Topic: DeOS (by Razormind) is most likely a scam! EDIT: Ongoing investigation!!! - page 26. (Read 67163 times)

"Rasormind Limited" is established 19 February 2016 with only 1GBP capital...  what a crap is, Jawad had an another company called "Rasormind LTD" before hands which established 8 June 2012, that old one was shut down 2014/01/21, because he did nothing to declare for tax or renew paper works at all.

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/officers/h72g3fwgceOhGqys4nl3rJvz5w4/appointments

Phil seems registered as Secretary to "Rasormind Limited" but not shown to "Rasormind LTD".

Yes, it's registered company but with such poor corporate profile, how come the banks which Jawad describe deal business??? many employees working at under ONE director of Jawad?

　　  　　rubbish　scammer　 

Indeed, it doesn't seem to add up, especially given the deos.io domain was registered last year. Ish needs to start getting wayyy more specific about what's been going on behind the scenes of this sham.


Yeah Omni are risking getting tainted by this shameful ICO if they simply remain passive about it. This could still all be undone and Jawad and Phil could be forced to agree to return the funds to investors who now wish to withdraw from this nonsense if an established figure such as an Omni Foundation leader were to publicly call for it. *hint* *hint*

So who does have access to the funds, Jawad and how do your 'investors' get hold of them to recover their money which you fraudulently conned out of them?

BULLSHIT! You said it because you knew it would give people a false sense of security and legitimacy to your sham ICO process, which you changed the conditions for while it was running, something the Omni people would not have allowed. Then you made no fucking effort whatsoever to have the claim retracted from the Coin Telegraph article, which you could have done through a single email. You used Coin Telegraph's lack of shit-giving about promoting obvious fraudulent operations to ensure you could ensnare 'investors' by way of using this and numerous other lies, fraud and deception.

Fraudulent misrepresentation, Jawad, otherwise known as Criminal Fraud.

Never mind your 'Crappy Communications', how about your blatantly fraudulent misrepresentations, lies and deception, Jawad?

Hear that, investors? Your spent tokens will need to find greater fools to buy them.

Funny how you have no idea what the fuck you intend to do about non-performing loans and that you have nothing like the amount of capital needed to run one bank, never mind two. Still, having a bunch of BTM's near your home will be a great way for you to anonymously cash out your bitcoin stash.

Investors need to start rattling cages and making some noise to get their funds back, before Jawad can engineer his way towards them being released in his favour.

What sense? That this guy (Malik) has no issues if this is a scam, as long as he receives his money?

again, Jawad postponed delivery date. He's earning time to prepare escaping to his home country.

DeOS was suppose to be next Etherium or more beauty stuff, however, using Omini to deliver token???  who want such shit coin!?

We recognize Jawad as ICO cowntdown video but not yet for ISM. ISM may be as a spoofing by Jawad???

so how come he owned the deos web site and can just take over it. the DEOS presentation came before him being added to the project without his consent. The story doent add up.

Malik says he was added to the razormind site without his consent and he has no contract with them. The reason he left is because Jawad refused to pay Malik for his contribution to the project and claimed all his work was "donated". That makes sense since razormind has no employees and keeps posting everywhere looking for 'interns' (i.e. free labor).

The new "developments" seem strange as well. pardon for being skeptical. to me this seems low level cheaters OUT play.

1. Mr. malik was presented as a key technical person not communications. If as was told here the dispute just arose now, how come he was on the web site for 2 months while we know that this is a scam from much earlier. At the time, I looked at Malik's twitter account (some 2 months ago, as well as all others, many of them had no linkedin, twitter or facebook), there was no earlier association with RazM. Just two weeks after the ICO, some names suddenly popped and since disappeared. So how come HE is the one suddenly owning the domain? it was up before he was part of the team, at least on the web site.

2. there cant be a fork as this wasnt open sourced. what is being forked exactly? no code was out for scrutiny and there is nothing open source to fork.

