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Topic: DeOS (by Razormind) is most likely a scam! EDIT: Ongoing investigation!!! - page 8. (Read 67163 times)

legendary
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Hello,

I now know for a fact that Jawad is under major investigation from the Northern Ireland's fraud squad! People who were scammed may post in this thread and I'll try to help as I can.

Thanks for that info, I was scammed, DD

What was the amount? Do you have some proofs? I can't reveal (and still don't have) much details about it, but I can assure you guys that this is real.
sr. member
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Hello,

I now know for a fact that Jawad is under major investigation from the Northern Ireland's fraud squad! People who were scammed may post in this thread and I'll try to help as I can.

Thanks for that info, I was scammed, DD
legendary
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@FAILCommunity
Hello,

I now know for a fact that Jawad is under major investigation from the Northern Ireland's fraud squad! People who were scammed may post in this thread and I'll try to help as I can.
member
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That's CoinTelegraph for you. Treat EVERYTHING they publish as being a potential scam until proven otherwise and you should avoid repeating the same mistake.


CONTelegraph. They will post anything if you pay them, and they don't much care if it is true or not.
legendary
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But I find it very strange that they are not processed, the participants should make more noise, the communication networks should help. This ICO was sponsored by various communication networks such as cointelegraph, so why do not they report the case.

They did https://cointelegraph.com/news/razormind-red-flags-going-inside-blockchains-kryptos-part-1 but it was an excuse piece solely attempting to portray their eager promotion of the ICO as being entirely not their fault because the blisteringly-obvious 'red flags' were just so difficult to spot, apparently. It even signs off claiming their lawyers say the DeOS ICO still can't be labelled a scam because. . .reasons that they don't explain.

A multi-page thread continuously posting damning evidence all the way through the run-up to and during the ICO, as well as repeated messages to them alerting them to said facts, wasn't enough for them to withdraw their support at the time.

That's CoinTelegraph for you. Treat EVERYTHING they publish as being a potential scam until proven otherwise and you should avoid repeating the same mistake.

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Gaywad Fucknoob spends all his time getting owned in Elite Dangerous rather than working on DEOS (mainly because DEOS does not exist).

member
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Maybe he just answers me because he hates me so bad that he can't help himself. I must really be getting under his skin.

Just keep sending the same email over and over, he will eventually reply because it annoys him.

He started sending me replies saying he was not Gaywad, but an "employee". This is hilarious because his "employee" had the exact same writing style, typos and vocabulary as Gaywad Fucknoob.

newbie
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They do not answer me!
member
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You can message jawad at [email protected], he almost always replies.

I always get lies and excuses. I would like to see what he tells others he scammed.

I message him all the time asking for a refund and it makes him so mad!
newbie
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Good afternoon people

I was also cheated, transferred to ICO DEOS 0.5 BTC and never saw tokens or bitcoins, nor answers to my emails, I was completely mistaken.
Worst of all, it was my first time at an ICO, so I was suspicious of all the other ICOs.
I feel injured in several bitcoins, because they could have been invested in order to provide more profits.

But I find it very strange that they are not processed, the participants should make more noise, the communication networks should help. This ICO was sponsored by various communication networks such as cointelegraph, so why do not they report the case.

Lastly I would really like to get my bitcoins back.
legendary
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Hello! So I can not sell my DeOS tokens?

Yes, you can't. I'm not following their "progress" for quite some time, but I don't believe that something will ever change so...
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Hello! So I can not sell my DeOS tokens?
legendary
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Hey Jawad, I know you're reading this thread because you quickly deleted your "pray for me" post. In the ongoing quest of trying to highlight all the shit you need to clean up, here, have this little alert about your 20-quid UK incorp:
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I know you've previously just let these annoying compliance issues slide with your history of previously-incorporated UK companies being struck off the register, but there's a couple of things which make this instance a little more serious.

Firstly:
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Now, I know you might figure that it didn't really matter those previous times, as your defence for not filing on your prior companies would simply have been that you had ceased trading. But your continued public promotion of Razormind in your attempt to be able to plead that you have tried to deliver on your bullshit 'crowdsale', means that you are provably still trading, right?

So, with that in mind, you've got this little issue rearing its head:
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There's no letting this incorp slide into a default strike-off, Jawad.

Most of this DeOS liability you're facing could be swiftly resolved if you just simply offered to return the funds to whomever wanted to claim them back.

Why wouldn't you at least attempt to engage with your creditors? Courts view a pro-active move like that favourably.


Which you should have done long before now.
 
legendary
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...

We already know he's a scammer, but this guy is also pathetic or seriously ill...
member
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"CoinIdol has sent the funds of $1,000 (according to the rates on March 7, 2017) to the multi-signature address 3EZ7DhAbwmzx7xFjfyhsoFDA3ZTmy6cQeS"

Tracing back from this address it is quite clear Jawad tumbled the BTC. No reason to do this if you're running an honest operation, but we already know he is a criminal anyway.
https://blockchain.info/address/16jGgsoQhehpazmdfnJA75GYJKP9Xb2yuf
legendary
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For anyone wanting to serve Jawad, he's back in England tomorrow. In court apparently, because his wife threw him out.

