Topic: DefaultTrust changes - page 112. (Read 85615 times)

Thanks for the explanation, glad this misunderstanding has been cleared up. I'm sure you can see what it looks like to others.

Anyway, seems your friend is a bit of an account trader then. It appears the current owner of Toy4lov3rs lives in India! Imagine that  

Funnily enough, it looks like he actually found the forums a year before you and couldn't figure out how to make his own wallet for 3 years. I don't think anyone can be that clueless, so I'm guess he bought the account too. In any event, whoever created it/sold it to him had posted a bunch of wallet addresses prior to 2016, so I don't really see why he'd ask you to create one for him if he was the original owner.

How he went about buying a bitcointalk account without a Bitcoin wallet, I don't know, but hats off to him for the ingenuity!



Fair enough, my intention was only to give you what I perceived to be the most likely explanation, since it seems you want one. Whether the claims are true or not, I hope you can see how they have some merit.

Oh now it makes sense why I got this:


But he saw this:



fallaga1 (Nabil Harabi) is Scammer Here - Becareful about this cheater

In the next few weeks we will see many "Hi sir"

Oh jeez, I'm an idiot today, thank you ... I Forgot I played around with scripts a bit the other day and left it turned on..

It must be you. I'm not seeing that.

Is it just me or is everything defaulting to ;dt on urls? For example, I get an error on editing my watchlist because of it...

As requested. I've included a link to each user's trust page in default trust (;dt) view.


