Devin Haney vs Ryan Garcia on April 20 - page 10.

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Quote from: Jating on April 28, 2024, 07:12:08 AM

Quote from: btc_angela on April 27, 2024, 05:58:21 AM

^^ Ok, with that news it's official that Derrick James and Errol Spence has separated already. But it's just sad to here that it's not amicably as based on that lawsuit, Spence still owns James a lot of money or at least from the Crawford vs Spence fight.

And enter Ryan Garcia, he said that he wants to fight Errol Spence now, Lol. Its seems that Ryan is calling everyone now. But in any case, for Oscar this is a good story board, Ryan wanted to knockout Spence for his trainer, sort of revenge story.

Yes, that is great fight, if Ryan is moving up to 147 lbs and then wanted to test the former champion in Spence Jr, then sign the deal. For the lawsuit, it's big money that they are talking here and I agree that it's very bad to see how everything ends up with the two.

As per article, Derrick James has been with Spence since his Olympic days or at least at the start of his boxing career and guided him to become a great boxer and a world champion. However, it looks like Spence doesn't want his services no more and so James have to get back what he think deserves of him as a payment for being a coach or mentor for Spence for many years.

I don't want to comment on the legal part but I am very much interested with this news that Ryan is challenging Errol Spence Jr... He is not stopping and I like the path he is taking because he is not backing down, I mean he wants to take risk by getting into big fights that would truly entertain the crowd.

Ryan had already proven that he isn't a joke, he could talk trash but he could beat a fighter in the ring. I believe Errol is strong but he is slow, so I think Ryan could beat him, and then maybe next target is Terence Crawford?

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Quote from: btc_angela on April 27, 2024, 05:58:21 AM

^^ Ok, with that news it's official that Derrick James and Errol Spence has separated already. But it's just sad to here that it's not amicably as based on that lawsuit, Spence still owns James a lot of money or at least from the Crawford vs Spence fight.

And enter Ryan Garcia, he said that he wants to fight Errol Spence now, Lol. Its seems that Ryan is calling everyone now. But in any case, for Oscar this is a good story board, Ryan wanted to knockout Spence for his trainer, sort of revenge story.

Yes, that is great fight, if Ryan is moving up to 147 lbs and then wanted to test the former champion in Spence Jr, then sign the deal. For the lawsuit, it's big money that they are talking here and I agree that it's very bad to see how everything ends up with the two.

As per article, Derrick James has been with Spence since his Olympic days or at least at the start of his boxing career and guided him to become a great boxer and a world champion. However, it looks like Spence doesn't want his services no more and so James have to get back what he think deserves of him as a payment for being a coach or mentor for Spence for many years.

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^^ Ok, with that news it's official that Derrick James and Errol Spence has separated already. But it's just sad to here that it's not amicably as based on that lawsuit, Spence still owns James a lot of money or at least from the Crawford vs Spence fight.

And enter Ryan Garcia, he said that he wants to fight Errol Spence now, Lol. Its seems that Ryan is calling everyone now. But in any case, for Oscar this is a good story board, Ryan wanted to knockout Spence for his trainer, sort of revenge story.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on April 26, 2024, 04:39:28 AM

Sadly I am not a huge boxing expert, but those 1-2kg extra make so much different when fighting a professional boxer? If a person is 10+ heavier, than I know how his punches feel and feel difference in strength. But they are professionals, the must know how to turn other boxers difference compared to you into your advantage. Devin must knew how to turn those extra 3.2lb into advantage for him. Heavier opponents always is slower and looses stamina faster. He must have adopted to "heavier version Garcia" during the fight. Instead he ate Garcias left hook after just one minute of the fight.

But it seems that Haney is the heavier in the fight? So I guess there excuse that Ryan is heavier excuse is not true at all, Ryan was really that good and Haney was not able to adjust in that fight. They were caught by surprised by the power of that left hook, although I will say that Haney's father should expect that. Haney admitted that they slept on Ryan's power. So they understand him thinking that they can just bully him. And in this lost, it just shows maybe that Haney didn't win the fight against Loma as well. If Loma had the power then maybe he can also put Haney in the canvass.

