Topic: DeOS (by Razormind) is most likely a scam! EDIT: Ongoing investigation!!! - page 25. (Read 67133 times)

@Spartak_t

So your saying it's no use me
Proving i'm who I say I'm.

I read a post requesting to clarify
My position which I did.

Not sure with what your wanting from me?

That's up to you. When it comes to fool other people, then yes, I am. If it was my decision I can live with it. Everybody learns from their mistakes, no?


That's 101% true. But it was my personal decision to choose this way. That is why I am a FAILer.


There could be a lot of motives, giving the fact you are just registered. I told you that I won't bother my mind with that.


I'm sorry if you really lost money on that, but hell yeah... there are a lot of things people can do by joining forces.

I was about to send you a friend request to show you my name and how it ties to my username but I just saw your reply to Ish, or whoever he is.  You are pretty hot-headed.  I'm out, no need to prove anything to you at this point.  It accomplishes nothing.  Besides, what in the hell would my motive be for faking anything I have written?  I have no idea what I would gain from it.

I lost BTC here and will live and learn from it.  If there is a way to join forces and bring some accountability to those who did this then I'm all for it.

No, it can go like this: https://www.facebook.com/spartak.tomanov

Please note

As I release the full extent of Jawad aka Razorminds fraud

Upon leasing DeOS.io I agreed that I would not take
Payments until completion of the crowdsale.

However to protect myself and
My domain I kept a close eye and made myself available to
Razormind for any assistance.

However I began to get cold feet as Jawad kept avoided meeting
In person and avoided discussion of the london office or the other offices.

He never has shown to this day the platform he claims 27000 users are currently
Using.

All combined it became clear that he was a fraudster and decided to make good
By investigating further and compensate those that I recommended DeOS to
Through any payment I would receive for the assistance and leasing of DeOS.io
However when he refused even that I realised this is not only a fraudster but
Also somebody who likes to squeeze every last penny he can.

So the entire pivot to become a bitcoin ATM provider points to his attempt
To launder the entire ICO funds into cash.

I do think he will

A) deliver tokens that are not attached to any platform as such so useless.

B) Build a Dockerised image system with roughly hacked riak backend
   It will be of little or no value in all but name.

C) The above two are time buyers in order to be able to launder the
    Proceeds through overcharged costs such as videos or PR etc etc.

D) Bitcoin ATMs will be the only fast tracked project as currently the priority
    As swapping out several million dollars of BTC takes a few machines and a
    Few weeks at the least.

E) by the time the request for independent audit of the DeOS code or platform
   Is met the funds have been laundered and long gone.

F) Book desk spaces at fancy offices to create an air of legitimacy
   Staffed by no - one or freelancers or fresh newly appointed staff
   Who are completely unaware.

G) Claim stress, illness or family bereavement in the near future to buy
   More time to Launder further funds.

H) Attenpt to find a lawyer who is happy to bypass KYC / KYB on origin of
    Funds to silence any criticisms whilst the money is being moved.

I) Jawad will claim to be the victim of FUD and X y Z unfair treatment
   when asked why funds are not held by independent 3rd party escrow
   As promised basically misdirecting the question ( a trait of his obfuscation style)

J) increase ramp up lots of PR articles about Razormind and DeOS to keep
   The scam running a little longer. Looking to produce podcasts or anything
   To increase the perception of legitimacy.

K) Have paid for goons to intimidate online and offline any acotiviry which could increase
    The pace of pressure mounting for his arrest and quell discontent.

L) create lots of misinformation and misdirection or move attention away from himself
   Much like he did with me, this is Jawad buying more time.

Please remember Jawad is one of the most calculated and greed filled individuals
I have ever come across, their is not much he will not do for extra cash, no amount
is enough for him. 

When you hear the recording you will hear and see it was not even several minutes after
He put the phone down that he concocted lies and informed his so called non
Existent team of me being let go!

