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legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1828
January 14, 2019, 07:32:15 PM
Wow, I think some tilde keys are going to be getting a lot of use.  Cheesy


That's my inclusion and I can assure I'll be watching it for any potential improprieties... top notch investigator though and has the right mindset for DT.

Thanks for giving some of us the chance to be DT rookies.  Wink
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
January 14, 2019, 07:28:54 PM

That's my inclusion and I can assure I'll be watching it for any potential improprieties... top notch investigator though and has the right mindset for DT.

Some of the users in the list are moderators included by theymos (rickbig41, Halab, Xal0lex) so perhaps we should leave them out of any concerns unless there's a specific issue.
legendary
Activity: 1876
Merit: 1475
January 14, 2019, 07:16:01 PM
Lafu seems to have added everyone who left them positive trust feedback (excluding playersfun). I left a vote against them for now
Thanks for the info. I just did the same (along with VonSpass). A few more DT1 are required to exclude Lafu.


I strongly disagree with adding people solely for the purpose of boosting your own trust score
Absolutely agree. This should be handled:

I'd like to propose a change to discourage DT1 members from adding users to DT2 just to improve their own trust:
If a DT2 member is added only by one DT1 user and the former left positive trust to the later then it should not appear as trusted on the DT1's profile.

So in practice the DT1's default trust should not be affected by changes made by that DT1 user to their trust list.
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 18775
January 14, 2019, 07:01:17 PM
Maybe we voted for them because we think they would make good decisions for the community if they got into DT1.
Obviously, there are some users on the list I have made who are trusted in other ways - be it involvement with developing bitcoin core, moderators, etc. However, the list I have made above is composed of DT2 members, the majority of whom are DT2 members based on a singe inclusion from a DT1 member, and not from a community vote.

legendary
Activity: 2100
Merit: 1167
MY RED TRUST LEFT BY SCUMBAGS - READ MY SIG
January 14, 2019, 06:59:27 PM
You're taking this way too personally.

I haven't taken anything personally. I haven't excluded those that have excluded me, because I am hoping, not expecting, that they will be willing to explain themselves. If I agree with their reasoning, then I can better myself or be accountable for where they see shortcomings. If I disagree with their reasoning or lack thereof, then I can place them as an exclusion and we both go on our way.

First of all, I don't know the reason why these people have excluded you. However, if I had to guess, it probably has something to with this.

Given the fact that Toy4lov3rs used the address a year before you did, it's pretty damning.



How it that worse than what the pharmacist did? here?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17808231



legendary
Activity: 2296
Merit: 2271
BTC or BUST
January 14, 2019, 06:53:54 PM
There are a concerning number of users now on DT2 who have left zero, or close to zero, ratings.

I don't think it is a problem that DT members that haven't sent much feedback..
Maybe we voted for them because we think they would make good decisions for the community if they got into DT1.

Also concerning is that in a not insignificant number of the users who have only left 1 or 2 feedbacks, they are only on DT2 because of the inclusion of a single DT1 user, and the only feedback they have left is a positive to that same DT1 member.

This IS something to keep your eyes out for.
DT1 members padding their feedback scores by including or excluding certain DT2s..

I strongly disagree with adding people solely for the purpose of boosting your own trust score
+1

I'm not sure what to think of the cryptopia bunch anyway having been around for their earlier threads and having personal run-ins with their hotshots at their site also..
legendary
Activity: 2772
Merit: 3284
January 14, 2019, 06:46:02 PM
From list of new DT members, here are some people who I think should be excluded:

