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It is MSI gaming 5 Z97

yeah some people say newer driver works , is it one a Z170A motherboard ? some folks say updated bios allowed more than four cards,
the MSI gaming 5's i have work with 7 cards sometimes , sometimes they don't so i just stick to 6 like phillip says

windows 10 64 bit

I didn't upgrade the BIOS drivers on this motherboard. Do you think that is worth a try? If so, are there certain bios driver versions that are best for the MSI gaming 5 motherboard for Nvidia GTX cards?

try windows 10 maybe

Update, I now have video but for one of the cards in device manager it says:

"This device cannot find enough free resources that it can use. (Code 12)

If you want to use this device, you will need to disable one of the other devices on this system"

No same thing happens with any slot.

I just found this website:

https://forum.ethereum.org/discussion/10704/how-to-add-a-7th-gpu-on-msi-m97-gaming-5

I did not change the memory bus or disable the audio like they recommend so I will try that and post back

@ Zimmsquad - Doe the problem stay with the slot?  If so it may be a bad Slot.  7 GPU should work with no issues on the Gaming 5.  I have over 35 Gaming 5 rigs doing 7 GPUs no issues.  The rest are 6 GPU ASROCK rigs.  I don't do anything less than 6, so I'm hoping the new Biostar MB is not handicapped.  You can also try to upgrade the BIOS on the Motherboard.  The steps are easy, just download from MSI to USB.  Go to Bios and choose upgrade BIOS and it will see your USB with the file.  

All this is assuming you already tried different Risers and it's on Win 10. 

@ Takaragi -  For server case rig - Best to keep it simple and use quality ATX PSU like EVGA 1300.  

@ Philip - As usual, you came thru.  Awesome, now I just need to get the CPU to test and if 7 GPU works for this MB then I struck GOLD.  It's a DAMN Sexy MB, the material appears quality thru and thru.  Even make my Sexy MSI Gaming 5 look so yesterday but I still like the Ferrari Red Look.  

As for the Risers, yes it's hawkfish007 and here is the Link.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06WRX86YN/ref=cm_sw_r_oth_api_s7qRybC027P01

Thanks for supporting him.  I urge everyone to support our fellow miners and community.  Here's the reason why you should help them, HELP US!  Hawkfish makes at most a few bucks per pack, and if there's a crappy customer or some decided to return some, it can quickly turn negative.  I urged Hawkfish to sell via Amazon because we can leverage Amazon Prime's super speed service and we can also Purse his item once it's in stock for up to 19% off easily.  This allows our community to have risers very fast.  

Now here's a more important reason to support our fellow miners.  If they don't have enough business, they're less likely to stock up enough quantities or even bother selling it.  They have to buy in large quantities in the hundreds and at time thousands.  I lacked patience so I ordered 2 Pico PSU that are crap and still uses bulky AC adapters.   They cost me $80 and the CPU cable is too short so I will need adapters.





Finksy have a fantastic Pico solution that he wants to sell with his Server Bundles.   It will be PCI powered via a pig tail and everything will be powered by the server PSU.  It even have custom cable to power the CPU, etc.  He wants to sell it at very affordable prices, but in order to do that, he needs to buy it in large quantities.  His primary business is Server PSU not Picos.  Although once you guys see what I'll be doing with the Picos, I bet the demands is going to be much larger.  However no one is willing to stock up these indirect items and be stuck with large quantities of them.  I really like his solution so I want it to be available for everyone in our community.  This is where I urged Hawkfish to assist Finksy by splitting the order and maybe moving some via AMazon.  The Goal is to help them HELP US by getting quality product to us FAST and affordable.  But I doubt Hawkfish will even bother with Amazon after the first batch if he doesn't get strong community support with the 5 Star reviews, etc.  It's much more profitable for him to sell on Ebay and direct.  I still hope we can help change his mind as I will be getting these PICOs, but I'm not sure you guys will be able to.  



P.S I get ***ZERO*** kick back or compensation for pushing any products or vendors I review.  I just get frustrated when I see a member or vendor have an awesome product but when I ask if I can get more, they said Sorry, I cant get anymore as there's not enough demands, etc.  

I mean I already bought 7 and set up the spacing between risers (which are drilled in) for 7. It seems like it is something simple that I am missing. Possibly a setting

Do six cards.

