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DdmrDdmr

legendary

Activity: 2338

Merit: 10802

There are lies, damned lies and statistics. MTwain

Quote from: Trago on January 16, 2019, 12:07:17 AM

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That would totally defeat the purpose of the changes which, I figure, vouch for a more decentralized system, since candidate numbers woud be really low:

Forum profiles that meet your DT1 criteria (*): 12
Forum profiles that meet your DT2 criteria (*): 23

Code:

user_id   name                          rank           activity  merit     earnedMerits        Your DT1 Criteria   Your DT2 Criteria
290195    achow101                      Staff          1638      1936      935                 Yes                 Yes
569455    BobLawblaw                    Legendary      1148      1683      683                 no                  Yes
11425     gmaxwell                      Staff          2618      1846      846                 Yes                 Yes
867786    HCP                           Legendary      840       1032      532                 no                  Yes
881377    Hhampuz                       Legendary      910       1001      501                 no                  Yes
397737    hilariousetc                  Legendary      1092      1759      1259                Yes                 Yes
41175     infofront                     Legendary      1526      1534      531                 no                  Yes
252510    JayJuanGee                    Legendary      1764      1505      504                 no                  Yes
698159    Jet Cash                      Legendary      1120      1430      927                 Yes                 Yes
49008     jojo69                        Legendary      1260      1558      558                 no                  Yes
479624    Last of the V8s               Legendary      1008      1698      1197                Yes                 Yes
101872    Lauda                         Legendary      2086      1687      687                 no                  Yes
459836    LoyceV                        Legendary      1358      2522      1522                Yes                 Yes
520313    Lutpin                        Legendary      1274      1764      764                 Yes                 Yes
787736    marlboroza                    Legendary      1064      1092      592                 no                  Yes
18321     OgNasty                       Donator        2786      1504      504                 no                  Yes
24140     qwk                           Donator        2002      1561      561                 no                  Yes
234771    suchmoon                      Legendary      1820      2256      1253                Yes                 Yes
487418    The Pharmacist                Legendary      1386      2286      1284                Yes                 Yes
35        theymos                       Administrator  3262      4502      3480                Yes                 Yes
98986     TMAN                          Legendary      1022      1225      722                 no                  Yes
30747     Vod                           Legendary      2618      1902      901                 Yes                 Yes
120694    xhomerx10                     Legendary      1890      1812      810                 Yes                 Yes

(*) Trusted by admin / DT1 not included, so numbers would be even lower really (plus DT1s would not be on the DT2 list).

Trago

newbie

Activity: 2

Merit: 0

Quote from: bones261 on January 16, 2019, 12:24:32 AM

Must be someone who noticed that their trust score just turned red with all the untrusted feedback now becoming trusted feedback. Cheesy

Of course I'm an alt but no I'm not tagged or in the run to be DT.
This thread is 30 pages long of intimidation so I think it's wiser for me to use an alt. I'm just a regular member.
That doesn't mean my points can't be taken into consideration.
Why not put all this to a vote, a vote in which untagged members with at least a certain amount of earned merits (20,30,50...I don't know) would participate?
Theymos would give us a few options on how DTs should be picked and we would vote for the one we prefer.

asche

legendary

Activity: 1484

Merit: 1491

I forgot more than you will ever know.

Quote from: Trago on January 16, 2019, 12:07:17 AM

I think this is too much change at once.
There are too many new faces as DTs, this will become a mess, there will be too much retaliation between people, too many tags given without thinking.
Look at this discussion. The fact that everyone's list is public brings a lot of drama.
But I suspect this is what Theymos wanted.

I think the criterias should be much more selective.

DT1s :
-Should have earned at least 750 merits (number to raise with time)
-Should have an activity of at least 800
-Should be trusted by one of the admins

DT2s :
-Should have earned at least 500 merits
-Should have an activity of at least 800 as well (no newbies please, they have no idea of the responsibility this is)
-Sould be trusted by at least 2 DT1s

I understand that Theymos wants the merit criteria to be taken into account and I agree with that but the rest is way too subjective. The DTs should be established members who know this place and will take their job seriously, not new guys who will be on a power trip and tag everyone on sight.

So you want us to believe you understand what the Trust Network is, what activity is and what merits are, having joined the forum just today?
If you want your post to have any credit whatsoever you should use your main account Wink

Lauda

legendary

Activity: 2674

Merit: 3000

Terminated.

