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Bibite

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The most recognized or the most active?

+ more active I think, because for me recognized it would be necessary to take into account the trust in a stronger way I think

The score takes into account trust & merit.

Except that since it uses the DT network, here not many people will have a score other than 0 on the Trust part.

Edit: Honestly I have already had the idea of finding a trade to do with a DT just to win a DT green trust....

by the way
you are fast to reply to his PM Wink

don't worry I have you on my list as well

JohnUser

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Quote from: Bibite on January 16, 2019, 12:43:27 PM

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Edit: Honestly I have already had the idea of finding a trade to do with a DT just to win a DT green trust....

Honnetement j'ai deja eu l idee de trouver un trade à faire avec un DT pour gagner un green trust d'un DT

Tu sors du contexte, relis tout le thread, d'où ça émerge.

In English : You are out of context. Please read the whole thread you are quoting again.

Bibite

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I have a lot more to post, don't worry, I don't have to post in reputation or idk, I wanted to show how unreliable the DT is now, as I pointed earlier in this discussion, I just wanted to give an exemple.

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Ahhhhhh the centralization excuse and the 'your English sucks' but nope....

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Edit: Honestly I have already had the idea of finding a trade to do with a DT just to win a DT green trust....

Honnetement j'ai deja eu l idee de trouver un trade à faire avec un DT pour gagner un green trust d'un DT

It's the same as I said, any user speaking french (not any of your buddies with who you were exchanging merits since months just for the sake of 'look at me I AM SWAG WITH MY MERITS') can confirm I translated as it should be

now you talk about the context, let's talk...
it doesn't help you more...

You can spend your time to find something else, as I said I have a lot more

asche

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Quote from: Bibite on January 16, 2019, 12:40:40 PM

user: asche

I would not trust someone who was interested to make a deal with a DT1 only to get a green trust. It clearly shows how shady people can be when it's about their own interest.
His whole feedback is questionable knowing this

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.48161118
https://web.archive.org/web/20190116173729/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5074020.msg48161118

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Edit: Honnêtement j'ai déjà caressé l'idée de trouver un trade à faire avec un DT juste pour gagner un green trust DT...

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Edit: Honestly I have already had the idea of finding a trade to do with a DT just to win a DT green trust....

I have of course a lot more spicy stories to bring soon...

This was actually because of the centralisation of the Trust System.

So what happened actually made me right.
Wanna discuss this more. Please make a topic in Reputation. I will be delighted to explain my point of view.

Also you should know this is irony since DTs hardly give reputation for single trades. But maybe it takes more than half a brain to read between the lines.

Cheers

Edit: Let me offer a proper translation because yours sucks:

"Honestly I even considered making a trade with a DT to get a green trust"

Adding the whole post for context.

Quote from: asche on November 23, 2018, 09:55:29 AM

Quote from: Tramirostronix on November 23, 2018, 09:36:47 AM

Quote from: ZeChris on November 23, 2018, 08:23:23 AM

Les plus reconnu ou les plus actifs ?

+ actif je pense, car pour moi reconnu il faudrait prendre en compte la trust de manière plus forte je pense

Le score prend en compte trust & merit.

Sauf que vu que ça utilise le réseau DT, ici pas grand monde aura un score différent de 0 sur la partie Trust.

Edit: Honnêtement j'ai déjà caressé l'idée de trouver un trade à faire avec un DT juste pour gagner un green trust DT...

This was about the recognition score on BPIP and the fact you can't get a "good" score if you have 0 trust from DT.

Bibite

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I would not trust someone who was interested to make a deal with a DT1 only to get a green trust. It clearly shows how shady people can be when it's about their own interest.
His whole feedback is questionable knowing this

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.48161118
https://web.archive.org/web/20190116173729/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5074020.msg48161118

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Edit: Honnêtement j'ai déjà caressé l'idée de trouver un trade à faire avec un DT juste pour gagner un green trust DT...

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Edit: Honestly I have already had the idea of finding a trade to do with a DT just to win a DT green trust....

I have of course a lot more spicy stories to bring soon... I just found this accidentally while searching for something...

TMAN

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Quote from: asche on January 16, 2019, 11:09:02 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

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Can you leave the drama outside Meta?

It's not really what it is meant for.

i'm with you - lets all move to Rep..

asche

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Quote from: ?? on ??

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Can you leave the drama outside Meta?

It's not really what it is meant for.

suchmoon

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https://bpip.org

Please use the other 15 threads you already have for that garbage. TYVM.

TMAN

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Quote from: asche on January 16, 2019, 10:49:09 AM

Will check it out for sure.
Not saying you are wrong, only using bad language has a way to make you lose relevance Wink

I hear ya dude, but I have the vocab of a builder unfortunately.. sometimes it is expressed when I am fighting a brick wall..

asche

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I forgot more than you will ever know.

Will check it out for sure.
Not saying you are wrong, only using bad language has a way to make you lose relevance Wink

TMAN

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Quote from: asche on January 16, 2019, 10:36:08 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

offensive posting style that has given me eye cancer and inability to quote the small part of a massive thread.

I hardly see how this is reason for a red tag. Not debating the other part, I have no stake in this debate.

I said I will ponder about it, IE think about it and I decided against it as it would be unfair, although it did force the fool to learn how to quote properly

Quote from: asche on January 16, 2019, 10:36:08 AM

Since he is supposed to be mental and not you, I would appreciate (for my eyes, and eye cancer risks) for you to refrain from using such names.

he is a stupid fuck - I don't see how my language affects your eyes in any way shape or form.