Keep it simple.

Be happy six work

Hey everyone,

So I am mid-build of my first rig and am having some troubles and any help would be appreciated. I have video when I have 6 gpus connected but no video when 7 gpus are connected. I have tried switching cards around and trying different risers, so I know I don't have a defective card. I am using MSI Gaming 5 motherboard and changed the PCIe options to gen 1 and 8x/4x/4x in the bios before putting all the cards in. If anyone has any tips that would be great!

I'm definitely wanting to get into this when I get home.
I'd like to get into gpu rigs in 4u servers.

Would powering the gpu's off server psu be best and small psu for the mobo? Or do you guys simply use higher end psu to power the whole rigs?

yeah  there is a way.  but let me see the power button you use.



oh I need  the link for risers  please give me it is it hawkfish?  


I will go look at the board for you.

get the manual go to page 15

it shows the panel with reset power on etc

so match the photo below with the manual page 15

I don't think Vega 10, just like 390s will disappoint me.  Please remember the biggest portion of ROI is the reselling.  If I can mine Vega 10 for 6 months and they hold their value,  it doesn't even matter how efficient or inefficient it is, it will product higher returns using less supporting gears / foot print.  I will get all of my money back minus any selling fee / depreciations.  The 390 paid multiple times, the Ref 480 I was still able to sell for same price after mining for 3 months if I really wanted to.  The supporting MB set for each rig (Case, Fans, PSU, RAM, SSD, etc) add about $500 per rig on the average.  Less Rig to build, less foot print, less to manage and less MB set = bigger gain.  It will be better to have 10 x Vega Rig then 30 x 470 rigs for this reason alone.  You can just imagine how long it would take to build 30 rigs and how difficult that would be to manage heat, more racks required, etc.

I bought 2 x Rigs of 1070, I mined them for 3 months, didn't like them for Eth.  Sold them and only lost $20/card but gain over $100 each per card mining so I was up $80 per card minus power cost.  Flagship cards usually hold their value very well.  If I were to do that with my 470s, I would still have some profit but I would have to take a much bigger hit on the reselling depreciation.   Although I bought all of my 470s in Sept so those will also be my super stars.  I have no concerns on the Vegas, only concern is availabilities, max quantities allowed, etc.    HBM is also very tuneable and I've seen people able to tweak it where it does crazy performance and low Power, Nano is a great example.  Anyways, I don't want this thread to turn into a GPU debate, just some of my opinions why I'm prepping for Vega.  


That being said, I bought 15 of these BIOSTAR 7 GPU Z170 MBs during the NewEgg sale.





This MB is absolutely Stunning!  The Carbon Fibre and attention to details is phenomenal.  Just waiting on my LGA1151 CPU to arrive so I can test this board for 7 GPU.  This board looks even better in real life and comes with LED strips as well as the Power, Econ setting control built right onto the board.  Great for Open air rig, sucks for Server Case.   I don't see anywhere to connect my Power Button on this MB.  


@ Phillip / Citronik??  Is there a way?  Otherwise this board will be useless to me as I need it for my server case.  My Open air build is all done already.

yeah we will have to see , if one Vega card can hash at say 70mhs eth and 600 dcr or something for 200 watts it would be a good buy.  If we are just seeing 60mhs eth and 600 dcr for say 250 watts its a wash becase 2 470s can do that right now for 260 watts

and its not really a wash unless the 8GB vega comes in at $370 similar to the 1070s, at that price point it would be great for density and i might look into replaceing six card rigs with 3 card vega rigs and cut down some foot print otherwise if its not at least
in the 380-400 price range you would be better off with 480s which should be no more than 170 or less by then

no i have one rig composed of those cards they are ok but they consume more power and are more flakey than the original Ref cards XFX made one of them burned out some risers
none of the orignal 4GB or 8GB ref cards ever did that.  Also they dont seem to want to undervolt less than -87mv while all my orignal ref cards can do -100mv with ease at any speed.
if you look at the SKU these one are different from the first launched ref cards XFX made.  