Meni Rosenfeld - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/meni-rosenfeld-5776 - Trust
Raoul Duke - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/raoul-duke-9477 - Trust
Adriano - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/adriano-112568 - Trust
dbshck - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dbshck-153634 - Trust
shorena - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/shorena-181801 - Trust
franckuestein - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/franckuestein-225121 - Trust
OmegaStarScream - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/omegastarscream-375981 - Trust
rickbig41 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mr-big-553678 - Trust
Barcode_ - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/barcode-779106 - Trust
Anon11073 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/anon11073-969327 - Trust
Halab - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/halab-1053119 - Trust
Xal0lex - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/xal0lex-1068464 - Trust
chimk - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/chimk-1202061 - Trust
Gavin Andresen - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/gavin-andresen-224 - Trust
midnightmagic - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/midnightmagic-2759 - Trust
Pieter Wuille - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/pieter-wuille-2786 - Trust
Vladimir - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vladimir-3380 - Trust
Matt Corallo - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/matt-corallo-4528 - Trust
forrestv - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/forrestv-6447 - Trust
SgtSpike - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/sgtspike-10502 - Trust
CydeWeys - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cydeweys-12459 - Trust
SolarSilver - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/solarsilver-16248 - Trust
gwillen - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/gwillen-22698 - Trust
JoelKatz - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/joelkatz-27870 - Trust
Anduck - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/anduck-31931 - Trust
ssateneth - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ssateneth-33107 - Trust
risho - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/risho-34894 - Trust
rdponticelli - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/rdponticelli-37502 - Trust
mrkent - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mrkent-43172 - Trust
ninjarobot - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ninjarobot-44673 - Trust
Entropy-uc - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/entropy-uc-58711 - Trust
Carlton Banks - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/carlton-banks-64205 - Trust
Minor Miner - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/minor-miner-86948 - Trust
fluffypony - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/fluffypony-94840 - Trust
waldohoover - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/waldohoover-101143 - Trust
Lauda - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lauda-101872 - Trust
pmorici - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/pmorici-107601 - Trust
frankenmint - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/frankenmint-130175 - Trust
yakuza699 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/yakuza699-136722 - Trust
alp - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/alp-139027 - Trust
IdiotCoder - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/idiotcoder-932936 - Trust
Ente - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ente-21577 - Trust
zefir - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zefir-23248 - Trust
kneim - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kneim-43064 - Trust
fhh - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/fhh-56886 - Trust
Kushedout - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kushedout-104052 - Trust
vanycon - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vanycon-116602 - Trust
Carra23 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/carra23-122354 - Trust
ndnh - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ndnh-146601 - Trust
crunck - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/crunck-307195 - Trust
chronicsky - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/chronicsky-353680 - Trust
MrLehmann - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mrlehmann-533570 - Trust
AltcoinSteps - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/altcoinsteps-547382 - Trust
greenplastic - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/greenplastic-160943 - Trust
owlcatz - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/owlcatz-313016 - Trust
JohnUser - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/johnuser-319562 - Trust
Lafu - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lafu-805820 - Trust
xtraelv - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/xtraelv-897509 - Trust
krogothmanhattan - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/krogothmanhattan-1000199 - Trust
coinlocket$ - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/coinlocket-1339716 - Trust
asche - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/asche-1580039 - Trust
Coolcryptovator - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/the-cryptovator-1980983 - Trust
1miau - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/1miau-2143453 - Trust
ICOEthics - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/icoethics-2204241 - Trust
squall1066 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/squall1066-55503 - Trust
TMAN - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/tman-98986 - Trust
shdvb - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/shdvb-318030 - Trust
Isildur (official) - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/isildur-official-545598 - Trust
Jet Cash - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/jet-cash-698159 - Trust
condoras - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/condoras-740502 - Trust
iasenko - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/thebeardedbaby-1291828 - Trust
PsychoticBoy - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/psychoticboy-54752 - Trust
Otoh - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/otoh-20300 - Trust
iron77 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/iron77-33192 - Trust
TheNewAnon135246 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/thenewanon135246-153656 - Trust
romanornr - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/romanornr-225292 - Trust
Zepher - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zepher-369879 - Trust
Eodguy149 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/eodguy149-524681 - Trust
Luke-Jr - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/luke-jr-3318 - Trust
tysat - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/tysat-17261 - Trust
tmfp - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/tmfp-351569 - Trust
vizique - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vizique-120837 - Trust
yogg - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/yogg-140827 - Trust
wheelz1200 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/wheelz1200-279158 - Trust
achow101 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/achow101-290195 - Trust
dazedfool - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dazedfool-327499 - Trust
ezeminer - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ezeminer-396526 - Trust
Gunthar - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/gunthar-817682 - Trust
nullius - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/nullius-976210 - Trust
rusbitcoinuser - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/rusbitcoinuser-1026500 - Trust
Alex_Sr - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/alexsr-1762404 - Trust
dArkjON - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/darkjon-132212 - Trust
anonymousminer - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/anonymousminer-1668017 - Trust
tyrion70 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/tyrion70-103907 - Trust
djjacket - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/djjacket-131351 - Trust
Lesbian Cow - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lesbian-cow-206143 - Trust
BitcoinPenny - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bitcoinpenny-352429 - Trust
Novun - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/novun-1007555 - Trust
buckrogers - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/buckrogers-189967 - Trust
polymerbit - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/polymerbit-811213 - Trust
Hox - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hox-378327 - Trust
Xprim777 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/xprim777-383795 - Trust
ChiBitCTy - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/chibitcty-904524 - Trust
Kryptowerk - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kryptowerk-949248 - Trust
F2b - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/f2b-1120609 - Trust
TomCrypto - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/tomcrypto-1227753 - Trust
Astro - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/astro-3480 - Trust
Pistachio - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/pistachio-47306 - Trust
BG4 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bg4-74263 - Trust
miffman - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/miffman-83038 - Trust
Hiroaki - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hiroaki-103005 - Trust
Ticked - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ticked-129764 - Trust
bittawm - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bittawm-144811 - Trust
Poloherb - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/poloherb-158058 - Trust
hybridsole - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hybridsole-158444 - Trust
AT101ET - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/at101et-170557 - Trust
Kialara - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kialara-364237 - Trust
digicoinuser - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/digicoinuser-402550 - Trust
tothemoonsands - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/tothemoonsands-504780 - Trust
m4nki - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/m4nki-506922 - Trust
