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Quote from: Micio on January 17, 2019, 02:27:22 PM

Quote from: The Cryptovator on January 17, 2019, 02:03:18 PM

User duesoldi added by coinlocket$,
He have left 9 positive feedback starting from 2019-01-11, and also by local language. No any reference link or no any negative feedback.

User Micio added by coinlocket$,
Although his all feedback old. He does not leaving feedback from last 2 month but all the feedback is positive, no any negative feedback there.

@coinlocket$ can you please revise your custom list (DT2) ?

Imho, there was no reason to leave negative feedbacks or positive feedbacks before this change. I wasn't in DT so I would not have made any difference. Since 2014, every year I received and sent feedbacks when I trusted people or I completed a transaction. From now on I'll take more care about the trust system.

You should really revisit all of those ratings, especially if some of those accounts are now inactive (which makes them a liability). Maybe rewrite the ones on such accounts to neutral.

Quote from: Micio on January 17, 2019, 02:27:22 PM

If there's any problem I can be removed from DT, I don't want to be an obstacle.

Would be great if you did what I just suggested. If you don't want to bother with it, or DT in general you can just ask coinlocket to remove you.

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Quote from: The Cryptovator on January 17, 2019, 02:03:18 PM

User duesoldi added by coinlocket$,
He have left 9 positive feedback starting from 2019-01-11, and also by local language. No any reference link or no any negative feedback.

User Micio added by coinlocket$,
Although his all feedback old. He does not leaving feedback from last 2 month but all the feedback is positive, no any negative feedback there.

@coinlocket$ can you please revise your custom list (DT2) ?

Imho, there was no reason to leave negative feedbacks or positive feedbacks before this change. I wasn't in DT so I would not have made any difference. Since 2014, every year I received and sent feedbacks when I trusted people or I completed a transaction. From now on I'll take more care about the trust system.

Quote from: Lauda on January 17, 2019, 02:05:55 PM

Quote from: The Cryptovator on January 17, 2019, 02:03:18 PM

User duesoldi added by coinlocket$,
He have left 9 positive feedback starting from 2019-01-11, and also by local language. No any reference link or no any negative feedback.

User Micio added by coinlocket$,
Although his all feedback old. He does not leaving feedback from last 2 month but all the feedback is positive, no any negative feedback there.

@coinlocket$ can you please revise your custom list (DT2) ?

I've sent him a PM about this. Hopefully he will respond soon.

If there's any problem I can be removed from DT, I don't want to be an obstacle.

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Quote from: Lauda on January 17, 2019, 02:05:55 PM

Quote from: The Cryptovator on January 17, 2019, 02:03:18 PM

User duesoldi added by coinlocket$,
He have left 9 positive feedback starting from 2019-01-11, and also by local language. No any reference link or no any negative feedback.

User Micio added by coinlocket$,
Although his all feedback old. He does not leaving feedback from last 2 month but all the feedback is positive, no any negative feedback there.

@coinlocket$ can you please revise your custom list (DT2) ?

I've sent him a PM about this. Hopefully he will respond soon.

Those guys are very good people, a lot of people started to use the trust list after the last big change.
Do you think should I remove them from DT2 cause they are no very active with feedbacks?
I can do that since the DT2 network needed active people for the good of the forum.
Interest on reading your opinion about it.

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Quote from: The Cryptovator on January 17, 2019, 02:03:18 PM

User duesoldi added by coinlocket$,
He have left 9 positive feedback starting from 2019-01-11, and also by local language. No any reference link or no any negative feedback.

User Micio added by coinlocket$,
Although his all feedback old. He does not leaving feedback from last 2 month but all the feedback is positive, no any negative feedback there.

@coinlocket$ can you please revise your custom list (DT2) ?

I've sent him a PM about this. Hopefully he will respond soon.

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User duesoldi added by coinlocket$,
He have left 9 positive feedback starting from 2019-01-11, and also by local language. No any reference link or no any negative feedback.

User Micio added by coinlocket$,
Although his all feedback old. He does not leaving feedback from last 2 month but all the feedback is positive, no any negative feedback there.

@coinlocket$ can you please revise your custom list (DT2) ?

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Quote from: Alex_Sr on January 17, 2019, 12:30:24 AM

If leaving such feedback is a problem-tell me: "Bro is a problem!" and I will not leave such feedback!

As I wrote earlier I am still very inexperienced in matters of trust, but I'm learning fast

First: it's nothing personal. I've seen good posts from you, and although there's nothing wrong with being inexperienced when it comes to trust, I don't think you should have your first trial run when you're on DT.

It's not about sending you a PM, which indeed I could have done. You should be able to stand strong when you leave feedback. If you're wrong occasionally, it is of course good to change it when needed, but the majority of your feedback should hold strong. That also means you shouldn't just delete them the moment someone disagrees, you should be able to back it up. And if you can't, that means you shouldn't have left the feedback in the first place.