VonSpass - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vonspass-219067 | alt of scammer
lovesmayfamilis - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lovesmayfamilis-1982152 | added by ICOEthics, only trust feedback left is to ICOEthics and Coolcryptovator
DJ1554 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dj1554-875141 | added by xtraelv and Lafu, only trust feedback left is to xtraelv and Lafu
zeki555 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zeki555-1392550 | added by Lafu, only trust feedback left is to Lafu
zoose - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zoose-543831 | added by Lafu, only trust feedback left is to Lafu
unick - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/unick-144671 | added by Lafu, only trust feedback left is to Lafu
desertboy10 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/desertboy10-1029297 | added by Lafu, only trust feedback left is to Lafu
Bigjohnson124 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bigjohnson124-185728 | zero trust feedback left
cyberbully - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cyberbully-539192 | Newbie, inactive since 2015, zero trust feedback left
gost111 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/gost111-566884 | has only one trust feedback left that's calling someone a scammer without a reference or any proof
MySeriousFaceIsOn - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/myseriousfaceison-1033523 | Newbie, zero trust feedback left
mxhwr - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mxhwr-235528 | inactive since 2017, very few trust feedbacks left, one of which is to Lafu who added them
raymond541 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/raymond541-808354 | some random bounty manager who hasn't posted since Sep 2018, very few trust feedbacks left
TripleHeXXX - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/triplehexxx-226346 | has left only one trust feedback
mole0815 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mole0815-1424178 | zero trust feedback left
CDMcoin - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cdmcoin-2152197 | random Newbie with no trust feedback left
btct22 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ocminer-43526 | added by Lafu, only trust feedback left is to Lafu & one other person

Lafu seems to have added everyone who left them positive trust feedback (excluding playersfun). I left a vote against them for now as I strongly disagree with adding people solely for the purpose of boosting your own trust score (not sure if it was done intentionally or from not understanding what a trust list should be for). Lafu (and xtraelv to a lesser degree) seem to have added everyone they've traded with/talked to which isn't very good practice. They should reconsider their trust lists imo.

If someone agrees with me for the above and wants to quickly exclude them, here's a list you can copy.


edit: o_e_l_e_o was faster than me it seems in posting those with few trust feedback left
legendary
Activity: 3570
Merit: 1959
January 14, 2019, 06:45:47 PM
Thanks for the list. Is there a way you can "Last Active" to that list? Seems many have not been active in a while, but I only checked a few...
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 18775
January 14, 2019, 06:37:26 PM
There are a concerning number of users now on DT2 who have left zero, or close to zero, ratings. It seems quite a few DT1 members are confusing "leaving positive feedback" with "adding to your trust list". This is a small distinction when you are not on DT1, but a big issue when you are. Also concerning is that in a not insignificant number of the users who have only left 1 or 2 feedbacks, they are only on DT2 because of the inclusion of a single DT1 user, and the only feedback they have left is a positive to that same DT1 member.


Sent 2 ratings:
Raoul Duke - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/raoul-duke-9477 - Trust
Halab - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/halab-1053119 - Trust
SolarSilver - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/solarsilver-16248 - Trust
JoelKatz - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/joelkatz-27870 - Trust
alp - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/alp-139027 - Trust
IdiotCoder - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/idiotcoder-932936 - Trust
Astro - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/astro-3480 - Trust
morvillz7z - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/morvillz7z-1825672 - Trust
Vaporware - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vaporware-511342 - Trust
Elwar - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/elwar-554 - Trust
btct22 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ocminer-43526 - Trust
HCLivess - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hclivess-188453 - Trust
DJ1554 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dj1554-875141 - Trust
lovesmayfamilis - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lovesmayfamilis-1982152 - Trust


Sent 1 rating:
Vladimir - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vladimir-3380 - Trust
gwillen - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/gwillen-22698 - Trust
risho - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/risho-34894 - Trust
mrkent - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mrkent-43172 - Trust
Novun - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/novun-1007555 - Trust
TomCrypto - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/tomcrypto-1227753 - Trust
unick - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/unick-144671 - Trust
TripleHeXXX - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/triplehexxx-226346 - Trust
jstefanop - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/jstefanop-324365 - Trust
Spidersbox - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/spidersbox-374905 - Trust
zoose - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zoose-543831 - Trust
sigma2543 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/sigma2543-831007 - Trust
desertboy10 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/desertboy10-1029297 - Trust
saga-crypto - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/saga-crypto-1116811 - Trust
zeki555 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zeki555-1392550 - Trust
gost111 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/gost111-566884 - Trust
gerdab - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/gerdab-262072 - Trust


