Topic: DeOS (by Razormind) is most likely a scam! EDIT: Ongoing investigation!!! - page 24. (Read 66953 times)

Ok, I've gone through the whole recording and Jawad basically spends the entire time after instructing Ish to tell Nick from Vanbex to go fuck himself about his 3btc crowdsale investment, complaining about Ish having gone away for two weeks without telling him and repeatedly slagging Vanbex off for "fucking us over".

Ish, why does he feel Vanbex screwed him over?

Because I bet this article of theirs http://www.econotimes.com/Razorminds-DeOS-Crowdsale-Raises-US-$19M-in-Bitcoin-241414 helped him collect a lot more than the six thousand dollars they were being paid.

This:
JAWAD 38:55 : "I have literally got millions of pounds, more money than I have ever had in my entire life. [sound abruptly cuts at this point to Jawad then talking about how Ishmail wasn't around when he needed to get advice from him]"

Pretty much is what we suspected all along, that Jawad considers that 'crowdsale' (ICO) money as his.

Also, going back to the beginning of the call, at 4:50 Ish ask if Phil (Sturgeon) is going to be coming into the office and Jawad answers in a somewhat dismissive way, "Yes, he will, so will [Adams?] and all the others. . .just . . ." but then redirects the focus to something he's doing on his desktop, "Let me just check this thing, tokens are going out . . ."

It is almost as though he doesn't want the topic of the discussion to remain on the issue of Phil and others coming into 'the office'. Listen for yourself, you'll see what I mean.


Correct, this bullshit 'it was a crowdsale not an ICO' excuse doesn't cover for the fact that people would have bought into this 'crowdsale' under the impression that Razormind was a substantial operation with hundreds of staff and offices all over the world and that DeOS was already a legitimate platform with 27,000 active users. As he intended through his intentionally fraudulent website and interviews.

That it netted him several million dollars in bitcoin elevates it to an SFO-level response at the very least.

It's a scam pure and simple and Jawad
Is trying to launder the proceeds before
He is apprehended.

Read the email below he sent that many of
You have read.


It's almost time to get your Tokens.
Thank you for your response to Tuesday's update - we've now got most of the outstanding participants on the send list for tomorrow.

For those who haven't sent us both the BTC Address for token delivery and the txid to confirm we ask you to please do so before 12 noon GMT tomorrow.

If you can't make that then please email us within one week and we'll take your details and send out the tokens that way.


The Tokens
We're pleased to announce the issuance of DeOS Tokens using the Omni Layer protocol, which we chose because we judged the underlying technology to be the most reliable and easiest to use. The crowdsale operated through issuing individual addresses for each participant, which were verified and confirmed by teams who had no access to the funds. The Omni Layer Foundation was not involved in that process, the statement made in July 2016 about them providing verification services to the fundraise was withdrawn by Razormind after they clarified they don’t offer such services, but we were unable (see below) to retract the statement in print across multiple media channel at the time.

Razormind is using the funds raised to expand our in-house team of talented developers and we are on track to deliver the roadmap promised during the crowdsale. Using the Bitcoin blockchain as the native currency for DeOS has proven a great model, and we look forward to delivering decentralized application infrastructure that builds on the Bitcoin ecosystem.

DeOS Tokens and links to wallets will be delivered tomorrow to you.
 

Our Crappy Communications


We want to apologize first and foremost for the lack of updates and the general rubbishness of our communications. Ismail Malik was expelled from the DeOS project earlier this week for that reason.

His departure sent a wave of relief throughout the team even though he was squatting on the deos domain.

So, in short we've moved domains and will confirm the new url to access the upgraded DeOS Demo on Monday. We'll also try to build out new community arenas for you - please let us know if you prefer slack, or a facebook page etc. If you have any queries please email - pr (at) razormind (dot)(co)(uk).
 
DeOS Platform release set for 10th October Version 1 of the DeOS platform will be available on 10.10.2016. You'll be able to spend your tokens to register smart assets, and identities and lookup those on the blockchain. Spent DeOS Tokens will be available for re-purchase directly from the platform, and the revenue will go to the DeOS Foundation for ensuring the platform stays in public hands.



In Belfast 2 BTMs are on order and due for delivery the week before the launch. A total of 10 are in line for Belfast which will become Razormind's European HQ, and another 10 for Paris, as we intend to launch DeOS based banking in 2017 in those cities.

We're on track to deliver, and now that we're moving to a new leader for our communications we will try to update you daily on our progress.

Kind Regards

DeOS Team


The pivot towards BTMs bitcoin ATM
Since by whose consent and when did
The funders, to the ICO agree to pivot
the project to pay for Razormind owned
Bitcoin Cash machines, this amounts to
Money laundering and several other offences
as it is obviously clear from the haste to
acquire the BTMs that he wishes to launder
The ICO funds into cash and not into a
traceable bank accounts.

As is obvious and will become apparent
as further information comes to light
the net has closed around Jawad and
not long from now an Europol or Interpol
Arrest warrant will be issued.