Deleting the ~dozen positive feedbacks you've left shows you're willing to learn and improve, but it also shows you couldn't make the right decision on your own.

Just my opinion of course Tongue

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Quote from: Alex_Sr on January 17, 2019, 12:30:24 AM

Quote from: Slow death on January 16, 2019, 07:07:22 PM

this means that he placed these references in just one day Grin

Yes, I rewrote all my negative feedback in one day, as they did not contain a Reference link

P.S. I really want to get feedback from the community that I have to fix!

The most important is always be yourself, always be as honest as possible and always be sincere. most of People in the online world: forums and social networks are " actors ". Is very normal that someone is honest in the forums and social networks and in the real life this person to be some arrogant and dishonest. If you are honest in real life then you will not have problems in the online world

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Quote from: TMAN on January 17, 2019, 02:44:04 AM

hopefully all issues around trust-lists can be that easy to resolve.

I think so, we can discuss here if someone have issue with trust rating or send PM since so many new face here. It would be better discussion here instead of just increase exclusion (~) mark on custom list (if there is no obvious abuse case). Although I am new but I believe we can make a decent forum by help each other. For example I have made a thread about "Cluster2k" although he was tagged by 5 DT but there was positive feedback by SFR10 and send PM to SFR10 for reconsideration of his feedback. So he delete positive feedback and leave neutral feedback. That's way we can help each other. We should welcome newbie and help as well.

I am not angel or someone else here. So feel free to PM me if you found anything wrong on my feedback. I will try to resolve.

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Quote from: The Cryptovator on January 17, 2019, 02:40:27 AM

Quote from: Alex_Sr on January 17, 2019, 01:33:51 AM

Thanks! I deleted all feedback without Reference link. From now on I'm only motivated to leave feedback and I will be very conservative!

Well, I have checked your feedback right now. Seems you have cleaned your feedback look like legitimate to me. I am not sure who have exclude you. But I think you deserve second chance. Although its depend on who excluded you. Ask TMAN for reconsideration.

Quote from: TMAN on January 17, 2019, 02:44:04 AM

Quote from: The Cryptovator on January 17, 2019, 02:40:27 AM

I am not sure who have exclude you. But I think you deserve second chance. Although its depend on who excluded you. Ask TMAN for reconsideration.

I removed then excluded him, we had a chat about my issues - he fixed what I saw as wrong and now Alex is back on my trust-list, hopefully all issues around trust-lists can be that easy to resolve.

Thanks for your trust guys! If someone have to me any questions please write in this topic or PM.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on January 17, 2019, 02:54:21 AM

The last thing we want is to get in to an back-and-forth escalation of exclusions for inappropriate ratings

I thought I had you in my list already, added you now as this is the type of attitude everyone on DT should have

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Quote from: TMAN on January 17, 2019, 01:26:38 AM

It has to be said I do like how fluid this is being compared to the previous system and I do encourage anyone who has an issue with my trust-list to reach out to me, we are a community and DT is here to protect the community, think of it as a true democracy - not Trump, more like the cool dude in charge at your northern neighbor.

I would echo this statement, especially since I am new on DT and doubly especially to the DT1 users who saw fit to include me on their trust lists. The last thing we want is to get in to an back-and-forth escalation of exclusions for inappropriate ratings. Now, while some change and evolution of the system is good and bound to happen from month to month, if all of DT1 fill their lists up with various exclusions, then a small change in DT1 would result in a much larger change in DT2, and then potentially the loss of good feedback or the gain of poor feedback. Much better simply to discuss and resolve concerns in the open.

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Quote from: The Cryptovator on January 17, 2019, 02:40:27 AM

I am not sure who have exclude you. But I think you deserve second chance. Although its depend on who excluded you. Ask TMAN for reconsideration.

I removed then excluded him, we had a chat about my issues - he fixed what I saw as wrong and now Alex is back on my trust-list, hopefully all issues around trust-lists can be that easy to resolve.

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Quote from: Alex_Sr on January 17, 2019, 01:33:51 AM

Thanks! I deleted all feedback without Reference link. From now on I'm only motivated to leave feedback and I will be very conservative!

Well, I have checked your feedback right now. Seems you have cleaned your feedback look like legitimate to me. I am not sure who have exclude you. But I think you deserve second chance. Although its depend on who excluded you. Ask TMAN for reconsideration.

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Quote from: The Cryptovator on January 17, 2019, 12:56:33 AM

Seems you are bit active to handle few scammers, so my suggestion is ;
Delete your positive feedback which is really not necessary. There is only few are deserve it. And hardly try to use reference link. Especially on negative feedback. Then contact with TMAN , I am still not sure he will put back you. But you can try. Please don't use native language on feedback.

To be honest just one guys on my list is new, and I have send him PM to don't misuse you feedback. And don't send me any feedback because of I added you on my list. Otherwise I have to exclude you.

