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legendary
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quack
January 14, 2019, 12:58:51 PM
Beyond that, the value of DT has been diluted immensely and thus reliance upon it as a proper vector for trust isn't the most brilliant idea.

An important thing to realize here is that it never really was a good idea to rely on DT. It was just a perceived view of a trust. There were many scammers in the DT, so how trusted was it after all? So many reasons why relying on a DT was and remains to be a bad idea.
It's just more obvious now why relying on DT is a bad idea.

I think the % of scammers on DT went up dramatically with this new system, but it’s still early. I’m sure at some point things will work themselves out and this will be a positive for everyone. If not, it definitely encourages people to rely on their own lists, so mission accomplished.

My point is that this new DT perceived trustworthiness is better aligned with real trustworthiness. (Regardless of real trustworthiness being low or high).
donator
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January 14, 2019, 12:55:26 PM
Beyond that, the value of DT has been diluted immensely and thus reliance upon it as a proper vector for trust isn't the most brilliant idea.

An important thing to realize here is that it never really was a good idea to rely on DT. It was just a perceived view of a trust. There were many scammers in the DT, so how trusted was it after all? So many reasons why relying on a DT was and remains to be a bad idea.
It's just more obvious now why relying on DT is a bad idea.

I think the % of scammers on DT went up dramatically with this new system, but it’s still early. I’m sure at some point things will work themselves out and this will be a positive for everyone. If not, it definitely encourages people to rely on their own lists, so mission accomplished.
legendary
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quack
January 14, 2019, 12:53:08 PM
Beyond that, the value of DT has been diluted immensely and thus reliance upon it as a proper vector for trust isn't the most brilliant idea.

An important thing to realize here is that it never really was a good idea to rely on DT. It was just a perceived view of a trust, not too well aligned with reality. There had been many scammers in the DT, so how trustable was it after all? So many reasons why relying solely on DT was and remains to be a bad idea.
It's just more obvious now why relying on DT is a bad idea, but DT still has use cases due to this forums nature of e.g. not moderating scams.

Edit: reworded etc.
copper member
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Spear the bees
January 14, 2019, 12:48:00 PM
It's a good thing that there are way more DT members. This incentivizes users to properly develop their own trust list rather than stumbling on a path of lunacy as we have scores of users sloshing about the feedback sewers. Beyond that, the value of DT has been diluted immensely and thus reliance upon it as a proper vector for trust isn't the most brilliant idea.
legendary
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January 14, 2019, 12:39:18 PM
Am I understanding the 'random subset of 100 users' statement correctly?... that we will ultimately end up with a DT1 list of 100, before exclusions, when more people fall into the criteria?
I think so? Theymos needs to add some of the newer vital information into the first post.

Whelp. Looks like I'm on DT2 now. Does that mean all the merit beggars I negged for shadily propositioning me (and failing at it) are going to be out for my blood? (And also cryptohunter, who can't seem to stop chasing my tail for some reason, and who is no doubt going to somehow integrate this new development into the existing foxhole butt-sniffing pussy-petting conspiracy/orgy that I could never keep track of.)
That is correct. Welcome to the club. Actually, I will probably recruit you into the Cult of Lauda too. Wink
legendary
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January 14, 2019, 12:38:04 PM
Whelp. Looks like I'm on DT2 now. Does that mean all the merit beggars I negged for shadily propositioning me (and failing at it) are going to be out for my blood? (And also cryptohunter, who can't seem to stop chasing my tail for some reason, and who is no doubt going to somehow integrate this new development into the existing foxhole butt-sniffing pussy-petting conspiracy/orgy that I could never keep track of.)

Guess this is my life now: youtube.com/watch?v=316AzLYfAzw Undecided
legendary
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January 14, 2019, 12:33:49 PM
Am I understanding the 'random subset of 100 users' statement correctly?... that we will ultimately end up with a DT1 list of 100, before exclusions, when more people fall into the criteria?
legendary
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January 14, 2019, 12:31:13 PM
Just got more then what I expected. Surprised to see my name on DT1 final list. I will revise my custom list once again. I believe no one will misuse his/her feedback from my custom list. Almost them was DT2 from beginning except few. And obviously I will exclude from my trust list if I found any valid accusation against any of them.

I will try my best to prevent scam/abuse like I am doing from beginning. Since I am really very new on trust network especially on DT1, I am expecting all old and seniors DT will help me always same like before. Thanks to theymos and who have voted me for DT1. And I think this is the opportunity to prove myself and help reduce scam/abuse from forum.  

Congrats.. to all whoever on DT1 list. Let's work together to make a decent forum.  