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Oh, and DeOS has been launched according to the Razormind news blog

Not that there's a link to it anywhere, of course.

Probably for AML/KYC reasons, right?


legendary
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Looks like I haven't received any notifications on thread's replies. Anyway... this article (https://coinidol.com/article-on-cointelegraph-reason-for-scammers-steal-6000-btc/) has been brought to my attention by a friend of mine and I find it HILARIOUS! I wonder where they have been when this thread was created... Not to mention the tons of evidences, which are posted here.
newbie
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It is good to see an industry news source attempting to take a meaty bite out of this story, instead of the piss-poor 'Red Flags' apologia on CT written by Niall Maye, which basically was an attempt to downplay the blatant facts of the scam and his part in repeatedly promoting it.

I think that "piss-poor" is a lenient way to describe the article. It's a fucking shameless attempt on the author's part to pretend that he thinks there's nothing to worry about, when the facts he states don't even make sense or hold up to the lightest of investigations. Let's take this sentence: "The DeOS tokens have and still are being distributed to those who invested in them, including myself, and the only problem we can find is that some people used the wrong types of Bitcoin wallets."

The ONLY problem they can find is that some people used the wrong type of wallets? REALLY? How about the fact that the fucking platform isn't operational? First, there was absolutely no site, just an nginx error. For a period, there was an utterly useless login page. Useless because you couldn't create an account, and because Razormind don't actually provide 24 hour support like they claim. They provide no support. They will ignore you if you're polite, and threaten you if you're not polite. If Niall had received tokens, then he probably would have known they were worthless.

In fact, he goes on to say "I have yet to hear of anyone accessing the platform". Well, including himself, the man who publicised and promoted this scam and claims to have received tokens. Sorry, Niall, did you receive tokens and continue to promote a platform you weren't even interested in logging in to? Right, that makes sense...

Oh, and what's the reason we haven't heard of anyone using the system?! "The reason being given for this is strict AML and KYC compliance on verification of each user". Of course. None of the people who invested $10M in this scam want to go on the public record and say that they've accessed the system? Oh of course, that sounds highly plausible. WTF kind of bullshit is in this guy's head?

How much did Razormind pay him, and how much time is he going to do for intentionally colluding in this scam?
legendary
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Hope? You joking?

The guy has been exposed.

I don't get what you mean... There's quite a substantial body of evidence here suggesting he should be done for fraud. But is he actually going to be done for fraud, and is anyone likely to get their money back? If this isn't the first time, then surely ActionFraud might already know about him? And if it isn't the first time, then I'm guessing he got away with it scot-free the last time...

Contact them and find out.
legendary
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Investigating Razormind case! Coinidol.com News Outlet invites every member of the crypto-community to join the jury in the case, where scammers have allegedly stolen about $10,000,000 and asks everyone to participate in an open vote - https://coinidol.com/coinidol-to-hold-public-trial-of-razormind-scammers/

The story we want to tell you is about how Coinidol.com had to refuse to advertise the company of a suspicious client after our own study into their reliability. We found out that they have already stolen $10,000,000. By the time we had figured it out, they had already sent us $1,000.
We wanted to send that money back to Jawad Yaqub, but isn’t it odd to return stolen money to a thief who has taken that money from other people? However, we are not going to keep this money either. We don’t want stolen money. We believe that these funds should be sent to charity. But we want to set a precedent of market self-regulation without police to verify our decision with the votes of the community, just like we do to verify the block in the Bitcoin network. We want to act according to the decision of the crypto community.

George Gor, CEO and co-founder of Coinidol.com is explaining this public initiative with the words: "Can the whole crypto world set a precedent, when we force scammers, who have stolen up to $10 mln in Bitcoin to pay $1,000 to charity?”


As has already been pointed out by a commenter on that page, if the funds are suspected to be the proceeds of crime, which they are, you need to report such to the relevant authorities and retain the money as evidence, to be handed over to Law Enforcement as part of the case against Yaqub. Knowingly spending, or giving away, money that you have already declared you believe to be stolen is a crime itself.

Vigilantism is a legal minefield and, frankly, the energy would be best spent on tracing the location of the ICO funds under Jawad Yaqub's control.

He has already posted a picture on his facebook which shows a bitcoin ATM machine in the background, so there is every motivation to trace the funds before he can cash them out. There may still be a chance they could be recovered through legal action against him, criminal and civil.

It is good to see an industry news source attempting to take a meaty bite out of this story, instead of the piss-poor 'Red Flags' apologia on CT written by Niall Maye, which basically was an attempt to downplay the blatant facts of the scam and his part in repeatedly promoting it. But I do have to say that Coin Idol article is a little all-over-the-place and really only skims much of the truly interesting aspects of this fraud.

It also completely misses the fact that this thread already uncovered the truth that the DeOS software was actually ripped from the OS.JS open-source project and that its author, Anders Evenrud, had to go as far as to post a disclaimer stating that DeOS was nothing to do with him and wasn't even a viable version that Razormind were running.

Note to journalists considering researching this topic: This thread has many posts, I accept, but there is a LOT of incriminating evidence and cool facts to be found within its pages by the writer who is willing to put the time in and read the fucking thing! Cheesy




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