Quote from: bones261 on January 16, 2019, 12:24:32 AM

Quote from: owlcatz on January 16, 2019, 12:11:01 AM

Quote from: Trago on January 16, 2019, 12:07:17 AM

~snip~

So you are brand new to the forum, and know the way it "Should work" Huh

Lol....

Must be someone who noticed that their trust score just turned red with all the untrusted feedback now becoming trusted feedback. Cheesy

Maybe it's just another alt of Quickscammer. It would be best to avoid manipulative advice. Roll Eyes

suchmoon

legendary

Activity: 3654

Merit: 8909

https://bpip.org

Quote from: Trago on January 16, 2019, 12:07:17 AM

-Should have an activity of at least 800

Activity has nothing to do with trust.

Quote from: Trago on January 16, 2019, 12:07:17 AM

-Should be trusted by one of the admins

That's what it used to be. A handpicked list of DT1 members. We're moving away from that.

bones261

legendary

Activity: 1806

Merit: 1828

Quote from: owlcatz on January 16, 2019, 12:11:01 AM

Quote from: Trago on January 16, 2019, 12:07:17 AM

~snip~

So you are brand new to the forum, and know the way it "Should work" Huh

Lol....

Must be someone who noticed that their trust score just turned red with all the untrusted feedback now becoming trusted feedback. Cheesy

owlcatz

legendary

Activity: 3570

Merit: 1959

Quote from: Trago on January 16, 2019, 12:07:17 AM

I think this is too much change at once.
There are too many new faces as DTs, this will become a mess, there will be too much retaliation between people, too many tags given without thinking.
Look at this discussion. The fact that everyone's list is public brings a lot of drama.
But I suspect this is what Theymos wanted.

I think the criterias should be much more selective.

DT1s :
-Should have earned at least 750 merits (number to raise with time)
-Should have an activity of at least 800
-Should be trusted by one of the admins

DT2s :
-Should have earned at least 500 merits
-Should have an activity of at least 800 as well (no newbies please, they have no idea of the responsibility this is)
-Sould be trusted by at least 2 DT1s

I understand that Theymos wants the merit criteria to be taken into account and I agree with that but the rest is way too subjective. The DTs should be established members who know this place and will take their job seriously, not new guys who will be on a power trip and tag everyone on sight.

So you are brand new to the forum, and know the way it "Should work" Huh

Lol....

Trago

newbie

Activity: 2

Merit: 0

I think this is too much change at once.
There are too many new faces as DTs, this will become a mess, there will be too much retaliation between people, too many tags given without thinking.
Look at this discussion. The fact that everyone's list is public brings a lot of drama.
But I suspect this is what Theymos wanted.

I think the criterias should be much more selective.

DT1s :
-Should have earned at least 750 merits (number to raise with time)
-Should have an activity of at least 800
-Should be trusted by one of the admins

DT2s :
-Should have earned at least 500 merits
-Should have an activity of at least 800 as well (no newbies please, they have no idea of the responsibility this is)
-Sould be trusted by at least 2 DT1s

I understand that Theymos wants the merit criteria to be taken into account and I agree with that but the rest is way too subjective. The DTs should be established members who know this place and will take their job seriously, not new guys who will be on a power trip and tag everyone on sight.

cryptohunter

legendary

Activity: 2100

Merit: 1167

MY RED TRUST LEFT BY SCUMBAGS - READ MY SIG

Quote from: Lauda on January 15, 2019, 02:17:31 PM

Quote from: The Cryptovator on January 15, 2019, 02:14:31 PM

Since lot of new face on DT network, I am expecting a suggestion's/motivational post from old DT members. To be honest lot of here even don't know where should leave what kind of feedback. So if there is few suggestion's then we can learn from it especially who is totally new.

Here's some quick advice:
1) For positive feedback: Be very conservative.
2) For negative feedback: Be strict and follow the general standards (what we tag for and what we don't tag for).
3) For trust lists: Not that important unless you are DT1, but I'd say be even more conservative than 1).

Well seems you don't stick by those standards at all.

I presented evidence that you lied and said I would encourage persons to examine your history .......... you then gave me red trust.

Only those that have wrong doing in their past history would view encouraging people to look back at it a bad thing. Do you have things to hide? well the fact you lied with financial motivation is there in black and white. Can't weasel out of that.

Then the 2 others involved/implicated in your extortion scheme tman and owlcatz both gave me red trust for saying you are an abuser of the trust system and again presenting evidence that you are indeed a financially motivated liar.

One of your idiot friends tman admitted in black and white he gave me red trust because I presented facts about you

Unless you can find one lie that I have posted about you then you need to remove my red trust.