Anyone here this news?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-13354777/Ryan-Garcia-promises-KNOCK-Errol-Spence-Jr-trainer-Derrick-James-filed-5MILLION-lawsuit-against-former-welterweight-champion.html

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Ryan Garcia promises to 'KNOCK OUT' Errol Spence Jr after his trainer Derrick James filed a $5MILLION lawsuit against the former welterweight champion

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Quote from: btc_angela on April 26, 2024, 06:23:17 AM

Quote from: inthelongrun on April 26, 2024, 05:11:16 AM

I agree that weight difference is also a factor. Haney was heavier than Ryan at fight night but somehow there was an advantage when Ryan did not dropped down in weight to make 140. Imagine how weak and dehydrated Ryan was killing himself to make 140. Ryan can rehydrate after the weigh in but there would've been much more weight difference if Ryan did not started rehydrating from 143.

Nonetheless, Haney accepted the $1.5 million weight penalty and said he will beat Ryan at any weight. He and his dad should be ashamed. They're weight bully for many years already.

And we know the reasons, Ryan can't make 140 lbs simply as that and instead of draining himself again like the Davis fight and then come fight night he doesn't have anything because of the weight cut, then he just decided to go over the weight limit and willing to pay $500k for extra pound? obviously it paid off for Ryan.

If I'm not mistaken, I could have heard $1 million per pound during that heated argument and then settled at $500k.

So they are really exposed by Ryan here and they could man up to accept his first defeat and then go back and fight again and no excuses at all.

They can't make the weight as the reason of their defeat since they all agree to fight at that condition so its really dumb reasoning that Ryan just win because of that reason. Also Haney is in good condition before the fight happen that's why fans will not buy their reasoning since Garcia's victory is well celebrated by lots of boxing fans which have been surprised for the result of their match. Also paying that $1.5m pays off for him since he got a lot of money in return plus he always win by betting on his self so the penalty is just nothing for him.

Haney's camp should accept their first defeat since they will just put their selves on spotlight and people will talk about how shameful they are since its clearly seen that he is beaten badly by garcia.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on April 26, 2024, 05:11:16 AM

I agree that weight difference is also a factor. Haney was heavier than Ryan at fight night but somehow there was an advantage when Ryan did not dropped down in weight to make 140. Imagine how weak and dehydrated Ryan was killing himself to make 140. Ryan can rehydrate after the weigh in but there would've been much more weight difference if Ryan did not started rehydrating from 143.

Nonetheless, Haney accepted the $1.5 million weight penalty and said he will beat Ryan at any weight. He and his dad should be ashamed. They're weight bully for many years already.

And we know the reasons, Ryan can't make 140 lbs simply as that and instead of draining himself again like the Davis fight and then come fight night he doesn't have anything because of the weight cut, then he just decided to go over the weight limit and willing to pay $500k for extra pound? obviously it paid off for Ryan.

If I'm not mistaken, I could have heard $1 million per pound during that heated argument and then settled at $500k.

So they are really exposed by Ryan here and they could man up to accept his first defeat and then go back and fight again and no excuses at all.

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I agree that weight difference is also a factor. Haney was heavier than Ryan at fight night but somehow there was an advantage when Ryan did not dropped down in weight to make 140. Imagine how weak and dehydrated Ryan was killing himself to make 140. Ryan can rehydrate after the weigh in but there would've been much more weight difference if Ryan did not started rehydrating from 143.

Nonetheless, Haney accepted the $1.5 million weight penalty and said he will beat Ryan at any weight. He and his dad should be ashamed. They're weight bully for many years already.

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Sadly I am not a huge boxing expert, but those 1-2kg extra make so much different when fighting a professional boxer? If a person is 10+ heavier, than I know how his punches feel and feel difference in strength. But they are professionals, the must know how to turn other boxers difference compared to you into your advantage. Devin must knew how to turn those extra 3.2lb into advantage for him. Heavier opponents always is slower and looses stamina faster. He must have adopted to "heavier version Garcia" during the fight. Instead he ate Garcias left hook after just one minute of the fight.

Crying that Garcia was heavier and that is why he has won is so lame. Devin could have gone to KFC, get extra spicy wings that will give him those 3.2lb and a speed, because if he fights slows, he wont make it to WC and his ass would burn.

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^^ there is one boxing forum that says Haney is heavier in the fight itself,

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/devin-haney-and-ryan-garcia%E2%80%99s-real-weight-in-the-night.719855/

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I've seen two weights reported for both, not sure what the accurate one is.

Garcia 153
Haney 156

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Garcia 161
Haney 165

So if this is true, then Haney is far bigger than Ryan fight night and so that 3 pounds is nothing and probably that's why Haney agreed as he knows that he can rehydrated to 160'ish pounds and be the heavier puncher just like in the Regis Prograis fight. But it's obvious that even if he is the heavier, Ryan Garcia's left hook is deadly and he has shown that power even in lower weight class.