Edit - I would suggest you reading the initial thread in my neg reference, a few minutes browsing it should lead you to come to the same conclusion as I, maybe without the bad language though!

asche

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Quote from: ?? on ??

offensive posting style that has given me eye cancer and inability to quote the small part of a massive thread.

I hardly see how this is reason for a red tag. Not debating the other part, I have no stake in this debate.

Quote from: ?? on ??

Try harder you stupid fuck.

Since he is supposed to be mental and not you, I would appreciate (for my eyes, and eye cancer risks) for you to refrain from using such names.

cryptohunter

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MY RED TRUST LEFT BY SCUMBAGS - READ MY SIG

Quote from: TMAN on January 16, 2019, 04:37:07 AM

Quote from: TheNewAnon135246 on January 16, 2019, 03:47:30 AM

The current system appears to me more decentralized as it is.

Its also pretty cleaver.

DT-1 people who have lots of earned positive trust feedback (physical bitcoin collectors are at the top) these people have all been trusted with funds the majority of these trades without escrow
DT-2 the members that the above trust to look after the forum and protect the trust system and newbies from scammers

Many times better than a draconian system with a few members that Theymos trusted back in 2013. No longer is it a dictatorship, people who are trusted with funds are able to vote members in. Also what most people are ignoring is the onus that Theymos has put on people to set custom lists, if you don't like me or trust me then fucking exclude me - same for anyone else on DT-1, once this all goes through the wash and DT is expanded it will be interesting to see what the state of DT-1 is and how all the senior and trusted members have voted.

ill say it again, IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE SYSTEM SET A CUSTOM LIST. This is peoples chance to vote who is trusted and who isn't and once 50% of the forum is using custom lists then DT means fuck all anyway other than a guide to newbies (who wont be trading till they have an idea of how things happen here anyway)

cleaver?

Well i see you personally admitted 2 accounts of trust abuse so far.

1. you admitted you left red trust for me relating facts.
2. you just threatened to leave me red trust for not using a posting format you considered easier to read.

Get these types of abusers off of the DT list before it becomes a laughing stock.

proof can be provided.

suchmoon

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Quote from: Trago on January 16, 2019, 02:47:07 AM

untagged members

What does that mean?

TMAN

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Quote from: TheNewAnon135246 on January 16, 2019, 03:47:30 AM

The current system appears to me more decentralized as it is.

Its also pretty cleaver.

DT-1 people who have lots of earned positive trust feedback (physical bitcoin collectors are at the top) these people have all been trusted with funds the majority of these trades without escrow
DT-2 the members that the above trust to look after the forum and protect the trust system and newbies from scammers

Many times better than a draconian system with a few members that Theymos trusted back in 2013. No longer is it a dictatorship, people who are trusted with funds are able to vote members in. Also what most people are ignoring is the onus that Theymos has put on people to set custom lists, if you don't like me or trust me then fucking exclude me - same for anyone else on DT-1, once this all goes through the wash and DT is expanded it will be interesting to see what the state of DT-1 is and how all the senior and trusted members have voted.

ill say it again, IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE SYSTEM SET A CUSTOM LIST. This is peoples chance to vote who is trusted and who isn't and once 50% of the forum is using custom lists then DT means fuck all anyway other than a guide to newbies (who wont be trading till they have an idea of how things happen here anyway)

asche

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Quote from: Trago on January 16, 2019, 02:47:07 AM

I'm not tagged or in the run to be DT.

So why not express your voice with your original account? What do you fear exactly.

I didn't see much intimidation yet. Maybe a bit of heated debate.

You showed that your logic is invalid, I hardly see you get tagged or something like that if you had posted it with your main account.

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Quote from: Trago on January 16, 2019, 12:07:17 AM

DT1s :
-Should have earned at least 750 merits (number to raise with time)
-Should have an activity of at least 800
-Should be trusted by one of the admins

The basis of the DT system is the aggregation of unique feedback from many users. If you don't have feedback and you have activity and merit, how will it help other users to determine trust in a particular user?

TheNewAnon135246

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I like the changes so far. Theymos said that changes can/will still be made if the new system proves to be faulty. The current system appears to me more decentralized as it is.

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Quote from: Trago on January 16, 2019, 02:47:07 AM

Why not put all this to a vote, a vote in which untagged members with at least a certain amount of earned merits (20,30,50...I don't know) would participate?

I mean, you've just suggested exactly how the new system works. Any member with more than 10 merits gets to vote in who they want to be DT1. The more merit you have, the more user you can vote for. Just because you don't like the outcome of a vote, doesn't mean the entire system is invalid. The whole point of the system is to not have theymos handpicking a few DT1s. If there is anyone he really doesn't want on the DT1 list, he can still blacklist/remove them, so you can assume he is it at least somewhat happy with the current voted in list.

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Quote from: Trago on January 16, 2019, 02:47:07 AM

Quote from: bones261 on January 16, 2019, 12:24:32 AM

Must be someone who noticed that their trust score just turned red with all the untrusted feedback now becoming trusted feedback. Cheesy

Of course I'm an alt but no I'm not tagged or in the run to be DT.
This thread is 30 pages long of intimidation so I think it's wiser for me to use an alt. I'm just a regular member.
That doesn't mean my points can't be taken into consideration.

That's exactly what it means.

If you want the chance of anybody taking anything you have to say seriously, post under your main account.

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