The funny thing is you rushed to a thread without me even asking you to prior to all of this to accuse me of being a liar and when I said produce the evidence you did not.

So you are a fool, liar, trust abuser with double standards. That is without all the other shady stuff you are implicated in....

This is on topic so I don't expect it to be removed from this thread.

You can not have a proven liar and abuser of the trust system telling others how to use the trust system when clearly not following his own advice.

OgNasty

donator

Activity: 4760

Merit: 4323

Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform

Quote from: Hhampuz on January 15, 2019, 03:04:51 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on January 15, 2019, 03:03:09 PM

Quote from: TheNewAnon135246 on January 15, 2019, 02:56:27 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on January 15, 2019, 02:18:16 PM

Well, we almost made it a week with the new trust system before newly appointed DT members were connected to a large scam (>$70,000)...

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/fortunejack-casino-refuses-to-pay-20-btc-won-from-jackpot-5097164

20 BTC jackpot not paid out to a user playing by the rules. DT member wearing a paid signature from the accused scam site rushing to defend it in spite of having the exact opposite opinion on previous similar cases.

I think it's a bit early to call that a scam or accusing people of defending a scam. Please try to refrain from starting more drama over nothing.

Not too early to defend your signature advertiser though, right? Please try to refrain from downplaying someone's loss of >$70,000.

Hmmm.... Betcoin.... Hmmm...

I actually agree with you, they were extremely similar. I was harassed constantly by several members in multiple channels outside of this forum until I removed the signature, which I did before my agreed advertisement period. Probably the only time I've ever gone against my word on this site. Luckily, Betcoin was horrified by the allegations and understanding of me wanting to remove the signature for any perceived damage to my reputation that wearing it might have caused even though I only had it for a matter of days and they had positive trust when I agreed to it.

Quote from: Lauda on January 15, 2019, 01:19:44 PM

Betcoin maybe? Not even remotely similar.

Lauda however doesn't agree with you, because of the obvious hypocrisy.

Quickseller

copper member

Activity: 2996

Merit: 2374

Quote from: TheNewAnon135246 on January 15, 2019, 02:56:27 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on January 15, 2019, 02:18:16 PM

Well, we almost made it a week with the new trust system before newly appointed DT members were connected to a large scam (>$70,000)...

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/fortunejack-casino-refuses-to-pay-20-btc-won-from-jackpot-5097164

20 BTC jackpot not paid out to a user playing by the rules. DT member wearing a paid signature from the accused scam site rushing to defend it in spite of having the exact opposite opinion on previous similar cases.

I think it's a bit early to call that a scam or accusing people of defending a scam. Please try to refrain from starting more drama over nothing.

I wouldn’t jump out blindly saying everything is fine and dandy without reviewing the evidence.

Based on what I have seen so far, I think FJ is in the wrong.

vlom

legendary

Activity: 1498

Merit: 1117

Quote from: TECSHARE on January 15, 2019, 02:29:39 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on January 15, 2019, 02:18:16 PM

Well, we almost made it a week with the new trust system before newly appointed DT members were connected to a large scam (>$70,000)...

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/fortunejack-casino-refuses-to-pay-20-btc-won-from-jackpot-5097164

20 BTC jackpot not paid out to a user playing by the rules. DT member wearing a paid signature from the accused scam site rushing to defend it in spite of having the exact opposite opinion on previous similar cases.

The trust system has become a popularity contest rather than a gauge of who will and will not rip you off, and con artists are usually quite charming by nature.

wow. you got it. thank you for this conclusion. i think that after reading this most of the discussions about dt can be closed.

Hhampuz

legendary

Activity: 3038

Merit: 6194

Meh.

Quote from: OgNasty on January 15, 2019, 03:03:09 PM

Quote from: TheNewAnon135246 on January 15, 2019, 02:56:27 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on January 15, 2019, 02:18:16 PM

Well, we almost made it a week with the new trust system before newly appointed DT members were connected to a large scam (>$70,000)...

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/fortunejack-casino-refuses-to-pay-20-btc-won-from-jackpot-5097164

20 BTC jackpot not paid out to a user playing by the rules. DT member wearing a paid signature from the accused scam site rushing to defend it in spite of having the exact opposite opinion on previous similar cases.

I think it's a bit early to call that a scam or accusing people of defending a scam. Please try to refrain from starting more drama over nothing.

Not too early to defend your signature advertiser though, right? Please try to refrain from downplaying someone's loss of >$70,000.