zekoroger - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zekoroger-533761 - Trust
Fattcatt - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/fattcatt-906410 - Trust
RealHummer - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/realhummer-1059684 - Trust
dolphriends - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dolphriends-1099535 - Trust
bavicrypto - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bavicrypto-1137750 - Trust
Spazzer - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/spazzer-1143728 - Trust
minifrij - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/minifrij-138940 - Trust
ranochigo - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ranochigo-334898 - Trust
sandy-is-fine - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/sandy-is-fine-400366 - Trust
comit - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/comit-917493 - Trust
jimmothy - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/jimmothy-137510 - Trust
whywefight - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/whywefight-289686 - Trust
SFR10 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/sfr10-521899 - Trust
bones261 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bones261-452769 - Trust
eddie13 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/eddie13-580327 - Trust
HCP - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hcp-867786 - Trust
o_e_l_e_o - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/oeleo-1188543 - Trust
morvillz7z - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/morvillz7z-1825672 - Trust
mikeywith - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mikeywith-2033515 - Trust
kingscrown - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kingscrown-169448 - Trust
TommyBitcoin - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/tommybitcoin-802035 - Trust
guigui371 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/guigui371-207818 - Trust
LeGaulois - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/legaulois-507856 - Trust
Saint-loup - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/saint-loup-975910 - Trust
Aerys2 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/aerys2-991046 - Trust
Tramirostronix - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/tramirostronix-1134568 - Trust
Shitcointalk - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/shitcointalk-1342019 - Trust
Lincoln6Echo - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lincoln6echo-29642 - Trust
dozerz - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dozerz-65034 - Trust
klaaas - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/klaaas-147451 - Trust
teeGUMES - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/teegumes-307884 - Trust
micromen - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/micromen-407892 - Trust
Vaporware - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vaporware-511342 - Trust
phishead - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/phishead-547991 - Trust
Corrosive - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/corrosive-2005913 - Trust
BTCcollector19 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/btccollector19-2434125 - Trust
Elwar - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/elwar-554 - Trust
gentlemand - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/gentlemand-155345 - Trust
Avirunes - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/avirunes-175302 - Trust
freemind1 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/freemind1-199420 - Trust
JayJuanGee - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/jayjuangee-252510 - Trust
nutildah - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/nutildah-317618 - Trust
Patatas - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/patatas-385855 - Trust
bL4nkcode - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bl4nkcode-765632 - Trust
Slow death - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/slow-death-783422 - Trust
DebitMe - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/debitme-73438 - Trust
hephaist0s - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hephaist0s-80081 - Trust
saveawedge - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/saveawedge-87951 - Trust
TheBanksLife - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/thebankslife-138002 - Trust
start the art - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/start-the-art-162183 - Trust
montreal - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/montreal-180162 - Trust
gocoins - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/gocoins-201486 - Trust
elianite - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/elianite-231497 - Trust
DaveF - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/davef-300014 - Trust
Fortify - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/fortify-339270 - Trust
WOLTAN78 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/woltan78-369186 - Trust
aacoins - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/aacoins-378343 - Trust
TheAnalogKid - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/theanalogkid-430758 - Trust
BitcoinNewsMagazine - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bitcoinnewsmagazine-503947 - Trust
Chris! - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/chris-662129 - Trust
cryptoheadd - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cryptoheadd-795961 - Trust
Branduardi - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/branduardi-859806 - Trust
A-10 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/a-10-903565 - Trust
welshcollectibles - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/welshcollectibles-991075 - Trust
ZipReg - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zipreg-1239916 - Trust
examplens - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/examplens-314792 - Trust
raymond541 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/raymond541-808354 - Trust
xhomerx10 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/xhomerx10-120694 - Trust
AdolfinWolf - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/adolfinwolf-877396 - Trust
Foxpup - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/foxpup-55384 - Trust
jackg - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/jackg-543626 - Trust
Helana - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/helana-2359691 - Trust
ocminer - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ocminer-43526 - Trust
btct22 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ocminer-43526 - Trust
unick - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/unick-144671 - Trust
audiotopix - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/audiotopix-170839 - Trust
Bigjohnson124 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bigjohnson124-185728 - Trust
HCLivess - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hclivess-188453 - Trust
Buchi-88 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/buchi-88-204821 - Trust
VonSpass - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vonspass-219067 - Trust
TripleHeXXX - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/triplehexxx-226346 - Trust
mxhwr - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mxhwr-235528 - Trust
pazor_true - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/pazortrue-263246 - Trust
jstefanop - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/jstefanop-324365 - Trust
seoincorporation - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/seoincorporation-334783 - Trust
Spidersbox - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/spidersbox-374905 - Trust
o_solo_miner - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/osolominer-395806 - Trust
cyberbully - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cyberbully-539192 - Trust
zoose - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zoose-543831 - Trust
Hardstyles - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hardstyles-820393 - Trust
sigma2543 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/sigma2543-831007 - Trust
DJ1554 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dj1554-875141 - Trust
Nivir - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/nivir-893705 - Trust
paramind22 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/paramind22-898713 - Trust
desertboy10 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/desertboy10-1029297 - Trust
MySeriousFaceIsOn - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/myseriousfaceison-1033523 - Trust
Silent26 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/silent26-1091163 - Trust
saga-crypto - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/saga-crypto-1116811 - Trust
zeki555 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zeki555-1392550 - Trust
mole0815 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mole0815-1424178 - Trust
CDMcoin - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cdmcoin-2152197 - Trust
Rumhurius - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/rumhurius-316540 - Trust
waya - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/waya-494630 - Trust
gost111 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/gost111-566884 - Trust
theyoungmillionaire - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/theyoungmillionaire-1180530 - Trust
taikuri13 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/taikuri13-1855828 - Trust
baba0000000000 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/baba0000000000-1056600 - Trust
Hellmouth42 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hellmouth42-1776636 - Trust
babo - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/babo-65636 - Trust
Micio - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/micio-115423 - Trust
arulbero - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/arulbero-170072 - Trust
Piggy - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/piggy-188198 - Trust
redsn0w - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/redsn0w-211419 - Trust
duesoldi - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/duesoldi-937020 - Trust
Maggiordomo - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/maggiordomo-2340148 - Trust
gerdab - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/gerdab-262072 - Trust
Theb - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/theb-898928 - Trust
lovesmayfamilis - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lovesmayfamilis-1982152 - Trust