Sent no ratings:
Meni Rosenfeld - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/meni-rosenfeld-5776 - Trust
rickbig41 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mr-big-553678 - Trust
Xal0lex - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/xal0lex-1068464 - Trust
chimk - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/chimk-1202061 - Trust
Pieter Wuille - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/pieter-wuille-2786 - Trust
Matt Corallo - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/matt-corallo-4528 - Trust
forrestv - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/forrestv-6447 - Trust
CydeWeys - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cydeweys-12459 - Trust
kneim - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kneim-43064 - Trust
romanornr - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/romanornr-225292 - Trust
dolphriends - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dolphriends-1099535 - Trust
Corrosive - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/corrosive-2005913 - Trust
freemind1 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/freemind1-199420 - Trust
JayJuanGee - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/jayjuangee-252510 - Trust
WOLTAN78 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/woltan78-369186 - Trust
Helana - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/helana-2359691 - Trust
Bigjohnson124 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bigjohnson124-185728 - Trust
cyberbully - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cyberbully-539192 - Trust
Hardstyles - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hardstyles-820393 - Trust
Nivir - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/nivir-893705 - Trust
MySeriousFaceIsOn - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/myseriousfaceison-1033523 - Trust
mole0815 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mole0815-1424178 - Trust
CDMcoin - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cdmcoin-2152197 - Trust
waya - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/waya-494630 - Trust
Maggiordomo - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/maggiordomo-2340148 - Trust


hero member
Activity: 908
Merit: 657
January 14, 2019, 06:20:47 PM
Given the fact that Toy4lov3rs used the address a year before you did, it's pretty damning.

Toy4lov3rs is one of my clueless IRL friends. The only IRL friend I know of that has an account on the forum, in fact (unfortunately). It's a shame that I feel I have to explain this. They know nothing of Bitcoin, and next to nothing about the forum. I got them to read about a dozen stickies, on a newly created account, but I don't remember the username of that account and it's probably still a 0-post newbie. They very seldom log into their account and have no interest in the forum.

They were wanting to apply for a campaign and told me they were confused. After I explained to them that they would be denied for the quality of their posts, they proceeded to use the template I provided as an example for their actual application, which had my address on it. If memory serves, I had created that address specifically while walking them through how to create an address on Core to replace the address within the "template". You call this benign situation "damning", as if there is a valid accusation somewhere in there. When in reality all that is here is Address Mismanagement and Miscommunication while walking a friend through a process.

Rmcdermott927 and Toy4lov3rs even spoke extensively and had further interaction off the forum. I'd feel more comfortable asking Rmcdermott927 if I can elaborate on that before doing so; That shouldn't even be necessary.

Toy4lov3rs is not my account, but I did go to high school with the owner.

Thanks for the explanation, glad this misunderstanding has been cleared up. I'm sure you can see what it looks like to others.

Anyway, seems your friend is a bit of an account trader then. It appears the current owner of Toy4lov3rs lives in India! Imagine that  Cheesy

Funnily enough, it looks like he actually found the forums a year before you and couldn't figure out how to make his own wallet for 3 years. I don't think anyone can be that clueless, so I'm guess he bought the account too. In any event, whoever created it/sold it to him had posted a bunch of wallet addresses prior to 2016, so I don't really see why he'd ask you to create one for him if he was the original owner.

How he went about buying a bitcointalk account without a Bitcoin wallet, I don't know, but hats off to him for the ingenuity!


If I was you, I really wouldn't push the issue as to why someone wouldn't want you on DT, unless you have an extremely good reason for the facts outlined above.

