Topic: DEA Agents in Silk Road Case Face Fraud Charges - page 7. (Read 14412 times)

I do not believe a judge would permit questioning along these lines. The defense does not have a shred of evidence that any files were tampered, and they have no witness will testify that things were.

But is the journal in Ross' handwriting or just a file? If it is anything but in his handwriting, given the circumstances, I can't imagine things sticking.

The journal seems to be like an early block that the case is largely built on. If you invalidate an early block, everything that follows is invalidated, so to speak (blockchain tech).

Like I said, I believe that Ross should get a retrial, but I dont think that it will change things much. The conversations in DPR's log show that Nob (Carl Force, the corrupt DEA agent) didn't ask to have the murder take place, i initially thought that he said things like " come on, you have to kill him, its the only thing to do" well, there is no proof that happened. In fact, it looks like NOB was going to do anything that DPR wanted. Trust me, im not defending Carl at all, he should burn in hell for what he did, but he did steal the coins to put the whole thing in motion, so thats where his best defense is.

What I think is ironic, the guys in Baltimore are stating that The secret service agent stole the coins, i believe they are saying that so that it wont taint their case against Ross murder for hire charge, but you cant tell me that Ross and shaun werent in on it together, Since Shaun was the computer guy, it makes sense he was the one that did all the bitcoin transfers, so he did all the leg work, but i bet you a bitcoin that Carl got a big piece of those stolen coins. Hell, i read some communication between Ross and Shaun asking how to launder the bitcoins...

The prosecution in Baltimore is grasping at straws to keep the charges going, but while I think hes still mostly culpable for the murder for hire, i dont see him totally guilty, so if there is a trial, i bet hes found innocent. Also, who knows when Carl and the other guy went bad, they are stating that everything was fine until they stole the money..lol, i dont buy that they were angels up until that point, there just isnt tons of proof yet... I wonder how much "nob" sold on SR and didn't report it..

I had no idea the journal was not handwitten!!!
Two corrupt agents and a text file "from" Ross = reasonable doubt plus, you said it.
No wonder the government fought tooth and nail to keep all of this out of the trial.
Just keeps getting better and better.

And now the ties to Mt. Gox going under (possibly from government having frozen accounts and some cold wallets) is making more and more sense.

Its about sharing (the evidence  )

Well his journal or log appears to be a simple text file. No handwriting. So you have agents with access to a plain text log that can be modified to fit any agenda or story. Surely, logically... as soon as there is any doubt as to the integrity of the agents (which I guess you have to assume initially for law & order purposes), the entire journal/log is no longer admissible. But this is not the half of it... as in this case the agents have an obvious monetary gain for a large sum of money, and the document cannot be trusted at all as people will go to great lengths for monetary gain, and able to employ the help of others due to the promise of monetary gain.

I think this is a big let down for the enforcement agencies... these agents have really smeared them. I can't see how there wouldn't be a retrial very soon.

There was no proof provided by the defense, that the files have been planted on Ross Ulbrichts computer.

STF we dont kniw if this shit was made up by the DEA and the corrupt guy. 

I agree completely, that the agents are not much better than Ross/DPR. All of them deserve the sentences they'll get. My posting was directed to the guys, that call Ross U. a "Hero", which he definitely isn't.

The conversations involving the 'hit' were between the defendant and the DEA guy. The DEA were involved in the generation of that conversation, like you and me are generating this exchange right now. This wasn't a random conversation recovered from a server, this was engineered by the DEA.


You said it buddy!!  The opportunity ( provided by the DEA) was the main driving force behind these conversations. Even the theft that precipitated it in the first place was perpetrated by the DEA.

The whole thing stinks, and while I dont argue the innocence or otherwise of Ulbricht, the DEA have exposed themselves to be no better than their enemies in this so called War on Drugs. The fact that they did not recognize the seriousness of the position that SA Force had put them in, but continued to prosecute the case by "insulating" the NY based case shows a disregard and contempt for the Law that is almost beyond comprehension.

Wow.  So DEA guy steals the coin under greens name, tells Ross it was green, and then starts a conversation about dealing with green..

Most jurisdictions in the world would throw that out in the trash where it belongs, and conduct a sworn inquiry to establish who in the DEA allowed this to happen.

We thought Mark Karpeles was the biggest asshole ever, but I guess we forgot about the US DEA. The irony of them being caught money laundering due to the diligence of a Bitcoin exchange is just incredible.

No they don't they go to usual jail/prison but they usually go in with the snitch type of and get separated from the main for their own protection they also get sent to other states to limit the amount that may remember them from previous busts. Would be the worst feeling ever going to prison after putting so many in their over your life time. No doubt the guys if given maximum sentence will end it before they get going in there to long.

Naw, cops go to "cop jail" where the inmates won't k.o.s. a cop.

He is no computer expert. That was Shaun Bridges' part. Remember when Force (Nob) asked DPR what a "support" is?

The guy was so lame it hurts, there's all kinds of anonymous ways of doing that and he used Bitstamp for selling the coins?!

He was asking for getting caught!

Interesting aspect. Fitting very much into my Variety Jones topic: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/who-is-variety-jones-935434
I find this character the most interesting in this SR story.

The worst part is the defense couldn't use some of the evidence they had about the two corrupt agents. The government used the grand jury investigation of force to deprive the jury from receiving facts about the corrupt nature of the Government’s investigation, which deprived Ross of a fair trial.

The murder for hire charges are still on in Baltimore, the prosecutor said that they are looking into what they are going to do, but they certainly haven't been dropped as of yet (if ever)

After reading the newly released docs, It was Russ decision to kill Curtis green, but was convinced to do so by cimon, dprs confidant.  At first, DPR just wanted the money returned and then beat CG up if he didn't comply. then cimon (think thats his name)told him be better do so, with the egging on of inigo (mr. jones) Green is lucky that DPR turned to NOB for the hit, Cimon (variety jones) really wanted to do it. he also wanted to follow nob to make sure the hit was taken out. Green is VERY lucky.. what strikes me funny is that when dpr said "give your guys this note to him (with the btc address and instuctions) Carl really didnt want to do that, he said his gus didnt know anything about computers, well, Carl or nob is the one that had the stolen bitcoins, so he didnt want to give them up..

This whole story is so damned intriguing...

I personally believe the Russ should still face the murder for hire, but with all the evidence. now if NOB told him to have him killed, or whatever, then it would be different..

Awesome. Just Pure F-ckin awesome...

The journal and the chat logs were not "generated and supplied" by the two officers and the decision to "kill" instead of "beating up" was Ross' very own idea. Just having the opportunity to pay a hitman was enough for him to actually do this. Not a hero at all to me...