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Topic: DeOS (by Razormind) is most likely a scam! EDIT: Ongoing investigation!!! - page 28. (Read 66953 times)

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Where did this silly thing end up?

With all the legitimate journalists pulling their articles on DeOS when they saw the evidence that Jawad and Phil are basically bullshitting everyone about the scope of their operation and that Razormind had made numerous fraudulent claims on their website leading up to and during this 'crowdsale' of these 'tokens', which is generally an ICO by another name.

The 'sale' ends on 9th September and they'll issue the tokens one week after that, according to their twitter.
https://twitter.com/razormind
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then, anyone got coin???
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In the first place, the mug cup what Jawad show up in his interview was full of tea incrustations... such 6000BTC most likely temporal show money for his scam.

we see his face on movie interview. very interested how he plan to outrun from now.  Cool


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Changing the terms of the crowdsale while it is running is tantamount to fraud itself. They initially created such a steep and rapid decline in exchange rate being offered that it only made sense to invest in that first week before it started dropping like a stone by half each week.

They had a rush of interest in that first week from people wanting to catch the 1000 per bitcoin deal and then were clearly afraid that the drop off would cause people to think they'd missed the boat, so instead changed the terms of the sale and extended the one week limit to two.

That's unfair to those who bought in that first week thinking they'd get a good deal when suddenly there was a load of PR touting about the success of that first stage and, lo and behold, we now find there's another week at the same rate!

Absolutely criminal. No, seriously, it is actually criminal.

My theory is that they're going to throw some money at Dengo Systems to get them to stitch together some open source projects and rebrand them so they can claim delivery and leave the rest of the work to the fucking 'DeOS Foundation'. They already said weeks back that the not-an-ICO-but-a-crowdsale was going to be used to pay developers to 'improve' this DeOS before releasing it. Funny how he had already claimed in January of last year that they had 27,000 users actively using it though. You'd think it was, you know, in a usable condition then, what with him crowing about a not-insignificant number of members of the public USING it 20 months ago, so why isn't accessible to the public now?

Still, they've broken that many UK financial laws in their quest to collect investment funds (Jawad, your token fails the Howey Test big time, so it is a security no matter how much you wanted to insist you were just selling software) I can't see them getting a completely free ride out of this fraud. Give it time.

Jawad was asked in one of the interviews where the money for this 'Five Million-Euro Blockchain Bank' was coming from and was directly asked if it was being funded by the money from this ICO and he squirmed and fluffed his words as he pretended like the money was going to come from their own resources.

http://www.benzinga.com/pressreleases/16/09/p8434566/razormind-to-open-blockchain-headquarters-in-belfast-12-bitcoin-jobs
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Global computing firm Razormind has chosen to locate their European Headquarters in Belfast creating 12 jobs, 20 paid internships, a new blockchain lab, and installing 10 BitCoin ATMs over the next 12 months. The offices will be located in The Scottish Provident Building, next to City Hall. Razormind currently has European sites in London, Paris, and Munich for which the Belfast HQ will take a leading role.

Razormind doesn't have the money for this, their DeOS ICO, however, has several thousand bitcoin.

I wonder if the people who fell for this con would be happy to learn that the several thousand Bitcoin they invested aren't actually committed to the development of this DeOS software.

BTW a leading 3 in the wallet address denotes multisig, so it is possible somebody with an ounce of understanding of the seriousness of this fraud will stop the whole process until the actual facts, rather than Jawad and Phil's fevered imagination, can be established. There is still time to let the investors learn of the true state of Razormind, DeOS and how this ICO was fraudulently staged, so they can choose whether they wish to have a refund.

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Why the hell did they send the BTC?! DeOS is a proved scam... in many ways.
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Hey guys, good to see this thread.

I have a couple of friends who have been burned by the DEOS SCAM, they sent small transactions and the team answered they are not going to give them tokens because they are dust... They also stopped writing back. How odd. There was no mention of that at the beginning of the crowdfund but the page kept on changing over time where new rules applied. I hope someone here has kept copies and screenshots of the pages.

TX 1: https://blockchain.info/address/1GGRoVoQpztuEGS5pHvJiaELsr7VZfVFoL for 0.1 BTC

Tx 2: https://blockchain.info/address/12vZ6B4o5R3D5arUJUCk15ZPuxEAW8Gq8j for 0.15 BTC

So I went and traced their transactions on the blockchain and found the crowdsale money has now been moved to one address:

https://blockchain.info/address/3Q8pgRFtxbUp8wtGbtQqRNXPs1B4i6enu1

A whole 6,119.319402 BTC!!! That's crazy!

The weird thing is the address starts with 3Q and if it was a bitcoin address shouldn't it start with 1?

I run it through coinfirm.io which does taint analysis and it comes up with:

Unused Address - No History
This Bitcoin Address has no recorded Transactions


https://www.coinfirm.io/bitcoin/aml/3Q8pgRFtxbUp8wtGbtQqRNXPs1B4i6enu1

Maybe it's an address created offline? Any one with some tech knowledge that could explain this?