I understand what you're getting at more now, but I disagree with what you're saying. Without the explanation I would either continue to search for an explanation internally or close the case with the conclusion that the other person's judgement is in contradiction to my own. A more appropriate analogy would be that you distrust your ex, telling your friends of your opinion on the matter. Similar to how on the forum you would then distrust their judgement if you believe they are volatile and act without justification and therefore exclude them from your trust list.


My explanation was provided by an at-will employer; some employers go above and beyond. 



I agree and I am not convinced otherwise.


I agree, but there seemed to be a general consensus that was unchallenged so I thought I might as well throw it out there. It was starting to sound like there was only one acceptable solution and that is to not exclude those that have excluded you; as though there is no valid reason to distrust someone that is unwilling to provide an explanation for their decisions. 


Luckily inclusion is not a consideration of mine and I will not allow it to influence my actions. My concern is what is best for the community and it seems strange to allow important decisions to be made without even requesting an explanation.

The comparison is not with the explanation but with the action you would take if you don't get an explanation. Yes, it would be nice to have one, yes, it's borderline creepy to retaliate if you don't.

I've only ever had at-will employment so perhaps that example doesn't translate well to your situation - if so, ignore it.


Anybody can exclude anybody they want and they don't need to provide an explanation. Even if you're convinced otherwise - it's impossible to enforce explanations and impossible to retaliate against everyone consistently so the whole discussion is becoming kinda pointless. Do what you think is best but don't be surprised if someone interprets it as petty. Personally I think you'd be hurting your chances of a potential future inclusion if you do this.

Toy4lov3rs is one of my clueless IRL friends. The only IRL friend I know of that has an account on the forum, in fact (unfortunately). It's a shame that I feel I have to explain this. They know nothing of Bitcoin, and next to nothing about the forum. I got them to read about a dozen stickies, on a newly created account, but I don't remember the username of that account and it's probably still a 0-post newbie. They very seldom log into their account and have no interest in the forum.