I don't feel like people should be walking on egg-shells around here when they have done nothing wrong. I don't know how to make it clearer, but I do not have a care in the world about being on DT. Nor do I understand why you're making these emboldened statements. I appreciate the suggestion, but it seems you misunderstand my intention.

Fair enough, my intention was only to give you what I perceived to be the most likely explanation, since it seems you want one. Whether the claims are true or not, I hope you can see how they have some merit.


legendary
Activity: 3262
Merit: 1130
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
January 14, 2019, 06:09:18 PM
New DT2 members

Slow death

Oh now it makes sense why I got this:

Hi sir
I have got warning trade caution, why ? And pls can you tell me how to delete and solve this if I made a mistake.
Thank you

But he saw this:



fallaga1 (Nabil Harabi) is Scammer Here - Becareful about this cheater

In the next few weeks we will see many "Hi sir"
legendary
Activity: 3570
Merit: 1959
January 14, 2019, 06:09:09 PM
It must be you. I'm not seeing that.

Oh jeez, I'm an idiot today, thank you ... I Forgot I played around with scripts a bit the other day and left it turned on.. Tongue
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
January 14, 2019, 06:04:34 PM
Is it just me or is everything defaulting to ;dt on urls? For example, I get an error on editing my watchlist because of it... Tongue

It must be you. I'm not seeing that.
legendary
Activity: 3570
Merit: 1959
January 14, 2019, 06:01:20 PM
Is it just me or is everything defaulting to ;dt on urls? For example, I get an error on editing my watchlist because of it... Tongue

legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 18775
January 14, 2019, 05:57:45 PM
As requested. I've included a link to each user's trust page in default trust (;dt) view.