I think Jawad Yaqub, Ismail Malik, and Phil Sturgeon who seem to be the highest ranked people on the team will have a lot to answer.
Also I wonder if they should be declaring the funds they raised with the Inland Revenue in the UK seen that's where they are based.

The crowdsale page claims they have sold 9.2 million tokens, so I think the 6000 BTC above are not all the funds raised but a big portion of it.
If anyone with knowledge could trace even more would be awesome, merely to see where the funds end up and how they are spent or used.
I only have the 2 transactions above but there are loads more if you follow back from the final address.

http://www.razormind.co.uk/crowdsale/

I didn't lose anything because I didn't contribute so I'm not going to get involved more than I did.
However if anyone would like to take this further it will benefit the community greatly, these scammers names need to be public so that if they do anything else in the future people are aware.

Also the team page seems to have lost the rest of the team, only the executives are left... Again very odd.

http://www.razormind.co.uk/experts/

Last but not least, looks like they are reading another crowdfund called DAO.

http://www.razormind.co.uk/dao/

I mean, WTF!

I saw on the Omni Skype chat time ago that Patrick Dugan (of Omni) is holding one of the multisig signatures.

Here is a screenshot: http://i64.tinypic.com/34tblvq.png

Maybe Omni knows more about what's going on?

Please share this anywhere, Telegram, Reddit, BitcoinTalk, Twitter, Facebook, etc...
6000 BTC is a lot of money and I believe many people lost their own BTC with this.

Hope justice is made. These people need to be behind bars.
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Not only that, but few identities from the Razormind "team" were exposed and no one has come here to say something like "Hey, I am John and I am part of the Razormind team. We are legit.". If you search this forum you'll only find out "SCAAAM"! Cheesy
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Anyone aware of the DAO token page? Hehe  Cool Cool Cool


http://www.razormind.co.uk/dao/

Doesn't surprise me at all. Jawad has been desperately trying to sell this DeOS as an Ethereum competitor, so the idea of them claiming to be setting up their own DAOs on it is just more of the same.

BTW, if anyone reading this thread has actually purchased tokens in this ICO, can you vouch for having seen whether DeOS even exists as an actual platform? Outside of Jawad and Phil's imagination that is.



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Anyone aware of the DAO token page? Hehe  Cool Cool Cool


http://www.razormind.co.uk/dao/
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So what if Omni are supervising it? That doesn't mean shit to me and I don't think it gives credibility of the "project", because back in the days Omni's market cap has shrinked like 60 times in few months. Smiley
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What I'd like to know is when the OMNI Foundation, who are supposed to be supervising this, approved of this change in the exchange-rate schedule for the ICO
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CoinTelegraph: So when does the crowdsale go live Mr Yaqub?

Jawad Yaqub: The crowdsale starts on July 15th, 12:00 PM GMT. The DeOS crowdsale is supervised by the Omni Foundation. They have access to all transactional information, with their executives serving in the role of trustees for the DeOS tokens. Razormind has no access to these funds without their approval.  We are taking great care to secure and safeguard all funds for this crowdsale.

Because people would have been influenced as to the decision to invest quickly before that first week rate expired, only to subsequently discover that the rapid reduction in the rate each week wasn't going to happen.

That is uber-shady behaviour and the execs at Omni sure as shit shouldn't have approved it.

That is if this sale is even being supervised by the Omni Foundation. We are, after all, talking about a claim made by Jawad Yaqub, who has an internet history of half-truths, lies and complete fabrication.

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Your calculation didn't take into account the staged nature of the ICO.

Ah, yes, you're right. If we assume that the average price is ~583 DeOS/BTC (1000+500+250 / 3), then we are talking about 12,692 bitcoins. Cheesy
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Looks like their "crowdsale" will end in 3 days. The price is 250 DeOS / 1 BTC (i.e. 0.004 BTC/token or ~$2.42/token) and they claim that so far they raised 29,600 BTC ($17,956,840). WOW! Cheesy

Your calculation didn't take into account the staged nature of the ICO.

But, here's funny for you, when I went just now to double-check the details for the ICO I found that they originally were quoting a completely different stepped-structure ICO.

Here's what they have been saying for the past several weeks:
https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-shower-for-razormind-3000-btc-after-one-week-of-crowdsale
28th July 2016
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The price of DEOS will be 1,000 per one Bitcoin (BTC) until Friday July 29, after which it will be 500 DEOS per BTC until the final valuation change of 250 DEOS per BTC on Aug. 12.

Which means you can't properly calculate how many btc they are claiming to have raised even though they state that as of last Friday they had sold 7.4 million of them, because you don't know how many were sold at what rate.