To prospect for funds under a false premise
And then attempt to launder those proceeds
through cash are serious offences and as
it amounts to several million USD in value
It is likely to be dealt with by the Serious Fraud Office.

As many who have listened to the recordings Jawad
Operates a criminal network through intimidation
and threats.

As those around him who have received any of the
The fraudulently obtained funds start to get cold
feet it's like more information will be leaked.

The arrest is likely to come on or around the 10th of October

The reason will be simple as most folk access the missold
Platform and realise they have been frauded the tokens
will be useless and attention will turn to reporting the fraud.

Let's hope Jawad does not slip UK border control and the amount
of funds he manages to launder through the BTMs no questions
asked exchanges and agents in Ukraine posing as dev teams, can be
Minimised.

As it's also a Tax crime his chances or apprehension by HMRC
Inspectors is also very likely.

The criminal career of Jawad and his initimidation is coming to
It's final chapter.

While I agree with the need to focus on the scam aspect of this, I'm British, I know a Northern Ireland accent and I know he uses the vernacular, "feckin" instead of "fucking", as many Irish people do. He did not say "Black and white people. . ." he absolutely did say "Feckin' white people. . ."

cryptodevil: let's not go down that path, please. Jawad clearly says "black & white people" in the recording, referring to people who can't take a risk/buy into something unproven. Also, I wouldn't know of any Muslims of his skin color who would call non-Muslims "white people". This is neither a black vs. white nor a Muslims vs. the rest of the world thing. Just very likely a scam. Let's talk about that.

astmandu: The tokens are being issued on Omnilayer. You can go to https://www.omniwallet.org and enter the Bitcoin address that you used in the crowd-sale there. Even without logging in, you should be able to see whether there are DeOS tokens on that address. If you want to access the tokens, create a wallet and once you've done that, import the private key from the address you used in the crowd-sale into that wallet.

I wouldn't get my hopes up too much. Issuing a token on Omnilayer doesn't take more than a few minutes and even that process was weird: I have been asked to send the Bitcoin address to them again even though they had themselves confirmed that address previously. Also, in the audio recording, Jawad is talking about issuing the tokens on Counterparty, but he now issued them on Omnilayer. Very shady.

Working my way through now.

https://clyp.it/h1nan1uz

Some observations from the first few minutes are:

Jawad appears to be making some excuse about why the company is registered to a residential house, mumbling something about not wanting people to come and knock on the door, his mother who has cancer and his father a heart condition. Is he saying they live at 55 Clive Road or that they live somewhere else and that he didn't want to use their address? Can't quite make out the point he is making.

It is still a fact that a multi-national global corporation, as he fraudulently painted Razormind to be for the purposes of this ICO, shouldn't even have a residential address for a registered office. That seems to be being ignored entirely by him.

He mentions the BTMs being ordered, clearly an important part of his plan, and comments about a Level39 podcast being arranged but I can't find any mention of Razormind or DEOS on Level39's twitter.

THEN, and this is the weird part, at 3:38 he claims to have done a presentation for BP where they wanted to spend 3K for the whole project and he gives some smacktalk about how he'd take 3K upfront now from them but they aren't getting the whole project for 3K, before commenting around 3:55, "Feckin white people, do you know what I mean?".

So it sounds like he is just talking about some unrelated freelance work he's been trying to line up.

Well, that and also proving he's a fucking racist asshole who clearly feels secure in being openly racist about 'feckin white people' to another Muslim.

Thanks for posting this. Very positive news to see that DEOS are actually out there and being sent out.  I don't see anything in my wallet. 

Can you tell me what wallet you are using?  I've never been on a token issuance like this.  I use blockchain.info for my btc wallet.  What will I see when DEOS are sent to my address?  Or how do I claim them?

I listened to the audio clip.  My honest impression now is that I'm left feeling even more confused about what the hell is going on.  Ish did indeed do some work with the crowdsale, and it sounds like there are others involved too.  So that makes me think there was actually a coordinated effort to have a purpose around something such as DEOS.  He talked about wanting to make Ish partner/VP, and that he disappeared for 2 weeks, which he was quite upset about because he needed the help. 

There is just a lot going on.  Some of it is personal relating to Ish's friendship with Nick, who invested 3 BTC into DEOS.  Nick has/had a relationship with Vantex and apparently Jawad believes strongly that Vantex screwed them over, and owes more than what the 3 BTC represents, and so he doesn't think Nick should get the DEOS.  Lots of emotions tied to this, for Ish and Jawad.  Ish clearly wants to make Nick whole and that pisses Jawad off.

Jawad sounds like a tough businessman who always feels he is on firm ground for his beliefs.  I think Ish started the conversation with the aim of reaching a predetermined outcome, whereas Jawad was trying to move forward with Ish repeatedly, to put him on salary at the end of it even, but Ish was resolved not to find a amicable way forward.  It is a employer/employee drama mostly.  It makes me believe there is something actually around Razormind, Ish even worked on the crowdsale...it would be good to know what his role was. 

Jawad cracked me up when he was telling Ish how to tell people to go F themselves, then he talked about a how a guy was holding his dick against a fan blade...lol. 