Meni Rosenfeld - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/meni-rosenfeld-5776 - Trust
Raoul Duke - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/raoul-duke-9477 - Trust
Adriano - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/adriano-112568 - Trust
dbshck - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dbshck-153634 - Trust
shorena - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/shorena-181801 - Trust
franckuestein - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/franckuestein-225121 - Trust
OmegaStarScream - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/omegastarscream-375981 - Trust
rickbig41 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mr-big-553678 - Trust
Barcode_ - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/barcode-779106 - Trust
Anon11073 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/anon11073-969327 - Trust
Halab - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/halab-1053119 - Trust
Xal0lex - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/xal0lex-1068464 - Trust
chimk - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/chimk-1202061 - Trust
Gavin Andresen - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/gavin-andresen-224 - Trust
midnightmagic - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/midnightmagic-2759 - Trust
Pieter Wuille - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/pieter-wuille-2786 - Trust
Vladimir - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vladimir-3380 - Trust
Matt Corallo - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/matt-corallo-4528 - Trust
forrestv - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/forrestv-6447 - Trust
SgtSpike - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/sgtspike-10502 - Trust
CydeWeys - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cydeweys-12459 - Trust
SolarSilver - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/solarsilver-16248 - Trust
gwillen - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/gwillen-22698 - Trust
JoelKatz - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/joelkatz-27870 - Trust
Anduck - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/anduck-31931 - Trust
ssateneth - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ssateneth-33107 - Trust
risho - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/risho-34894 - Trust
rdponticelli - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/rdponticelli-37502 - Trust
mrkent - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mrkent-43172 - Trust
ninjarobot - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ninjarobot-44673 - Trust
Entropy-uc - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/entropy-uc-58711 - Trust
Carlton Banks - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/carlton-banks-64205 - Trust
Minor Miner - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/minor-miner-86948 - Trust
fluffypony - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/fluffypony-94840 - Trust
waldohoover - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/waldohoover-101143 - Trust
Lauda - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lauda-101872 - Trust
pmorici - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/pmorici-107601 - Trust
frankenmint - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/frankenmint-130175 - Trust
yakuza699 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/yakuza699-136722 - Trust
alp - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/alp-139027 - Trust
IdiotCoder - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/idiotcoder-932936 - Trust
Ente - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ente-21577 - Trust
zefir - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zefir-23248 - Trust
kneim - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kneim-43064 - Trust
fhh - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/fhh-56886 - Trust
Kushedout - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kushedout-104052 - Trust
vanycon - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vanycon-116602 - Trust
Carra23 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/carra23-122354 - Trust
ndnh - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ndnh-146601 - Trust
crunck - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/crunck-307195 - Trust
chronicsky - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/chronicsky-353680 - Trust
MrLehmann - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mrlehmann-533570 - Trust
AltcoinSteps - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/altcoinsteps-547382 - Trust
greenplastic - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/greenplastic-160943 - Trust
owlcatz - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/owlcatz-313016 - Trust
JohnUser - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/johnuser-319562 - Trust
Lafu - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lafu-805820 - Trust
xtraelv - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/xtraelv-897509 - Trust
krogothmanhattan - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/krogothmanhattan-1000199 - Trust
coinlocket$ - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/coinlocket-1339716 - Trust
asche - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/asche-1580039 - Trust
Coolcryptovator - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/the-cryptovator-1980983 - Trust
1miau - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/1miau-2143453 - Trust
ICOEthics - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/icoethics-2204241 - Trust
squall1066 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/squall1066-55503 - Trust
TMAN - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/tman-98986 - Trust
shdvb - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/shdvb-318030 - Trust
Isildur (official) - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/isildur-official-545598 - Trust
Jet Cash - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/jet-cash-698159 - Trust
condoras - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/condoras-740502 - Trust
iasenko - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/thebeardedbaby-1291828 - Trust
PsychoticBoy - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/psychoticboy-54752 - Trust
Otoh - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/otoh-20300 - Trust
iron77 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/iron77-33192 - Trust
TheNewAnon135246 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/thenewanon135246-153656 - Trust
romanornr - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/romanornr-225292 - Trust
Zepher - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zepher-369879 - Trust
Eodguy149 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/eodguy149-524681 - Trust
Luke-Jr - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/luke-jr-3318 - Trust
tysat - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/tysat-17261 - Trust
tmfp - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/tmfp-351569 - Trust
vizique - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vizique-120837 - Trust
yogg - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/yogg-140827 - Trust
wheelz1200 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/wheelz1200-279158 - Trust
achow101 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/achow101-290195 - Trust
dazedfool - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dazedfool-327499 - Trust
ezeminer - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ezeminer-396526 - Trust
Gunthar - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/gunthar-817682 - Trust
nullius - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/nullius-976210 - Trust
rusbitcoinuser - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/rusbitcoinuser-1026500 - Trust
Alex_Sr - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/alexsr-1762404 - Trust
dArkjON - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/darkjon-132212 - Trust
anonymousminer - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/anonymousminer-1668017 - Trust
tyrion70 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/tyrion70-103907 - Trust
djjacket - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/djjacket-131351 - Trust
Lesbian Cow - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lesbian-cow-206143 - Trust
BitcoinPenny - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bitcoinpenny-352429 - Trust
Novun - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/novun-1007555 - Trust
buckrogers - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/buckrogers-189967 - Trust
polymerbit - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/polymerbit-811213 - Trust
Hox - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hox-378327 - Trust
Xprim777 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/xprim777-383795 - Trust
ChiBitCTy - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/chibitcty-904524 - Trust
Kryptowerk - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kryptowerk-949248 - Trust
F2b - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/f2b-1120609 - Trust
TomCrypto - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/tomcrypto-1227753 - Trust
Astro - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/astro-3480 - Trust
Pistachio - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/pistachio-47306 - Trust
BG4 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bg4-74263 - Trust
miffman - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/miffman-83038 - Trust
Hiroaki - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hiroaki-103005 - Trust
Ticked - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ticked-129764 - Trust
bittawm - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bittawm-144811 - Trust
Poloherb - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/poloherb-158058 - Trust
hybridsole - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hybridsole-158444 - Trust
AT101ET - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/at101et-170557 - Trust
Kialara - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kialara-364237 - Trust
digicoinuser - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/digicoinuser-402550 - Trust
tothemoonsands - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/tothemoonsands-504780 - Trust
m4nki - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/m4nki-506922 - Trust
zekoroger - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zekoroger-533761 - Trust
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legendary
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January 14, 2019, 05:52:02 PM
The comparison is not with the explanation but with the action you would take if you don't get an explanation. Yes, it would be nice to have one, yes, it's borderline creepy to retaliate if you don't.