Thanks! I deleted all feedback without Reference link. From now on I'm only motivated to leave feedback and I will be very conservative!

Quote from: TMAN on January 17, 2019, 01:26:38 AM

Spoken with Alex, he is fully aware of the situation as I see it, I have requested some immediate action and some changes moving forwards. I will be adding him back to my trust list, i will keep and eye on his ratings but if anyone else notices something that isn't "standard" please PM him and if you don't like the answer please come to me.

It has to be said I do like how fluid this is being compared to the previous system and I do encourage anyone who has an issue with my trust-list to reach out to me, we are a community and DT is here to protect the community, think of it as a true democracy - not Trump, more like the cool dude in charge at your northern neighbor.

Thanks for mentoring! I appreciate that! This is a new experience for me.

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Quote from: Lauda on January 17, 2019, 01:09:06 AM

Exactly. People need to be conservative or we will have even more "scammed by light/dark green trusted users" threads.

People should probably also start using the neutral tag more often. From what I've seen it's mainly used as pre-negative and very rarely as something pre-positive. Not sure why it's like that but leaving a positive for anything and everything is getting out of hand.

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Quote from: Alex_Sr on January 17, 2019, 12:30:24 AM

~snip~

Spoken with Alex, he is fully aware of the situation as I see it, I have requested some immediate action and some changes moving forwards. I will be adding him back to my trust list, i will keep and eye on his ratings but if anyone else notices something that isn't "standard" please PM him and if you don't like the answer please come to me.

It has to be said I do like how fluid this is being compared to the previous system and I do encourage anyone who has an issue with my trust-list to reach out to me, we are a community and DT is here to protect the community, think of it as a true democracy - not Trump, more like the cool dude in charge at your northern neighbor.

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Quote from: asche on January 16, 2019, 01:26:54 PM

So you believe I am Sylon? Quite funny.

Please no or this will not end well. Undecided

Quote from: The Cryptovator on January 17, 2019, 12:56:33 AM

Delete your positive feedback which is really not necessary. There is only few are deserve it.

Exactly. People need to be conservative or we will have even more "scammed by light/dark green trusted users" threads.

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Quote from: Alex_Sr on January 17, 2019, 12:30:24 AM

My feedback of this user was given for the creation of this topic dedicated to the trust: [Challenge] Create your Trust list - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/trust-5096402

If leaving such reviews is a problem-tell me: "Bro is a problem!" and I will not leave such reviews!

No mate positive, feedback isn't like negative feedback. Negative feedback could be send for single reason/thread. But if it's positive feedback then you can't leave it just for made a thread. Do you know how hardly managed positive feedback by old DT? I have made more then 34 valid scam accusation, but still I haven't got any positive feedback for that also it doesn't mean I am trusted (I wasn't did for feedback or whatever) but I am still doing that. Now think how you can leave positive feedback for single post and you are just new added on DT ?

Seems you are bit active to handle few scammers, so my suggestion is ;
Delete your positive feedback which is really not necessary. There is only few are deserve it. And hardly try to use reference link. Especially on negative feedback. Then contact with TMAN , I am still not sure he will put back you. But you can try. Please don't use native language on feedback.

To be honest just one guys on my list is new, and I have send him PM to don't misuse you feedback. And don't send me any feedback because of I added you on my list. Otherwise I have to exclude you.

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Quote from: LoyceV on January 16, 2019, 01:44:31 PM

Let me focus on the last 2 words: "active user". The account is 7 months young, has 104 posts, and (who would have thought!) he too started dropping green and red trust the same day!

I've been away since I was put on DT1, and I have a lot of reading to do to catch up, but my first impression is that there's already ~~a circle jerk~~ even more controversy when certain accounts suddenly leave each other trust and add each other to their trust list. And just like the hostile takeover I described, a dozen users can easily add all of them on DT, and turn all of them to +110 (after 10 months).

Just a thought: I've seen users counter negative trust, countering positive trust would be a new thing.

My feedback of this user was given for the creation of this topic dedicated to the trust: [Challenge] Create your Trust list - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/trust-5096402

If leaving such feedback is a problem-tell me: "Bro is a problem!" and I will not leave such feedback!

As I wrote earlier I am still very inexperienced in matters of trust, but I'm learning fast:

Quote from: Alex_Sr on January 15, 2019, 12:10:04 PM

Quote from: marlboroza on January 15, 2019, 10:06:03 AM

Quote from: Alex_Sr on January 14, 2019, 01:36:06 PM

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Please add reference links to all your negative ratings.

Thank you for correcting me! I'm not experienced yet, but I'm learning fast!

Done! All negative ratings now with links!

Quote from: Slow death on January 16, 2019, 07:07:22 PM

this means that he placed these references in just one day Grin

Yes, I rewrote all my negative feedback in one day, as they did not contain a Reference link

P.S. I really want to get feedback from the community that I have to fix!

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