I would have gotten frustrated as a boss if I was having this conversation.  I don't get the feeling that this was a master scheme in the way that I was feeling before.  There are people involved, Vantex looks like a legit company...has worked with Factom and such.  Without a doubt the communication about DEOS has been horrendous.  I still feel like my BTC are 50/50 gone at this stage.  We'll see.

One final thought...at 39 minutes into the audio Jawad is talking about having millions of pounds, more than anything he has had in his life.  Ish posted about this previously.  However, it sounds like the audio was edited at this point and so I'm not sure what point Jawad was trying to make when he started with that.  It makes me suspicious on Ish's part that this was done.

Jawad aka Razormind

Is currently got the BTC raised held
In several wallets some small some larger
This is all a method to make the trace
Difficult.

Has anyone had a chance to listen to the
Recording I posted.

At best it will be an "operating system" consisting of nothing but web widgets and Omni Layer.

By the way I can vouch that AskIsh is the real Mailk as I have seen him in the slack channel since before the crowdfunding and he has mentioned to us he was posting here.

But then again my word probably doesn't matter because I am "a newbie with one post" in here anyway.

I'm kinda sad for the people who dropped their money into SingularDTV. They paid for some kind of token, while we got real drama delivered almost immediately after the ICO!

The DeOS tokens started moving on Omni Layer a short time ago. Here is the issuance address:

http://omnichest.info/lookupadd.aspx?address=19fjCeiJcFQLBcWLe1MRYKGbZkm3nb7nzn

The address moved 91'658 to:

http://omnichest.info/lookupadd.aspx?address=1En1EB2CznxGstNh1uFUPARMhAtRoy3nzF

and then sent them out to the "investors" from there. I did get the tokens for the small amount that I had invested from this latter address.

Maybe they'll move the remaining tokens later, or maybe Jawad just raised roughly 91BTC in the crowd-sale? That would be much more realistic judging from the minimal media coverage that he got. There's this address with a large amount of BTC being handed around here, but the small amount that I invested still resides in the address that I sent it to. It would be kinda dumb for him to hand out individual addresses to investors and then send everything to one central address to "show off" the amount.

Pure speculation from my side: The crowd-sale numbers on the website were as false as everything else, Jawad raised roughly 91BTC. He's probably gonna buy himself a used Prius from the money. My Satoshi are lost because not a lot is going to happen from here on - the amount of money stolen was simply too small.

https://clyp.it/h1nan1uz

https://clyp.it/h1nan1uz

You'll need to ensure the full DKIM key is included so it proves the emails are legit.

If it turns out that there actually is no Jawad this would suggest a far more disturbing degree of long term planning and implementation than I originally thought. Or it could be that he really is the hopeless goon talking buzzwords and bullshit on those interviews and intends to attempt delivery of the useless minimum spec of the project he is required to contractually so he can keep the rest of the money.

Either way DeOS, the platform by Razormind, and DEOS the Omni-layer token are never, and were never, going to actually be what the investors were led to believe.

I don't know what UK laws holds but in the US it would be admissible in court. Revealing them now does nothing to the case (assuming there is one).

As you said though, now is the time to step things up or all will be lost.  Please post all that you have and let's rally the community to see how we can all help.  Let's make him feel the walls closing in on him.

Will you post it on deos.io?

Oh ok I was a little confused what all the chatter was about,

I don't mind uploading the recording and sharing emails with
Who ever would like to see them.

I must stress that Jawad is likely to make some
Excuse sick, bereavement or something that gets him time
and dissapear.

He is def not London based nor has he been.

He is UK based and some of the others running parallel investigations
Will be handing police further details.

The aim is to try to ensure funds are frozen prior to Jawad disappearing
And or exiting the UK.

Once he is gone it's all in vain as he has control of all funds.

If their ever was a time to step up the chase it's now.

As I said he feels the money is his and his alone that's why
No one else holds the multisig keys except him, plus that all
The others fo not exist or are just paid yes folk.

Can anyone advise revealing emails and or recordings can
It make them inadmissible in court?

Ish, never mind...he thinks that I could be you.  I don't know what reason that would serve. 

Since you are not apparently on bitcointalk very often it would be good for you to know that many people believe absolutely nothing that others write.  Some of this comes from experience because they have seen enough lies on here.  I don't think you should get worried about trying to prove who you are.

Can you post your emails and recordings on your deos.io website?

Also, do you believe Jawad lives in London, or Belfast, other?

Please provide any of this contact info that police investigators can use to locate him.

To prove that you are Ismail Malik?

@Spartak_t

So your saying it's no use me
Proving i'm who I say I'm.

I read a post requesting to clarify
My position which I did.

Not sure with what your wanting from me?

That's up to you. When it comes to fool other people, then yes, I am. If it was my decision I can live with it. Everybody learns from their mistakes, no?


That's 101% true. But it was my personal decision to choose this way. That is why I am a FAILer.


There could be a lot of motives, giving the fact you are just registered. I told you that I won't bother my mind with that.


I'm sorry if you really lost money on that, but hell yeah... there are a lot of things people can do by joining forces.