Topic: DEA Agents in Silk Road Case Face Fraud Charges - page 9. (Read 14427 times)

Been following this for a while now. Pretty crazy story and I have a feeling it's just begun. Will be interesting to see the movie in a few years   

At which point is the suspension of disbelief too much?

lol dammit!

I agree, I think Russ will get a new trial, but the results will be close to the same, he may get of on one or two counts, but probably not. Russ did what he did way before Carl and the shaun were dirty. Russ is guilty, imho, but the baltimore case and NY case were totally separate, they collaberated every once in a while, but most of the time, they did their own thing. (ive read pretty much every document released) Carls main job was to be DPR's friend and a mafioso type person, hence the murder for hire, but from what I read, when dpr wanted to do the first murder for hire, Carl just asked what he need to be done, he didn't push him one way or another, so I also think that the murder for hire charge in baltimore still may stick, although its not as cut and dry as it was before carl went rogue..

Every day the United States government has less legitimacy in authority, less legitimacy in the use of violence against any individual. How long until we get our Mohamed Bouazizi?

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Interesting, because what Ulbricht did is against the law, you just throw him under the bus with all the other "criminals". Ross did what he did because the war on drugs was killing and hurting way more people than it helped (for starters). It was hurting the planet. It enriched the wrong people and governments, a tax on the poor. He sure wasn't living a kingpin lifestyle and a quick view at the life he lived showed he was a great guy by every account. So, he created a website which allowed people to freely trade whatever they wanted. Yeah, lots of it was drugs, lots of those were legal drugs without prescriptions (I hear).

To side with law because it is law, removes ones ability to think. And it is not such a crazy thing to say. The war on drugs is a HUGE failure and it was designed to be, it is a war against people and their consciousness. Cannabis looks to be going full legal over the next few years and our government is being forced to compassionately and rationally reconsider these archaic laws. The silk road brought down violence by all accounts. Silk Road(s) are not actually needed, but they are just speeding up the inevitable legalization of drugs, breaking the corrupt monopolies that certain... groups possess.

BTW - From every account, Ross sure is special in many peoples opinions. You can see it here, on Reddit, on podcasts, etc.

Its about sharing

+1!

Yeah, absolutely thieves belong in jail as does corrupt police. Not much more to say about this affair really.

Good luck, g

I hereby cite Tomatocage as Most Gullible (and Legendary) Bitcointalk reader of the month, and it's only the second of the month.

FWIW, I'm personally convinced Ulbricht is guilty.  I bet he's going to get a retrial, but I'd bet on him going to jail anyway.  Bitcoin angle aside, Ulbricht is just another crook.  There is absolutely nothing special about him.  He did what crooks do, he got caught like crooks get caught, he's going to jail like crooks go to jail.  

Force and Bridges on the other hand are special.  They are corrupt Lions, and they are the people who are supposed to be taking crooks down.  Police corruption is not merely bad, it's WORSE than anything an ordinary crook can do.  Those guys?  I want them to rot in jail.  Not just for stealing or extortion or bribe-taking or money laundering or all those other ordinary-crook kinds of things that they could and should do time for - although they deserve jail time for that too.  But the horrible thing, the poisonous thing, the thing that absolutely cannot be tolerated in a nation that aspires to be free, is this: I want them to rot in jail for betrayal of the public trust.

corrupt feds, what's new?  Maybe Ulrbicht will get a new trial out of this

I partially agree.  The problem is that there is no way to see into a man's heart (forgive the lack of gender neutrality) no matter the level of scrutiny.  Therefore, even the saint of saints cannot be validated as incorruptible.  The public is becoming more AWARE every day that a badge does not an honest person make.  The courts are beginning to acknowledge this as well.  Man, I could share some crazy stories about police corruption at any level (local, state, or federal).  Believe it or not, this isn't a new phenomenon, it's merely being recognized more so than before.

Well ... from what the government says, the DEA Team in Baltimore didn't give any evidence to the DEA Team in New York. So yes, it sounds insulated.

I just want to come in and say that it's not that everyone has a price, it's that people who feel they lack a certain level of well being have a price. Do you think you'd be able to corrupt Bill Gates? Ok granted some billionaires seem corrupt bit it's not that they are corruptible it's that they now have the power to corrupt others (by swinging the carrot of cash in front of them). I think there is a middle ground where you are not so broke that you can easily be corrupted and you are not so rich that you want to corrupt the world to fit your needs. In essence if people who worked certain risky jobs were actually paid their worth and not pennies there would probably be less corruption.

So I just wanted to say the system needs to be fixed so that more people make a decent living wage if you want to lower incidents of corrupted cops, workers and misc serviceman. That's just my 2 cents ^_^

Dirty cops? No way... Too thin by a mile. The only thing this Silk Road drama needs to make a full feature film is a dirty politician and a love interest. Good luck, g

Thanks for your insights in to this complex issue. I understand entirely your points viz the separation of the two cases.

I'm surprised that the informed view is that the involvement of corrupt DEA officers in one part of the case could be so insulated from other areas to the degree that a person has been denied their right to freedom.

I always believed there was a higher standard expected from state prosecutors, but seemingly no longer.

I never considered myself to be a bad person, but I will admit that my morals and ethics are somewhat.... flexible.  If I ever came across some Bitcoins or cash, there's a good chance I'd be considering the options.  Would I get caught, did anyone see me, are there security cameras, etc.

I never understand why these FBI guys, of all people, would keep the money in banks and accounts, even in foreign countries.  If I ever got my chance to obtain a lot of Bitcoins, it would be converted to cash at the first opportunity, and places in short pieces of PVC pipe, sealed up, and buried in various locations.  In cash, no records, no one knows where it is.  Minimal evidence pointing to me.

There's a time to be good, honest, moral, and ethical, and then there's a time to GRAB THE MONEY.

Can we get some citation for this?

why should we be so surprised when agents of the government steal? The whole government is a ponzi scheme anyway

ILMAO cause you guys are talking about monkeys