We are dealing with a very violent calculated individual who most likely will resort to any
Means to retain the funds.

It is in the best interest of all the community that he is arrested in earnest and funds
Seized and held in safe storage as we don't know where they could be going and which
Criminal enterprise.

He has already cashed upto 600k USD.

One advantage we have on our side he has done many actions which are plain
Criminal.





Rgds,

Ish

Sent from iPhone

Whatever man.  Not sure how to show ourselves.  Am I supposed to post a profile pic like you have?  You're the only person I've seen do that.  How do I know you are showing the true you?  See, it can go on forever.  Hope nobody busted your balls as much as you like to do to people who open an account, heaven forbid.

Will check that, but not now, because you guys are not "showing yourselves". This is my only account here and it will always be like this, no matter if someone make a video on how I am sucking Trump's balls.

That's not a fair play, really.

That's fair...as for me go check the Factom thread.  I explained my intro there. 

I don't know if this guy is Malik or not either, but I'd love to see his emails and listen to his recordings though.  If you or anyone else can instruct him how to do so then that would be great.  If he declines after being shown a way to do so then we know he isn't Malik and that everything he set out is false. 

Any ideas to explain me how you both registered your nicknames with like a 5 hour difference? One is claiming that he is Malik, and the other "expresses valid concerns"...

Any ideas on how to help him post his emails and recordings?  He offered, that would help nail that down.  I don't know how right off in this forum.

Can you prove that you are indeed Ismail Malik?

Do you believe he is in London? 

You have his cell phone number.  From where is it based?  Post it in here.  I will include in my complaints and they will be better able to trace to the owner.

Please note Jawad is not speaking at The coinsbank conference or any conferences

The coinsbank event site is yet to be updated.

Jawad has never been seen in flesh.

AskIsh...thank you for taking the time to post your experience with this ordeal.  Is a very sad result that in the end many people will lose their BTC from this.

The best thing to do is to file a police report with the local authorities and stress that the fraud is valued at 6119 BTC (USD $3,757,066).  Here is the address a person provided: https://blockchain.info/address/3Q8pgRFtxbUp8wtGbtQqRNXPs1B4i6enu1

The value of the theft should raise some eyebrows.

I will send in complaints as well to the Financial Conduct Authority in the UK, and will reach out to the Coinsbank and GOTO conferences where he is scheduled to speak this month.  Hopefully the organizers will investigate and not allow him to participate knowing this ordeal is out there.

Can you tell us in which city Jawad lives?  I will contact that police office too.

Hi everybody

This is Ish "Ismail Malik"

I have just read the need for me to clarify my position.

As it will be a long and information rich thread that shall explain
the entire saga in full.

I have several emails and recordings that will better shed light on
The Jawad aka Razormind fraud.

Please note I have neither met either Jawad or Phil in Person
Nor have I received any payment from either of them, or Razormind.

I have owned and still do DeOS.io prior to having associated with Jawad aka razormind.

Upon reading in cointelegraph of Razormind having created DeOS
acquired 27000 users plus a sizeable workforce of 260 staff and
The crowdsale being done with secure multisig managed by oMNi.
I offered to lease DeOS.io to Razormind.

However I found myself being increasingly contacted by Jawad
and no one else, I asked to meet in person he made excuses
I requested to know more about any other staff non existed.

He also had me on the website and then request I sack Vanbex
For them not agreeing to put up unsubstantiated articles, I was
Confused as without contract and not having received any payment
For the lease of DeOS.io.

I phoned Jawad after his many refusals to Sirak on skype and confronted
Him as to why he was.

Not refunding Nic of Vanbex he went ballistic
I said I would refund him personally from the payments
I recrieved he went completely hostile and claimed he will
Not be giving anything.

During this conversation he also mentioned he had more money
Then he has ever had before.

This alarmed me that he considered it his money.