Edit:
Just remember now one suggestion. I believe its applicable for all DT network.
My suggestion is for OP to grow a thicker skin about these things. 
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January 14, 2019, 12:29:43 PM
@tmfp
I can "trust" a DT1 because I think he has good judgment but not his buddies added just for fun.
I can trust a user for money but that doesn't stop me from thinking that his judgment is borderline.
@Lauda @Dmrdmr
thanks a lot
legendary
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January 14, 2019, 12:12:45 PM
<...> Where I can find the old list of the DT1/2 now?
I think coinlocket$'s older version of DT contains that. See Is the Default trust system still working/active?. It was created on the 5th of December 2018, so that should be the old version.
legendary
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"Common rogue from Russia with a bare ass."
January 14, 2019, 12:11:54 PM
Not only the DT2 is too large but not any more so relevant for something "to trust", let's be honest. Take a look at the list and tell me then how many users do you trust?

DT2 members are there because they are trusted by DT1 member(s).
DT1 members are there because they are trusted by others.
If you trust a DT1 member's judgement, why shouldn't that trust extend to those that he/she in turn trusts (unless specifics indicate otherwise) whether you personally know them or not?

legendary
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January 14, 2019, 12:10:20 PM
Yes that's was the case, but it happened rarely. Where I can find the old list of the DT1/2 now?
This is the old list (i.e. the list from a few days ago, not from the old system). This just contains the new members from the new system.

New members of DT2, who were not in the "old" DT2 or DT1. No user ID on the trust page, so I couldn't create profile links, sorry. Please review and make adjustments if needed. This is based on coinlocket$'s snapshot of the old system vs the current DT2 list as of a few minutes ago. Things change quickly so feel free to yell at me if something is wrong.
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legendary
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January 14, 2019, 12:09:11 PM
The main reason that I went for this solution rather than forcing custom lists is that I would like to show some trust indicator to guests. But before doing that, I want to see whether these modifications can actually be made to work. If not, then I may go to the force-custom-lists solution, and that's incompatible with guests seeing any trust indicators.
What about showing trust in local boards? Especially those containing sections that have a link to the marketplace "Altcoin ANN, services, mining,...etc."


Have all members "added to the DT trust list" been warned to review their ratings? There are many positive or negative feedbacks without citing sources
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January 14, 2019, 12:06:42 PM
Not only the DT2 is too large but not any more so relevant for something "to trust", let's be honest. Take a look at the list and tell me then how many users do you trust? 2-3? I know you will say to add the ~ but it's not funny if everytime week I have to check the DT list
Need someone to compile old vs. new DT2 list again to make it easier. Plus it isn't a weekly rotation anymore and the changes should be less drastic moving forward.

Also, some people can be red tagged today, green tomorrow, red again and so on.
This was always the case.

(sorry, you were fast to reply)

Yes that's was the case, but it happened rarely. Where I can find the old list of the DT1/2 now?
legendary
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January 14, 2019, 12:05:32 PM
What’s the criteria to be in DT2?

I think I have only 1 person with 250+ earned Merit ‘trusting’ me?
None other than a net positive number of inclusions by DT1 members. Those merit criteria are for DT1 only.

Thanks Lauda.
legendary
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January 14, 2019, 12:01:48 PM
What’s the criteria to be in DT2?

I think I have only 1 person with 250+ earned Merit ‘trusting’ me?
None other than a net positive number of inclusions by DT1 members. Those merit criteria are for DT1 only.
legendary
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January 14, 2019, 12:01:07 PM
What’s the criteria to be in DT2?

I think I have only 1 person with 250+ earned Merit ‘trusting’ me?
legendary
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MY RED TRUST LEFT BY SCUMBAGS - READ MY SIG
January 14, 2019, 11:58:14 AM


Also, some people can be red tagged today, green tomorrow, red again and so on.
This was always the case.

Well exactly like you for instance red tagged for being untrustworthy before , now somehow off the hook and not only trustworthy again but deciding on who is trustworthy... sounds like a fun system that people can place a lot of faith in.

legendary
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Terminated.
January 14, 2019, 11:56:34 AM
Not only the DT2 is too large but not any more so relevant for something "to trust", let's be honest. Take a look at the list and tell me then how many users do you trust? 2-3? I know you will say to add the ~ but it's not funny if everytime week I have to check the DT list
Need someone to compile old vs. new DT2 list again to make it easier. Plus it isn't a weekly rotation anymore and the changes should be less drastic moving forward.

Also, some people can be red tagged today, green tomorrow, red again and so on.
This was always the case.
legendary
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MY RED TRUST LEFT BY SCUMBAGS - READ MY SIG
January 14, 2019, 11:55:42 AM
~snip~

get back on the meds, leave the grown ups to talk

xxxx love ya sweet cheeks xxxx

Disprove anything my post says.. I will not be silence by you.

This is a forum.  I will reserve the right to produce evidence that supports my view. If you do not like it slap me some more red trust. It is the fuel upon which I run. Mr trustworthy poster boy for DT1  haha
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