3. And why exactly does the world need Deos? and what about all the claims such as 27000 users offices etc. none of it was true, so how come the only issue is contractual not essential

4. To me this could be and probably is another tale to create an out for razormind, with 3000 or 4000 or 6000 BTC, the distinguished management can now state that the reason this didnt work out was the fork/community/malik/this thread and that people lied to them etc. There is a trend here if you look back at the thread and claims here. So we can give out some shit coins, have a "fork" make some noise for 2 months like opening 724 offices on 7 continents and 100 banks and then say sorry it didnt work out.  A way to not face criminal liability and keep $3.6M

Too easy? not so quickly

I hope that this police complaint + more will come and this guy's known whereabouts will lead to exposing this and to a criminal investigation.

This sentence: "Using the Bitcoin blockchain as the native currency for DeOS has proven a great model, and we look forward to delivering decentralized application infrastructure that builds on the Bitcoin ecosystem." is ridiculous.

Yes, since Ismail's deos.io domain has a new site on it that looks more like an actual project than razormind's old site.

Yesterday we talked to Patrick from Omni Foundation and he claimed he was not involved with Razormind. Today I got an email from Razormind claiming they are issuing their tokens using Omni layer. Strange huh?


Also the email claims that Ismail Malik was "expelled" from Razormind. That is a LIE. He LEFT because he did not want to have any part of Razormind's criminal activities. Now they claim he is "squatting" the deos.io domain, when in fact Ismail Malik owned the domain in the first place.

Anyway here is the complete copypasta from the email:

"It's almost time to get your Tokens.
Thank you for your response to Tuesday's update - we've now got most of the outstanding participants on the send list for tomorrow.

For those who haven't sent us both the BTC Address for token delivery and the txid to confirm we ask you to please do so before 12 noon GMT tomorrow.

If you can't make that then please email us within one week and we'll take your details and send out the tokens that way.


The Tokens
We're pleased to announce the issuance of DeOS Tokens using the Omni Layer protocol, which we chose because we judged the underlying technology to be the most reliable and easiest to use. The crowdsale operated through issuing individual addresses for each participant, which were verified and confirmed by teams who had no access to the funds. The Omni Layer Foundation was not involved in that process, the statement made in July 2016 about them providing verification services to the fundraise was withdrawn by Razormind after they clarified they don’t offer such services, but we were unable (see below) to retract the statement in print across multiple media channel at the time.

Razormind is using the funds raised to expand our in-house team of talented developers and we are on track to deliver the roadmap promised during the crowdsale. Using the Bitcoin blockchain as the native currency for DeOS has proven a great model, and we look forward to delivering decentralized application infrastructure that builds on the Bitcoin ecosystem.

DeOS Tokens and links to wallets will be delivered tomorrow to you.
 

Our Crappy Communications


We want to apologize first and foremost for the lack of updates and the general rubbishness of our communications. Ismail Malik was expelled from the DeOS project earlier this week for that reason.

His departure sent a wave of relief throughout the team even though he was squatting on the deos domain.

So, in short we've moved domains and will confirm the new url to access the upgraded DeOS Demo on Monday. We'll also try to build out new community arenas for you - please let us know if you prefer slack, or a facebook page etc. If you have any queries please email - pr (at) razormind (dot)(co)(uk).
 
DeOS Platform release set for 10th October
Version 1 of the DeOS platform will be available on 10.10.2016. You'll be able to spend your tokens to register smart assets, and identities and lookup those on the blockchain. Spent DeOS Tokens will be available for re-purchase directly from the platform, and the revenue will go to the DeOS Foundation for ensuring the platform stays in public hands.



In Belfast 2 BTMs are on order and due for delivery the week before the launch. A total of 10 are in line for Belfast which will become Razormind's European HQ, and another 10 for Paris, as we intend to launch DeOS based banking in 2017 in those cities.

We're on track to deliver, and now that we're moving to a new leader for our communications we will try to update you daily on our progress.

Kind Regards

DeOS Team"

well i've made a scam report at http://www.actionfraud.police.uk/ as reported above

i would like everybody who's been scammed to report that. It takes only 30 minutes to do that.

personally, anyway i don't expect to see any of my BTC again, but i'd like to make sure this guy will have problem with the cops.
even if he manages to escape this time, I expect him to be put on a grey watchlist. Jawad seems pretty dumb, I'm confident one day or letter, something very bad will happen to him, prison, or more likely, he will scam the wrong guy and get a bullet or something like that...

actually you don't NEED to be a victim to report a fraud. IF you have strong SUSPICIONS, and have gathered some extra evidence, I encourage you to post to the link above !!

the more we do it, the more the chances that the police will look into it.