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Quote from: coin-investor on April 25, 2024, 10:30:37 AM

Finally, Devin made an official announcement after the beating he wants a rematch at an agreed weight but
he is making excuses about the additional weight when in fact he agreed and bet and claimed the $1.6 million its his fault that he agreed to proceed even if Ryan is overweight.
Champions don't make excuses, I hope he gets better the next opponent is already announced so he should prepare for Sandor Martin.

Lol yeah. Making excuses are always look lame. Why would not he just say that Ryan was better that night, congratulate him, offer him a rematch and promise to be better. Instead of complaining about overweight. What would Devin say, if Ryan made weight and beat him? Who or what will be guilty then? What stopped Devin from also getting 3.2lb before the fight? They did not fight straight after weight-ins. So nobody knows their real weight during fight.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on April 25, 2024, 10:38:11 PM

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Finally, Devin made an official announcement after the beating he wants a rematch at an agreed weight but
he is making excuses about the additional weight when in fact he agreed and bet and claimed the $1.6 million its his fault that he agreed to proceed even if Ryan is overweight.
Champions don't make excuses, I hope he gets better the next opponent is already announced so he should prepare for Sandor Martin.

Agreed. However, I am beginning to speculate that the bet on their weight cut might be a trick for Devin Haney to accept and continue the fight if King Ry was overweight hehehehe. I reckon after the tricks that was done to King Ry by the rehydration clause enforcer Tank Davis, King Ry has learned that the war begins before they fight in the boxing ring. I am very much excited for this new version of King Ry and his next fight! I wish this will be against Tank on catchweight.

Or it could backfire on Ryan Garcia moving forward? I mean his future opponents know his trick now and so they won't just ride on the speculations that he is crazy and not trying or partying before the fight because this is want Ryan wanted to portray. And so we can see that is very effective as Bill and Devin admitted that they have been trick here. So whoever Ryan's next opponent will be, he will have to know before hand that this is a psyche war that Ryan and everything is for publicity stunt and so his opponents should focus on the fight not on Ryan social media posts or what he tries to show in public.

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Quote from: coin-investor on April 25, 2024, 10:30:37 AM

Finally, Devin made an official announcement after the beating he wants a rematch at an agreed weight but
he is making excuses about the additional weight when in fact he agreed and bet and claimed the $1.6 million its his fault that he agreed to proceed even if Ryan is overweight.
Champions don't make excuses, I hope he gets better the next opponent is already announced so he should prepare for Sandor Martin.

Agreed. However, I am beginning to speculate that the bet on their weight cut might be a trick for Devin Haney to accept and continue the fight if King Ry was overweight hehehehe. I reckon after the tricks that was done to King Ry by the rehydration clause enforcer Tank Davis, King Ry has learned that the war begins before they fight in the boxing ring. I am very much excited for this new version of King Ry and his next fight! I wish this will be against Tank on catchweight.

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Quote from: bittraffic on April 25, 2024, 10:46:40 AM

Haney is just mediocre. We could see he isn't a KO artist compared to Garcia. Whether Ryaan prepared for the fight or party every night, the kid they thought was a one-trick phony won the fight.

Haney is not a mediocre, he is just outmatched and outplayed by Garcia on their match due to unknown reason. Being a guy that doesn’t have much K.O on records is not a sign of weakness since Boxing prioritized score over K.O since there’s no guarantee that you can finish your opponent. Haney is a decent champion, he might have a chance to redeem himself on a rematch.

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Rumor this time is that he will be fighting Sean Omalley since they are constantly exchanging on social media. Ryan initiated the trolling weeks before he fought Haney so now the dare is in. IF Dana allows it Garcia may be fighting the rainbow guy from MMA.

Sean will surely dominated once this fight happened. Ryan is on different league now that he already reclaimed his glory through his recent win to prove that he is already back.

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And the hype is still there for Ryan Garcia, as he released this music videos,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgmP9tpeHFw

Lol, but that's how he is, still capitalizing in his big win and so everyone is jumping on the bandwagon. Everyone is praising him, while there are former boxers like Thurman and Broner hitting on Haney and his dad for this big lost.

Everyone should watch this interview with Ryan Garcia. He talks about everything and how his roadmap from the beginning to the end of this fight with Haney was planned weeks before already. However, I have a question for everyone. Ryan appears to be acting like he is a super jesus, bible, born again, christian who is praising the lord and he said the holy spirit is showing him the future. But is this real or is he trolling everyone again? I reckon it appear that he might be trolling again or he might really be crazy heheheh.

https://youtu.be/LXtXcYUIO0M?si=0VYFi7xJCuo21Jbw

Maybe it is still part of his persona to call Jesus and God in his every fight. It could be an act for all we know. And it's very effective as everyone says that they have been fooled but not those who are around Ryan, including Oscar.