This is when I stated. I shall not be continuing with the relationship
And lease of DeOS.io

This whole Razormind is very much a scam in that everything stated
Was a lie, it's all non existent.

The pivot to bitcoin ATM's is a way to launder the BTC raised from the
Crowdsale into cash.

Mangr who cashed out some of the funds I think are getting cold feet to launder
The rest.

I have a strong belief that Jawad will be getting arrested shortly
Having gone through in detail he has broken many laws
Both civil and criminal in nature.

Please could anyone help how best to post email evidence and recordings

I also urge the entire crypto community yo not let such vile and ruthless
Fraudsters to be provided space to exist.

its definitely a scam, open your eyes.

all the information is there

why they do it ? for the money !!!
nobody has seen Jawad, maybe he doesn't even exist.

please file as soon as possible a report at actionfraud.co.uk

Well, I threw in some BTC into this one.  I'm 50/50 at this point as to whether this is the end of it or not. 

I fully agree with the numerous points made as to why this is a scam.  On the other hand, why would someone truly go through with this and scam people?  If anything, go ahead and distribute the DEOS and make the claim that you full-filled the representation that people got what they paid for?  If worrying about facing prosecution then at least that helps save your neck.  Also, the people tied to this are very visible in the public.  Most scams are made from anonymous people (not always the case I agree).  For instance though, if you go to Jawal's personal Facebook account you see his family.  Looks like he loves them dearly and they all have a nice life going.  Why scam people if you have that going for you?  But then again, you can't explain away the crazy things people do, I agree there too.

I did reach out to Razormind through Facebook Messenger yesterday.  I was told to expect tokens on Monday.  Whatever, still feels like BS.  I used the time to voice my displeasure about the whole thing.  He reminded me that this as not an ICO...hah!  Last I looked the BTC were all still in the combined address.  Doesn't look like anyone is buying Ferrari's yet, so that's good.

Does anyone have any thoughts about this?:

https://gotocon.com/london-2016/speakers
https://coinsbank.com/party
http://digitalcurrencysumm.it/london-capital-markets-blockchain/

Jawad and Ish are held out to be respectable speakers at these events.  Why throw your careers in the toilet with a scam?

i say it again,

i encourage all victims to file a fraud report at http://www.actionfraud.police.uk/

actually you don't need to be a victim to file. You don't even need to report a crime, if you have strong suspicions, its enough to make a report.

So i would like to express thanks to anyone who would kindly join me in reporting the crime.

There is no downside in doing that, except spending 30 minutes of your time, and having to give your personal details (name, address, phone number, email)
You don't need to be a UK citizen or to reside in the UK to file.


I know a lot of people in the crypto-community are anarchists, and don't believe in government and police.

But if we really want to stop scammers, the only way in this world is to report crimes, hopefully some will get caught and heavily punished, and maybe the next scammer will ask himself twice if he wants to risk prison.
At least there would be a little less of them. Don't be egocentric, I have no hope personally of getting my money back, i am just fed up of people getting away unpunished, and everyone of us can make a difference, whether you are victim for 1 btc , for 10 btc or 100 btc, whether you are just an observer, you can make a difference, and if you don't like people like Jawad, thats the realistic way to go.

Jawad may go away but maybe not the next Jawad. Also, he might be involved and a suspect in many other scams as well. It will put him under the radar of the police. if enough people complain, maybe he'll get scared and have a change of heart. Maybe he would even be forbidden to leave the UK (if he really exists and really lives in the UK...)

Also, please note that these complaints take weeks to be processed. For those who don't want to take action immediately, hoping for some miracle resolution, after it will be too late to stop him.

Really there is no downside in filing the complaint, if by miracle you get the money back, you can always send an email later to actionfraud to explain the situation...
Apparently i've managed to convince a few other ones to do it. The more of us do it, the more chances the police at least has a glance at it, and maybe process it.

Revolt !!! don't be a silent ashamed rape victim !!!!