debate but it's interesting to watch from the sidelines.
Thank you for your interest. It's going to take some time to put the kids to bed, but we'll get there. The facts are on our side.
legendary
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Facts are more efficient than fud
The numbers and the design of a cryptosystem aren't my opinion, and dash's faulty design using those standards isn't opinion--
This sounds like your implying either that Dash has a faulty design, or that the instamine was by design.

Either way, please enlighten us with some facts. As I've said before, you would be doing Dash a favor.

I'm saying that the launch was, by the standards used for cryptosystems to create the most decentralized emissions as possible, (time, rate, ect.), bad in comparison with other coins.

There are facts (timing, false promises, absence of windows miner) that lend themselves to this being intentional, but either intentional or not, the result is a coin that is very likely centralized when compared with coins using better methods to assure a wider group of miners over a longer period of time. Again, the user is forced to play the odds with cryptosystems, and coins that have huge emissions over short time-frames offer the worst odds of decentralization.
legendary
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The main problem is that dash didn't adequately prepare for a decentralized launch. many months to years to slowly allow people to accumulate coins to assure the distribution was as fairly distributed as possible--add to that an emissions cut and dash (intentionally or not) made the worst case for a large distribution pool.

Not to detract from the countless answers you've already received on that point, prove it. C'mon, evidence, not conjecture. Prove to me that any individual has a sizeable percentage of all the Dash in existence and the point is yours, fail to prove it and that point I made on certain acts between yourself and icebreaker are just as accurate as any allegation you can make.

Cold, hard fact: No coin has a fair launch. Unless every individual on the planet is given an equal share it'll be unfair. From another direction, practically every coin is worthless at launch so everyone has an equal share, nothing. They gain value for many reasons including one you're intimately familiar with, FUD, but when it comes to another you seem to have a blind spot that causes you quite a lot of butthurt where Dash is concerned, merit.

Dashers FUD = Facts Uncovering Deception.

Unreasonable and misleading comparisons again trying to justify the scam.

What about animals? what about trees? What about aliens? What about creatures from other dimensions???  they all may want crypto currency??   - that's about how unreasonable your argument is? by your reasoning nothing can be distributed fairly ever by human means?? Dashers arguments grow more crazy by the day. They throw around these crazy questions and statements trying to divert from the facts that evans  deliberately held out other miners from this board from mining. The adjusted minting so they had less chance of mining later too.

1. is it reasonable to delay coin launch until every person on earth has a mining rig and is available at launch? = no because most are not interested in crypto currency, how will you reach everyone to tell them, etc etc etc..

2 is it reasonable to advertise the launch of a crypto currency on a crypto currency related board and give everyone a fair chance to mine with a reasonable diff scaling and block reward ?= YES most launches do this and at the time xcoin/dark was released 99% of launches were following a fair launch protocol.

DARKCOIN/dashcoin deliberately went against all rules of the fair launch protocol which were in place to ensure fair chance at mining. = deliberate scam.



We've been through it all before. Dash is a scam, darkcoin is a scam, xcoins is a scam. People defending, promoting , enabling scams who know it is a scam = scammers.

If you are reading this and have been dashed.... I advise contacting your local authorities. There is ample evidence on this board to bring these people to justice.

legendary
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All cryptosystems force you to bet on which has the best distribution, but the one that employs a slower emissions over the longer period of time has the better odds of being the most decentralized.

The problem for dash is that dash has one of the fastest emissions over the shortest period (2 million of 18.9 million in 2 days), so it makes a terrible case for being decentralized.

Tbh, I don't think it's possible to have fair emission with proof of work but it's the best we've got for now, mining farms jump on any new coin as it can be extremely profitable but they usually sell them on quickly and anyone there to buy them can become a large holder, etc, etc. There's no real end to it and even if we could find a magical formula for fair distribution it wouldn't stay fair for long, that's just one of those unfortunate facts of life :/

Different distribution methods are coming out though, Dashes incentivisation of second tier services (instant transactions, privacy, etc) and development funding are an example of that, there will probably be very little space for coins that act as a commodity so evolution of distribution will likely be a key area and I think Dash can afford to experiment in that area, incentivising development and advanced features has worked extremely well so far and there's always room for improvement.



EDIT @The Pharmacist, I got rightly pissed off with the trolling on BCT once, deleted all my posts and swore never to bring my keyboard here again... ok, that didn't work too well but I'd been around a long time and the low post count didn't seem to effect the ranking thing, just the activity Smiley
legendary
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The problem is that Satoshi envisioned it as decentralized and technically sound--dash is neither.

Didn't take long for you to turn up with your unsubstantiated allegations and general trolling did it? How long do you think you can stay even vaguely on topic this time? Read the title, "Progress", ie. not constant repetitions of history you re-posted several thousand times at this stage. Dash had a rough start, get over it. Its no secret and the only people that seem to give a shit are you and your cronies that insist on disrupting Dash threads, either post something useful or GTFO and go back to siring up trouble over Bitcoins blocksize.

Dash Nation... progress... yeah, entities, the kind of thing that enables users to keep anonymous internet scumbags at a distance. Not mentioned in the Evolution whitepaper but it's one of the fancy tricks you can do with them.

https://www.dash.org/binaries/evo/DashPaper-v13-v1.pdf
I know it's off topic but how are you legendary with your activity less than 300? 

Not getting into the Dash debate but it's interesting to watch from the sidelines.
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1014
Dash Nation Founder | CATV Host
The numbers and the design of a cryptosystem aren't my opinion, and dash's faulty design using those standards isn't opinion--
This sounds like your implying either that Dash has a faulty design, or that the instamine was by design.