Hmmm.... Betcoin.... Hmmm...

OgNasty

donator

Activity: 4760

Merit: 4323

Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform

Quote from: TheNewAnon135246 on January 15, 2019, 02:56:27 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on January 15, 2019, 02:18:16 PM

Well, we almost made it a week with the new trust system before newly appointed DT members were connected to a large scam (>$70,000)...

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/fortunejack-casino-refuses-to-pay-20-btc-won-from-jackpot-5097164

20 BTC jackpot not paid out to a user playing by the rules. DT member wearing a paid signature from the accused scam site rushing to defend it in spite of having the exact opposite opinion on previous similar cases.

I think it's a bit early to call that a scam or accusing people of defending a scam. Please try to refrain from starting more drama over nothing.

Not too early to defend your signature advertiser though, right? Please try to refrain from downplaying someone's loss of >$70,000.

TheNewAnon135246

legendary

Activity: 2198

Merit: 1989

฿uy ฿itcoin

Quote from: OgNasty on January 15, 2019, 02:18:16 PM

Well, we almost made it a week with the new trust system before newly appointed DT members were connected to a large scam (>$70,000)...

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/fortunejack-casino-refuses-to-pay-20-btc-won-from-jackpot-5097164

20 BTC jackpot not paid out to a user playing by the rules. DT member wearing a paid signature from the accused scam site rushing to defend it in spite of having the exact opposite opinion on previous similar cases.

I think it's a bit early to call that a scam or accusing people of defending a scam. Please try to refrain from starting more drama over nothing.

TECSHARE

legendary

Activity: 3318

Merit: 2008

First Exclusion Ever

Quote from: OgNasty on January 15, 2019, 02:18:16 PM

Well, we almost made it a week with the new trust system before newly appointed DT members were connected to a large scam (>$70,000)...

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/fortunejack-casino-refuses-to-pay-20-btc-won-from-jackpot-5097164

20 BTC jackpot not paid out to a user playing by the rules. DT member wearing a paid signature from the accused scam site rushing to defend it in spite of having the exact opposite opinion on previous similar cases.

The trust system has become a popularity contest rather than a gauge of who will and will not rip you off, and con artists are usually quite charming by nature.

The Sceptical Chymist

legendary

Activity: 3556

Merit: 7011

Top Crypto Casino

Quote from: taikuri13 on January 15, 2019, 01:19:25 PM

Now I understand that every feedback from DT2 participants is a big responsibility.

That's what all new DT2 members need to know, and they need to be prepared to defend every feedback they leave. It's an almost certainty that if you leave a neg on someone, it'll get challenged either by PM or in a thread, so all the new DT2 members should be prepared for that. I'm pretty sure DT1 knows this stuff already.

Quote from: The Cryptovator on January 15, 2019, 02:14:31 PM

To be honest lot of here even don't know where should leave what kind of feedback. So if there is few suggestion's then we can learn from it especially who is totally new.

Leave appropriate feedback with a valid reference link if it's a neg, and be careful who you give positives to. I've already said that, but it's the best advice IMO. Nobody is forcing any new DT2 members to start leaving feedbacks, so hopefully none of you feel pressured to do so.

OgNasty

donator

Activity: 4760

Merit: 4323

Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform

Well, we almost made it a week with the new trust system before newly appointed DT members were connected to a large scam (>$70,000)...

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/fortunejack-casino-refuses-to-pay-20-btc-won-from-jackpot-5097164

20 BTC jackpot not paid out to a user playing by the rules. DT member wearing a paid signature from the accused scam site rushing to defend it in spite of having the exact opposite opinion on previous similar cases.

Lauda

legendary

Activity: 2674

Merit: 3000

Terminated.

Quote from: The Cryptovator on January 15, 2019, 02:14:31 PM

Since lot of new face on DT network, I am expecting a suggestion's/motivational post from old DT members. To be honest lot of here even don't know where should leave what kind of feedback. So if there is few suggestion's then we can learn from it especially who is totally new.

Here's some quick advice:
1) For positive feedback: Be very conservative.
2) For negative feedback: Be strict and follow the general standards (what we tag for and what we don't tag for).
3) For trust lists: Not that important unless you are DT1, but I'd say be even more conservative than 1).

The Cryptovator

legendary

Activity: 2436

Merit: 2228

Signature space for rent

Since lot of new face on DT network, I am expecting a suggestion's/motivational post from old DT members. To be honest lot of here even don't know where should leave what kind of feedback. So if there is few suggestion's then we can learn from it especially who is totally new.

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