Oscar says that he knows that Ryan is trying hard behind close doors. But when he goes to the media, it's very different on how he portray himself and he admit that it was yes, part of the plan to market the fight and it's very effective for him and Haney wasn't expecting that he will come with those big left hook.

Haney is just mediocre. We could see he isn't a KO artist compared to Garcia. Whether Ryaan prepared for the fight or party every night, the kid they thought was a one-trick phony won the fight.

Rumor this time is that he will be fighting Sean Omalley since they are constantly exchanging on social media. Ryan initiated the trolling weeks before he fought Haney so now the dare is in. IF Dana allows it Garcia may be fighting the rainbow guy from MMA.

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Finally, Devin made an official announcement after the beating he wants a rematch at an agreed weight but
he is making excuses about the additional weight when in fact he agreed and bet and claimed the $1.6 million its his fault that he agreed to proceed even if Ryan is overweight.
Champions don't make excuses, I hope he gets better the next opponent is already announced so he should prepare for Sandor Martin.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on April 23, 2024, 10:06:07 PM

Quote from: btc_angela on April 23, 2024, 07:11:42 AM

And the hype is still there for Ryan Garcia, as he released this music videos,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgmP9tpeHFw

Lol, but that's how he is, still capitalizing in his big win and so everyone is jumping on the bandwagon. Everyone is praising him, while there are former boxers like Thurman and Broner hitting on Haney and his dad for this big lost.

Everyone should watch this interview with Ryan Garcia. He talks about everything and how his roadmap from the beginning to the end of this fight with Haney was planned weeks before already. However, I have a question for everyone. Ryan appears to be acting like he is a super jesus, bible, born again, christian who is praising the lord and he said the holy spirit is showing him the future. But is this real or is he trolling everyone again? I reckon it appear that he might be trolling again or he might really be crazy heheheh.

https://youtu.be/LXtXcYUIO0M?si=0VYFi7xJCuo21Jbw

Maybe it is still part of his persona to call Jesus and God in his every fight. It could be an act for all we know. And it's very effective as everyone says that they have been fooled but not those who are around Ryan, including Oscar.

Oscar says that he knows that Ryan is trying hard behind close doors. But when he goes to the media, it's very different on how he portray himself and he admit that it was yes, part of the plan to market the fight and it's very effective for him and Haney wasn't expecting that he will come with those big left hook.

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Haney should do a good comeback and think about a rematch since it will be good to see another Garcia and Haney part two soon.

Not an immediate rematch he needs to build his confidence I read that his mandatory challenger is Sandor Martin, Sandor Martin is a good one he fought and floored Teofimo Lopez he is a technical fighter but lacks the power it will be another big challenge for Haney.

Devin is not showing himself in the media after his devastating loss, all talks come from his father Bill Haney, he should show up and tell his supporters that he's ok and move on, its better to come out on his mouth.
The social medias are so full of before and after the fight and so many memes comes out related to this fight, this is a candidate for the match of the year.

But Ryan said that he might not fight at 140 lbs anymore, obviously, in this fight, he weighs over at 143 lbs causing the fight to be a non-title. And he said that no matter how he tried to make the weight, he can't do it. So meaning his next fight will be at 147 lbs and yeah, he could be going up another weigh class and it will be very interesting how he will do at the list of the champions.

I wouldn't say that it could be a fight of the year though, it was a dominant win by Ryan and it's not like a go back and forth fight and was really close in the end.

Ryan learned his lesson on not forcing himself to make the limit in weight because of the rehydration clause on Tank Davis so he is going to move in up but he should still try the superlightweight and fight Pitbull Cruz so he can at least win one title because he will have a hard time in the Welterweight where is loaded with great names like Boot s Ennis, Errol Spence and of course Crawford if he decides to come back to the Welterweight Division.
His concentration should be on winning a title besides beating big names in boxing so he can attain greatness

Yes, I think his team and Oscar himself might be the culprit after all. Just saying that he might be the brain behind Ryan no forcing himself to make the 140 lbs limit because as he said, as much as he wanted to, his body is not allowing him to make 140 lbs. So definitely big lessons on their lost to Tank Davis. And maybe we all thinking that if there are no rehydration clause and Ryan went in that fight at 140++ lbs, it could be a different outcome after all.