Either way, please enlighten us with some facts. As I've said before, you would be doing Dash a favor.
legendary
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MY RED TRUST LEFT BY SCUMBAGS - READ MY SIG
legendary
Activity: 1750
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Facts are more efficient than fud
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The main problem is that dash didn't adequately prepare for a decentralized launch. many months to years to slowly allow people to accumulate coins to assure the distribution was as fairly distributed as possible--add to that an emissions cut and dash (intentionally or not) made the worst case for a large distribution pool.

Not to detract from the countless answers you've already received on that point, prove it. C'mon, evidence, not conjecture. Prove to me that any individual has a sizeable percentage of all the Dash in existence and the point is yours, fail to prove it and that point I made on certain acts between yourself and icebreaker are just as accurate as any allegation you can make.

Cold, hard fact: No coin has a fair launch. Unless every individual on the planet is given an equal share it'll be unfair. From another direction, practically every coin is worthless at launch so everyone has an equal share, nothing. They gain value for many reasons including one you're intimately familiar with, FUD, but when it comes to another you seem to have a blind spot that causes you a certain amount of butthurt, merit.

All cryptosystems force you to bet on which has the best distribution, but the one that employs a slower emissions over the longer period of time has the better odds of being the most decentralized.

The problem for dash is that dash has one of the fastest emissions over the shortest period (2 million of 18.9 million in 2 days), so it makes a terrible case for being decentralized.
That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. I've considered these facts as well, and I disagree.

Thank you though, for not continuing with the instamine angle. It's really getting old.

The numbers and the design of a cryptosystem aren't my opinion, and dash's faulty design using those standards isn't opinion--unless all coins used such front-loaded emissions; one could use an anonymous test of cryptosystem design without the coin's names ever being involved, and they would arrive at dash having a terrible model for decentralization. Now if you are comparing it to ripple or an ICO, then yes, dash is more decentralized.
legendary
Activity: 2156
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Dash Nation Founder | CATV Host
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The main problem is that dash didn't adequately prepare for a decentralized launch. many months to years to slowly allow people to accumulate coins to assure the distribution was as fairly distributed as possible--add to that an emissions cut and dash (intentionally or not) made the worst case for a large distribution pool.

Not to detract from the countless answers you've already received on that point, prove it. C'mon, evidence, not conjecture. Prove to me that any individual has a sizeable percentage of all the Dash in existence and the point is yours, fail to prove it and that point I made on certain acts between yourself and icebreaker are just as accurate as any allegation you can make.

Cold, hard fact: No coin has a fair launch. Unless every individual on the planet is given an equal share it'll be unfair. From another direction, practically every coin is worthless at launch so everyone has an equal share, nothing. They gain value for many reasons including one you're intimately familiar with, FUD, but when it comes to another you seem to have a blind spot that causes you a certain amount of butthurt, merit.

All cryptosystems force you to bet on which has the best distribution, but the one that employs a slower emissions over the longer period of time has the better odds of being the most decentralized.

The problem for dash is that dash has one of the fastest emissions over the shortest period (2 million of 18.9 million in 2 days), so it makes a terrible case for being decentralized.
That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. I've considered these facts as well, and I disagree.

Thank you though, for not continuing with the instamine = scam angle. It's really getting old.
legendary
Activity: 1750
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Facts are more efficient than fud
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The main problem is that dash didn't adequately prepare for a decentralized launch. many months to years to slowly allow people to accumulate coins to assure the distribution was as fairly distributed as possible--add to that an emissions cut and dash (intentionally or not) made the worst case for a large distribution pool.

Not to detract from the countless answers you've already received on that point, prove it. C'mon, evidence, not conjecture. Prove to me that any individual has a sizeable percentage of all the Dash in existence and the point is yours, fail to prove it and that point I made on certain acts between yourself and icebreaker are just as accurate as any allegation you can make.

Cold, hard fact: No coin has a fair launch. Unless every individual on the planet is given an equal share it'll be unfair. From another direction, practically every coin is worthless at launch so everyone has an equal share, nothing. They gain value for many reasons including one you're intimately familiar with, FUD, but when it comes to another you seem to have a blind spot that causes you a certain amount of butthurt, merit.

All cryptosystems force you to bet on which has the best distribution, but the one that employs a slower emissions over the longer period of time has the better odds of being the most decentralized.

The problem for dash is that dash has one of the fastest emissions over the shortest period (2 million of 18.9 million in 2 days), so it makes a terrible case for being decentralized.
legendary
Activity: 2156
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Dash Nation Founder | CATV Host
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The main problem is that dash didn't adequately prepare for a decentralized launch. many months to years to slowly allow people to accumulate coins to assure the distribution was as fairly distributed as possible--add to that an emissions cut and dash (intentionally or not) made the worst case for a large distribution pool.

Not to detract from the countless answers you've already received on that point, prove it. C'mon, evidence, not conjecture. Prove to me that any individual has a sizeable percentage of all the Dash in existence and the point is yours, fail to prove it and that point I made on certain acts between yourself and icebreaker are just as accurate as any allegation you can make.

Cold, hard fact: No coin has a fair launch. Unless every individual on the planet is given an equal share it'll be unfair. From another direction, practically every coin is worthless at launch so everyone has an equal share, nothing. They gain value for many reasons including one you're intimately familiar with, FUD, but when it comes to another you seem to have a blind spot that causes you quite a lot of butthurt where Dash is concerned, merit.
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