Scam artists like Jawad have perhaps several scams going on, at one stage, he's going to make a false move. Reporting to the police will put more pressure on him, and if he gets nervous, he'll end making mistakes, and one that will prove fatal to him sooner or later.

That's just a Fiverr video, Jawad had a bunch of them done over the years. Look at the date of them as well, some of them are from the Razorcoin.com period, others from the Razormind Network Ltd (Another 'razormind' UK incorp that he abandoned) timeframe.

Funny how he also posted a tweet about looking for interns during the 'crowdsale' (It was an ICO by any measure as people only bought the tokens in the hope they would increase in value). I wonder if anybody in Northern Ireland even follows the serial-liar on Twitter.

@plastick - Any more news on the Ish Malik situation?

this guy says loves Razormind  ---> https://youtu.be/akEGUYOdnbI


David Marcus CEO IRB STRATA???   https://youtu.be/UtaS8p3Uqsw?t=109 may be a pretender though...

It would be great if Jawad introduce him to us who he is and why he loves Rasormind.

credibility to Jawad had down the toilet already. what ever they deliver to investors, that's worthless. most likely, Jawad will enforce shit coin to the investors and would say legit to own the ICO BTCs. I guess Jawad may got extra hidden money among the 6000+ BTC that the multistig account might be a  just part of all the BTC what he gathered during ICO. no escrow makes this sacm happen.

btw, who is going to accuse Jawad? at this point of time, what ever ISH says now, he supposed to be a part of scam troopers that he must prove he is also a victim.

They were supposed to deliver a lot of things but only managed to make a website with a few shiny widgets. I mean really, it takes ten minutes to set up a blockchain, but they haven't even done that... or a wallet.

I think maybe they intended to do something but quickly realized they were in over their heads when they couldn't find anybody to do it for them (for free of course) because obviously they can't do it themselves. All Jawad knows how to do is add to his website once a month and post tweets insulting and making personal attacks. Not very professional coming from a supposed CEO.

Yeah well it also was supposed to have 27,000 active users busy writing smart-contracts and developing on it since January of 2015, too. So I'd take anything that was posted on their website or came out of Jawad's mouth as stinking to high-heaven of bullshit.

The goal was to sufficiently astro-turf the whole concept and company so they could fool people into investing, that's the take-home message for every bit of deception and fraud they're guilty of.

That is what the demo looked like but from what I understand by all the docs I have seen it is more like ethereum but with file storage and sidechained with bitcoin.

here is an interesting page on the razorcoin/mind site:

http://www.razormind.co.uk/usecases/

It looks like they want to create a basic version of DeOS then charge for "plugins". Kind of greasy if you ask me.

Given the reports of Jawad, yet again, having posted up profiles of people he doesn't actually employ as though they were Razormind staff, I'd suggest urgently getting clarification from somebody outside of the splintering ICO leaders.


Patrick Dugan might be able to shed some light on the situation, given that it was stated early on that the Omni Foundation were overseeing the process. If he knows who is holding the keys for that multi-sig bitcoin wallet it could be possible to undo all of this and return the funds to the people who were conned into believing Razormind was a substantial corporate entity capable of delivering this project.


Sounds like Ish might have actually been under the impression this ICO was supposed to fund the development of DeOS, you know, pretty much what everybody else was led to believe, too. Remember when the interviewer asked Jawad where the money for this other project of his, the five-million-euro 'blockchain bank', was coming from?

I wonder if my prediction is true, that Jawad was only going to throw a fraction of the funds towards Dengo Systems to have them stitch together the tech just enough so he could claim delivery and take the rest of the funds for this 'blockchain bank' he couldn't explain the function of beyond the notion of 'lending money to poor people'.


Is it? Is it really? As far as I can tell it is simply a cloud-hosted distributed platform (not decentralised and certainly not innovative) of office-style apps bundled with an Ethereum fork rebranded with the Ethers renamed to DEOS.

Which TxID are they referring to, the one for the original BTC contribution to the ICO ? that was from a different BTC account to the one I have now