They were wanting to apply for a campaign and told me they were confused. After I explained to them that they would be denied for the quality of their posts, they proceeded to use the template I provided as an example for their actual application, which had my address on it. If memory serves, I had created that address specifically while walking them through how to create an address on Core to replace the address within the "template". You call this benign situation "damning", as if there is a valid accusation somewhere in there. When in reality all that is here is Address Mismanagement and Miscommunication while walking a friend through a process.

Rmcdermott927 and Toy4lov3rs even spoke extensively and had further interaction off the forum. I'd feel more comfortable asking them if I can elaborate on that before doing so; That shouldn't even be necessary.

Toy4lov3rs is not my account, but I did go to high school with the owner.


I don't feel like people should be walking on egg-shells around here when they have done nothing wrong. I don't know how to make it clearer, but I do not have a care in the world about being on DT. Nor do I understand why you're making these emboldened statements. I appreciate the suggestion, but it seems you misunderstand my intention.


I don't know what kind of person one must be for a significant-other to leave you without explanation and this to be considered normal behavior. I've been let go from one job and they provided me with an explanation; the company lost a lot of clients and 80% of their workforce.

Now I'm the one not following you, so maybe we're just missing each other on this. I don't see the analogy between posting revenge porn and seeking an explanation on a course of self-improvement.

If I was fired from a workplace without reason I would certainly let my friends know not to apply there without acknowledging that and let my friends that work there know that they should seek alternative streams of income before they get the unexpected boot.


I'm not assuming it is against me, which is why I haven't drawn any conclusions without hearing from these users directly. Again, we are talking about principles and concepts, not my own personal feelings about my situation. This is another benign situation that I am unconcerned about. Assuming I'd like to provide disincentive to discourage unexplained simultaneous movement within the trust-network; what options are there outside an exclusion of those users?

Just had a power cut. I'll do it once I'm back up and running.

I'm really truly not following you here. This sounds creepy in pretty much every scenario I can imagine. You can get dumped by a girlfriend/boyfriend or get fired from a job without an explanation and you'd have to move on. Or would you then go on to post revenge porn or bad online reviews in retaliation?


Maybe the bolded part is the problem, i.e. your assumption that this is against you. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Maybe it's what MadZ said.

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Oh the irony oozing all over your puppet strings.

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I don't think there is a need for any more threads. coinlocket$ already has a DT thread or two. Besides the list is changing quickly. If someone could linkify the usernames (forgot who did it last time... Leo?) that'd be great.

There are a lot[\b] of people that have no business being on DT2. A decent amount of people are on DT1 that should be there either.

I predict we Will see much more curruption and those with power will continue to get away with stealing from others, extorting others, and similar.

First of all, I don't know the reason why these people have excluded you. However, if I had to guess, it probably has something to with this.

Given the fact that Toy4lov3rs used the address a year before you did, it's pretty damning.

Toy4lov3rs also happens to be SMAS blacklisted.

Assuming you didn't purchase this account (which is unlikely), you are using an alt to avoid a campaign blacklist, which most people would view as untrustworthy.

Assuming you did purchase this account, you might not be evading a ban, but you are an account trader, which is also viewed as untrustworthy.

If I was you, I really wouldn't push the issue as to why someone wouldn't want you on DT, unless you have an extremely good reason for the facts outlined above.

Agree with that. So many new face on DT network. I think it would be better if make it on new thread. So many argument on going here. Perhaps we will loss it. Or give me permission to use your quote and post on reputation or meta if you are busy. I think you can do it shortly. Especially it's important for community to know who have added new on DT network. 

I haven't taken anything personally. I haven't excluded those that have excluded me, because I am hoping, not expecting, that they will be willing to explain themselves. If I agree with their reasoning, then I can better myself or be accountable for where they see shortcomings. If I disagree with their reasoning or lack thereof, then I can place them as an exclusion and we both go on our way.


I am not concerned about my personal situation; I am discussing principles and concepts. My situation was just an example of exclusions and to discuss "retaliatory" or frivolous exclusions.