Anyhow, if Ryan jumps to 147 lbs, there are a lot of fighters that are going to wait for him. Not the immediate champions, but I like the name that you brought up which is Ennis who have been calling Crawford for years.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on April 23, 2024, 10:06:07 PM

Quote from: btc_angela on April 23, 2024, 07:11:42 AM

And the hype is still there for Ryan Garcia, as he released this music videos,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgmP9tpeHFw

Lol, but that's how he is, still capitalizing in his big win and so everyone is jumping on the bandwagon. Everyone is praising him, while there are former boxers like Thurman and Broner hitting on Haney and his dad for this big lost.

Everyone should watch this interview with Ryan Garcia. He talks about everything and how his roadmap from the beginning to the end of this fight with Haney was planned weeks before already. However, I have a question for everyone. Ryan appears to be acting like he is a super jesus, bible, born again, christian who is praising the lord and he said the holy spirit is showing him the future. But is this real or is he trolling everyone again? I reckon it appear that he might be trolling again or he might really be crazy heheheh.

https://youtu.be/LXtXcYUIO0M?si=0VYFi7xJCuo21Jbw

I didn't watch the video, it's too long. But Ryan Garcia has been acting like that before isn't it? He always call Jesus before and after the fight. So that is his persona if I'm not mistaken. But it's hard to judge whether he is a true Christian or Catholic with all his praises. Other boxers too, called for God or Jesus like Manny Pacquiao. So good for him, as he fooled us, but there are some truth in what he said, he is going into divorce and maybe it really put pressure on him or at least it bothered him during the fight that it causes him to act like a troll. But since he won, already, his strategy is perfect and Devin was affected by Ryan's antics before the fight.

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Quote from: btc_angela on April 23, 2024, 07:11:42 AM

And the hype is still there for Ryan Garcia, as he released this music videos,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgmP9tpeHFw

Lol, but that's how he is, still capitalizing in his big win and so everyone is jumping on the bandwagon. Everyone is praising him, while there are former boxers like Thurman and Broner hitting on Haney and his dad for this big lost.

Everyone should watch this interview with Ryan Garcia. He talks about everything and how his roadmap from the beginning to the end of this fight with Haney was planned weeks before already. However, I have a question for everyone. Ryan appears to be acting like he is a super jesus, bible, born again, christian who is praising the lord and he said the holy spirit is showing him the future. But is this real or is he trolling everyone again? I reckon it appear that he might be trolling again or he might really be crazy heheheh.

https://youtu.be/LXtXcYUIO0M?si=0VYFi7xJCuo21Jbw

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Quote from: TopTort777 on April 22, 2024, 04:32:57 AM

I like how Devin and his father were talking all the time, that Ryan has got only left hook in his arsenal and that is it. 1 minute of round almost has ended, and Ryan shook Devin with that left hook Cheesy

That is just lol. If Devin knew about that one and only left hood, then why Ryan connected it so clearly Cheesy

Round 7 - same thing landed Devin ass on canvass. Round 10, same left hook. Round 11 - again left.

The only one I feel sorry for was Bill Haney. Watching your kid losing, getting beating and you are not able to give him an advice that Devin waited so much every time when was in the corner is hard.

Father and son relations were on the positive side and their constant conversations were very good. The father must have felt very bad because he couldn't do anything while his son was being defeated there, and I felt sad. A good comeback from Ryan Garcia, he was criticized a lot for having a one dimensional fight with problems for his boxing to step back and only has one weapon in his arsenal and that is the left hook. He shook Haney in one particular way, and in general, Haney took these blows so many times that I was surprised that he could not defend them.

They fall on the strategy made by garcia and this is really brilliant one a history has been created since no one really thought he's gonna win since he make it looks like he's unprepared and caught up by mental issues that's why Haney caught off guard. For sure they are ashamed with that result since no one expect that this will gonna happen but Garcia show up some greatness and exhibit his speed and power. Lots of potential for this guy since for sure we can see more big fights for him. Haney should do a good comeback and think about a rematch since it will be good to see another Garcia and Haney part two soon.

I've heard that Haney and Garcia have met six times in the amateurs before. It was their first official match and there should definitely be a replay of this match. Haney and his father can prepare much better for this match, they should come up with a better game plan for Garcia. If Haney's effective left post had been activated, perhaps the result could have changed in the first game. As you said, Haney's mistake in the first match was that he thought Garcia would not be that strong and fast, so the first two rounds of the match started slowly. After receiving a left hook to his jaw, it affected him for the rest of the fight.

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