I understand what you're getting at more now, but I disagree with what you're saying. Without the explanation I would either continue to search for an explanation internally or close the case with the conclusion that the other person's judgement is in contradiction to my own. A more appropriate analogy would be that you distrust your ex, telling your friends of your opinion on the matter. Similar to how on the forum you would then distrust their judgement if you believe they are volatile and act without justification and therefore exclude them from your trust list.

I've only ever had at-will employment so perhaps that example doesn't translate well to your situation - if so, ignore it.

My explanation was provided by an at-will employer; some employers go above and beyond.  Wink


Anybody can exclude anybody they want and they don't need to provide an explanation. Even if you're convinced otherwise

I agree and I am not convinced otherwise.

the whole discussion is becoming kinda pointless.

I agree, but there seemed to be a general consensus that was unchallenged so I thought I might as well throw it out there. It was starting to sound like there was only one acceptable solution and that is to not exclude those that have excluded you; as though there is no valid reason to distrust someone that is unwilling to provide an explanation for their decisions. 

Personally I think you'd be hurting your chances of a potential future inclusion if you do this.

Luckily inclusion is not a consideration of mine and I will not allow it to influence my actions. My concern is what is best for the community and it seems strange to allow important decisions to be made without even requesting an explanation.
legendary
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January 14, 2019, 05:36:54 PM
I don't know what kind of person one must be for a significant-other to leave you without explanation and this to be considered normal behavior. I've been let go from one job and they provided me with an explanation; the company lost a lot of clients and 80% of their workforce.

Now I'm the one not following you, so maybe we're just missing each other on this. I don't see the analogy between posting revenge porn and seeking an explanation on a course of self-improvement.

The comparison is not with the explanation but with the action you would take if you don't get an explanation. Yes, it would be nice to have one, yes, it's borderline creepy to retaliate if you don't.

I've only ever had at-will employment so perhaps that example doesn't translate well to your situation - if so, ignore it.

I'm not assuming it is against me, which is why I haven't drawn any conclusions without hearing from these users directly. Again, we are talking about principles and concepts, not my own personal feelings about my situation. This is another benign situation that I am unconcerned about. Assuming I'd like to provide disincentive to discourage unexplained simultaneous movement within the trust-network; what options are there outside an exclusion of those users?

Anybody can exclude anybody they want and they don't need to provide an explanation. Even if you're convinced otherwise - it's impossible to enforce explanations and impossible to retaliate against everyone consistently so the whole discussion is becoming kinda pointless. Do what you think is best but don't be surprised if someone interprets it as petty. Personally I think you'd be hurting your chances of a potential future inclusion if you do this.
legendary
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January 14, 2019, 05:20:25 PM
Given the fact that Toy4lov3rs used the address a year before you did, it's pretty damning.

Toy4lov3rs is one of my clueless IRL friends. The only IRL friend I know of that has an account on the forum, in fact (unfortunately). It's a shame that I feel I have to explain this. They know nothing of Bitcoin, and next to nothing about the forum. I got them to read about a dozen stickies, on a newly created account, but I don't remember the username of that account and it's probably still a 0-post newbie. They very seldom log into their account and have no interest in the forum.

They were wanting to apply for a campaign and told me they were confused. After I explained to them that they would be denied for the quality of their posts, they proceeded to use the template I provided as an example for their actual application, which had my address on it. If memory serves, I had created that address specifically while walking them through how to create an address on Core to replace the address within the "template". You call this benign situation "damning", as if there is a valid accusation somewhere in there. When in reality all that is here is Address Mismanagement and Miscommunication while walking a friend through a process.