What is amusing and ever-so representative of this entire process of lies, fabrication and simply fucking winging it is this, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, set of numbers they were originally stating at the start of the ICO:

https://cointelegraph.com/news/razormind-targets-ethereum-by-crowdfunding-deos-blockchain-on-july-15
12th July 2016 <=-- 3 days before the ICO begins
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16th July – Week 1: 1000 ÐEOS (Ð) per Bitcoin, 22nd July – Week 2: 500 Ð per Bitcoin, 29th July – Week 3: 250 Ð per Bitcoin, 5th August – Week 4: 125 Ð per Bitcoin, 12th August – Week 5: 50 Ð per Bitcoin and 19th August – Week 6: 25 Ð per Bitcoin.

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Looks like their "crowdsale" will end in 3 days. The price is 250 DeOS / 1 BTC (i.e. 0.004 BTC/token or ~$2.42/token) and they claim that so far they raised 29,600 BTC ($17,956,840). WOW! Cheesy
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forming a company, fake team members here and there from Ukraina, and nothing logically armed but they probably spreading worthless dumb coins to BTC investors before escape...  Cool

 

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Oh, FWIW:

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Razormind's LinkedIn page used to be the one for Phil Sturgeon's 'SFX Coin'

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Domain Name: SFXCOIN.COM
Registry Domain ID: 1860958169_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.meshdigital.com
Registrar URL: http://www.domainbox.com
Updated Date: 2014-05-31T00:00:00Z
Creation Date: 2014-05-31T00:00:00Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2015-05-31T00:00:00Z
Registrar: WEBFUSION LIMITED
Registrar IANA ID: 1515
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: [email protected]
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.8779770099
Reseller: 123Reg/Webfusion
Domain Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Domain Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registry Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: Phil Sturgeon
Registrant Organization: (SFX)Coin
Registrant Street: Flat 23
Registrant City: Edgware
Registrant State/Province: Edgware
Registrant Postal Code: HA8 5FB
Registrant Country: GB
Registrant Phone: +44.7717791000
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: [email protected]
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Seems like Jawad and/or Phil are keeping up with this thread's routine exposure of their long history of lies and misrepresentation.

Razormind.co.uk/Team just went from this:

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Which, as I mentioned previously, shows people who actually work for Dengo Systems in the Ukraine.

To now being removed entirely:

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Where did this silly thing end up?

With all the legitimate journalists pulling their articles on DeOS when they saw the evidence that Jawad and Phil are basically bullshitting everyone about the scope of their operation and that Razormind had made numerous fraudulent claims on their website leading up to and during this 'crowdsale' of these 'tokens', which is generally an ICO by another name.

The 'sale' ends on 9th September and they'll issue the tokens one week after that, according to their twitter.
https://twitter.com/razormind
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Where did this silly thing end up?
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found this. what Jawad Yaqub wants to do with it???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5j9OyZT5hw


It's from 2013. He seems to have paid for a bunch of 'Fiverr' clips over time which were just generic name-checks of Razormind he was probably planning on using once he'd figured out what the fuck he was going to do with it.

Quote from: Companies House
    RAZORMIND LIMITED
    NI636534 - Incorporated on 19 February 2016
    55 Clive Road, Holywood, County Down, United Kingdom, BT18 9RE

    RAZORMIND LTD
    08097903 - Dissolved on 21 January 2014
    7 Drayfields, Droylsden, Manchester, Greater Manchester, England, M43 7ET

    RAZORMIND LTD
    07108136 - Dissolved on 2 August 2011
    14 Victoria Park Road, Apartment 3, Leicester, United Kingdom, LE2 1XB

    RAZORMIND NETWORK LTD
    09005214 - Dissolved on 1 December 2015
    Suit 34 67-68 Hatton Garden, London, England, EC1N 8JY

Trouble is, he's great at getting the company incorporated, not so keen on filing any of the required forms after that point, which leads to them just being struck off the register. So he goes and incorporates anew a few months later.
Quote from: Companies House
Date                    Description
02 Aug 2011    Final Gazette dissolved via compulsory strike-off    

19 Apr 2011    First Gazette notice for compulsory strike-off    

18 Dec 2009    Incorporation


BTW, I'm still working on verifying some information in relation to the astro-turfed staff bios but the general setup appears to be that he is using profiles of people who work for a Ukrainian firm called 'Dengo Systems'.

https://www.linkedin.com/company/dengo-systems  <=---- You can see the profile pics he's used in the employees photo carousel to the right. Click on each one and it links to a full-size LinkedIn page for that person.

Now, the odd thing is that they posted a Happy Birthday to Jawad in their Facebook page back in May, describing him as 'our partner', but he isn't listed anywhere as being an actual 'partner' of the company, although I did find this scheduled in the list of projects one of the Dengo Systems guys has on his LinkedIn page:
https://ua.linkedin.com/in/alexandr-serdiuk-474680116
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Razormind
Starting June 2016

Big Data. Blockchain. Enterprise Architecture.

Team members: Alexandr Serdiuk

So Jawad is obviously just a client of Dengo Systems, but is using their staff bios to imply they are actually on Razormind's payroll.



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found this. what Jawad Yaqub wants to do with it???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5j9OyZT5hw
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