This is why the original premise was that I felt wronged by a friend. I would have never known either of these users had excluded me, if I hadn't added them already to my own list. Only to feel confused when I clearly misunderstood our relationship. I'm not hunting for exclusions, but speaking from the context of someone turning on a dime without explanation and seemingly ignoring the situation.



I understand and mentioned exactly that. I am giving them the benefit of the doubt and assuming they have a good reason for excluding me. I cannot carry this assumption forever without justification, however.


I'm not looking for drama. I sent them a discrete PM asking for an explanation, never got an explanation and still don't expect one. Again though, without an explanation I see that exclusion as something I vehemently disagree with and see no reason for. It makes me trust their inclusions, exclusions and even ratings less; as this gives me the impression they are willing to be flippant with them.


I'll pose the same question to you as I did to Lauda, then. Will another's opinion of yourself have any influence on your opinion of that individual?

I'm not exactly sure what about that is cringe or unnecessary. I cannot just assume that an unexplained exclusion is justified, especially when I am involved and it is against me. That would be self-defeating and foolish, that circular logic would be the definition of submission. If you explain why you dislike or distrust me, then I am able to assess that information to either implement or contend that information. Without that I am taking guesses and seems foolish to bow my head while I get kicked.

Regardless, I haven't added any "retaliatory" exclusions; simply removed them from my inclusions for now.

You're taking this way too personally. Someone might think that you just need more time or something. Just imagine this from the logistics perspective - are you going to troll the whole list every day to check if someone excluded you without explanation so that you could counter-exclude them?


Absence of explanation is not absence of reason. Perhaps they didn't want to contact you to avoid this exact drama. I've never been contacted by anyone who excluded me nor would I typically contact my exclusions and I don't have any expectations in that regard. I don't think there is a general expectation in the community either.

You're free to do what you want with your list but what you're describing sounds like some cringy and unnecessary quid pro quo.

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Sorry for reposting, somehow I managed to delete my post.

Doesn't matter, needed to put that out there before trolls bring a bandwagon.

That's quite an extreme example, isn't it?

I think you are taking an trust list exclusion too personal and wrong. Just because they exclude you, that doesn't mean that they distrust you. Maybe they distrust your list, maybe they distrust your judgement (note: you can be in a relatively good relationship with someone without trusting their judgement). Besides, you shouldn't exclude all of their included users and sent ratings just because you think 1 isn't proper. Even if you strongly believe that is not right, it would be within a margin of acceptable error anyways.

This is not a logical conslusion but an emotional response.

No. Excluding someone back just for the sake of it isn't a rational response (again, it's an emotional one). Psychology is fun.

If there is basis (e.g. not outright lies, etc.) for their opinion (and in a perfect world..), no. You should try to keep it as objective as possible.

In almost all cases, the only reason for excluding someone just after you've figured out that they've excluded you is in fact retaliation. This does open a problem where user 1 might have been contemplating to exclude user 2 for some time now. However, user 1 has gotten excluded by user 2. User 1 might be afraid to react (as you've mentioned above).

Not this again. Stop including people that probably don't even know that the trust system exists. Thanks.

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This is quite a sociological phenomenon currently playing out: our internal political climate has changed overnight, from analogous with early Middles Ages Britain to 15th century Italian Renaissance, with a dash of Prisoner's Dilemma chucked in for good measure.
When BTC is $500,000 a pop, I'll be in the back of my chauffeured stretch Lambo, doing podcasts about it on the History Channel, entitled

That straw-man is not my argument.



Correct, but without one I am only able to conclude that they have done so without reason. This would lead me to distrust their ratings; how many other exclusions, inclusions or even ratings are without reason?

Then when I come to this conclusion and exclude them, the assumption would be revenge and retaliation when I am doing the only rational thing.


So you honestly believe that someone's opinion of you should hold no bearing on your opinion of them? Please correct me if I am wrong, but that sounds wild. We can argue semantics, and you very well may be right, but I am more interested in the principles.


People are going to be afraid to exclude when they are being accused of retaliation for legitimately distrusting the trust-network of another user.