Rmcdermott927 and Toy4lov3rs even spoke extensively and had further interaction off the forum. I'd feel more comfortable asking them if I can elaborate on that before doing so; That shouldn't even be necessary.

Toy4lov3rs is not my account, but I did go to high school with the owner.

If I was you, I really wouldn't push the issue as to why someone wouldn't want you on DT, unless you have an extremely good reason for the facts outlined above.

I don't feel like people should be walking on egg-shells around here when they have done nothing wrong. I don't know how to make it clearer, but I do not have a care in the world about being on DT. Nor do I understand why you're making these emboldened statements. I appreciate the suggestion, but it seems you misunderstand my intention.

I'm really truly not following you here. This sounds creepy in pretty much every scenario I can imagine. You can get dumped by a girlfriend/boyfriend or get fired from a job without an explanation and you'd have to move on. Or would you then go on to post revenge porn or bad online reviews in retaliation?

I don't know what kind of person one must be for a significant-other to leave you without explanation and this to be considered normal behavior. I've been let go from one job and they provided me with an explanation; the company lost a lot of clients and 80% of their workforce.

Now I'm the one not following you, so maybe we're just missing each other on this. I don't see the analogy between posting revenge porn and seeking an explanation on a course of self-improvement.

If I was fired from a workplace without reason I would certainly let my friends know not to apply there without acknowledging that and let my friends that work there know that they should seek alternative streams of income before they get the unexpected boot.

Maybe the bolded part is the problem, i.e. your assumption that this is against you. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't.

I'm not assuming it is against me, which is why I haven't drawn any conclusions without hearing from these users directly. Again, we are talking about principles and concepts, not my own personal feelings about my situation. This is another benign situation that I am unconcerned about. Assuming I'd like to provide disincentive to discourage unexplained simultaneous movement within the trust-network; what options are there outside an exclusion of those users?
legendary
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January 14, 2019, 05:09:47 PM
If someone could linkify the usernames (forgot who did it last time... Leo?) that'd be great.
Just had a power cut. I'll do it once I'm back up and running.
legendary
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January 14, 2019, 04:32:34 PM
Absence of explanation is not absence of reason.

I understand and mentioned exactly that. I am giving them the benefit of the doubt and assuming they have a good reason for excluding me. I cannot carry this assumption forever without justification, however.

I'm really truly not following you here. This sounds creepy in pretty much every scenario I can imagine. You can get dumped by a girlfriend/boyfriend or get fired from a job without an explanation and you'd have to move on. Or would you then go on to post revenge porn or bad online reviews in retaliation?

I'm not exactly sure what about that is cringe or unnecessary. I cannot just assume that an unexplained exclusion is justified, especially when I am involved and it is against me. That would be self-defeating and foolish, that circular logic would be the definition of submission. If you explain why you dislike or distrust me, then I am able to assess that information to either implement or contend that information. Without that I am taking guesses and seems foolish to bow my head while I get kicked.

Maybe the bolded part is the problem, i.e. your assumption that this is against you. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Maybe it's what MadZ said.



There are a lot[\b] of people that have no business being on DT2. A decent amount of people are on DT1 that should be there either.

I predict we Will see much more curruption and those with power will continue to get away with stealing from others, extorting others, and similar.

Oh the irony oozing all over your puppet strings.



Agree with that. So many new face on DT network. I think it would be better if make it on new thread. So many argument on going here. Perhaps we will loss it. Or give me permission to use your quote and post on reputation or meta if you are busy. I think you can do it shortly. Especially it's important for community to know who have added new on DT network.

I don't think there is a need for any more threads. coinlocket$ already has a DT thread or two. Besides the list is changing quickly. If someone could linkify the usernames (forgot who did it last time... Leo?) that'd be great.
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