They also require different memory straps than the orginal REF cards , I could probbaly fine tune them to be as good but I stocked up on powercolor cards lately,  nearly the same hash and cheaper.
they can do 29.5 eth and 380 DCR with the low power rom for 150 watts but they are somewhat unstable, bascially seems to crash once a week.  Solo Eth they can do the same for 120 watts

in contrast the original REFs do the same speed at 133 watts dual and 100 watts solo due to the higher undervolt and are rock solid, of all the 4 six card rigs of 480 ref i bough ( a mix and match of 4GB and 8GB all flashed with the same roms) not one has gone
bad and I bought them a week after release, in contrast i have RMAED like 20 or so MSI , powercolor and Saphire 480 nitros, 470 ref nitros and red devils.


Nah my favorite cards are :
MSI 4GB 480, if its the same as the orginal sku , you can flash it with 8GB ref roms same performace.  
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137082

and the aboslute beast card is
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150773

its bigger than the other XFX cards, i have seen it undervolt to as low as -150 mv and keep on ticking , in GPU-Z it was showing only 70 watts steady lowest i have ever seen on a 480.  I only have a few of these since they are expensive
if the price drops i will load up on them.

I hear good things about these cards too
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2F84WG9944

the visiontek 470 ref cards are great too , although you have to up the power limit by 15 to hit 29.8 mhs eth and 350 dcr, i only have a few of them but they rose in price recently and they also comsume almost 30 more watts
personally stay away from elphida memory cards , they are fast but memory hungry due to leakage i think.

Going forward though i will stick to ASUS and MSI and VisionTek since they have the longer waranties , easier to resell so I am in the proccess of testing the best 480s of those brands
the MSI 480 4GB is too expensive , i think the price it like the 8GB since they know you can flash it to 8GB (4GB is disabled by bios)

next card i plan to test is this one :
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814126174&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&PageSize=36&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&ignorebbr=1&IsFeedbackTab=true#scrollFullInfo

I agree cost per hash should be worse than our current cards, however there are factors such as power efficiency and rate of depreciation. Cards depreciate rapidly in the 1-2 months before a new generation is released.
At $0.15/kwh, an Rx 480 only makes $0.65 per day. Coupled with rising difficulty, it might make sense to sell some now.

$3k worth of Rx cards can make less profit than $3k of Vega cards if vega is very efficient and electricity is expensive, despite worse cost per hash. I'm also waiting for vega 

yes  pretty much how I plan to shop. my power costs are different then most.  say 9.5 cents for 7 months and say 19 cents for  5 months .  I am approaching the high cost time.
So using less rigs from May to OCT is part of the plan.

this the gpu you like?
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/xfx-custom-backplate-xxx-oc-radeon-rx-480-8gb-ddr5-pci-express-3-0-graphics-card/5446220.p?skuId=5446220

better quality gpus? If you are waiting on vega the cost per hash will dissapoint you
those cards will be price at the same point as the 1070s and 1080s
use double the power of the 470.

the best card for muning right now is an asus 8gb 480 the strx line, ref 480 8gb
or the high end xfx 8gb 480.

I suspect this will hold true till fall, the only thing i could see you
gaining is a lower price on the rx current cards when VEGA
drops

the top end vega chip 16 gb hbm will be priced at 800 to 1200
even the lower end vega 8gb hbm will be no lower than $500

at that point a polaris 8gb 480 will be around $150 to 180 and will still be half as fast
I guesss for densities sake you could go that route but the hash per watt will be lower

then of couse you have to worry anout drivers bios mods etc it will be a few minths in before its even
optimized for mining.

Thanks I did a listing and sold 4 msi rx 470's
I am talking with a forum member about 4 more to sell.

My goal is to cut back to

3 biostar z170 rigs 2 msi rx 480's 8gb models
1 biostar z170 rig   2 msi 470's 8gb models

1 panda miner rig  8 480 8gb model

that would be 16 active gpus.

I would leave
2 biostar z170 empty and waiting for new model gpus
1 Aorus  z270 empty and waiting for new  model gpus
1 Gigabyte z270 empty and waiting for new model gpus

Lastly I would leave 2 biostar z170's sitting in boxes not used at all.

I would slowly expand back up to 30 gpus maybe 40. by the fall

All the mobo ram psus are paid off.

selling the rest of the rx 470's will have me pretty set to get now better quality gpus.

I am playing this different looking long term 2 or three years ahead.