Devin Haney vs Ryan Garcia on April 20 - page 5.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on June 04, 2024, 03:05:55 AM

Half of the topic we were discussing the pre fight drama and chances of one guy to beat another, other half of the topic we are discussing post fight drama about Ryan being unclean. When in the end, everyone will remember how Ryan sent Haney on his butt with his left punch. When will Haney stop crying and accept his defeat? Who cares if Garcia missed weight and wasnt clean, Haney is a professional and prodigy boxer, not just an amateur. If Haney is really that good, he should beat two Garcias at once, one handed with eyes closed. But in the end Garcia outstriked him and knocked down three times.

They might put a asterisk on that kind of victory though, just like when Margarito was caught with plaster of paris in this fight fight with Cotto. And during that first fight, we all mock Miguel for taking a knee and can't even hurt Antonio.

But when he was caught in the next fight against Shane Mosley, it was a different Margarito and then Cotto takes a revenge win. So there is this argument as well against Ryan, but the Ostarine issue will be very different unless they have a rematch and see if he is clean and not over the weight limit, he can still beat this version of Devin Haney. And maybe it will break that stigma against him.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on June 04, 2024, 03:05:55 AM

Half of the topic we were discussing the pre fight drama and chances of one guy to beat another, other half of the topic we are discussing post fight drama about Ryan being unclean. When in the end, everyone will remember how Ryan sent Haney on his butt with his left punch. When will Haney stop crying and accept his defeat? Who cares if Garcia missed weight and wasnt clean, Haney is a professional and prodigy boxer, not just an amateur. If Haney is really that good, he should beat two Garcias at once, one handed with eyes closed. But in the end Garcia outstriked him and knocked down three times.

Lol, they underestimated Ryan Garcia, that was their biggest mistake. They let the fight to push through even if Ryan was 3 pounds over the limit as they think that they could beat Ryan's ass even with one hand hehe and not that their perception was wrong, they now turned to other things just to tarnish Garcia's reputation and declared this fight a no-contest.

They've also imposed penalty for every pound that he is over the limit, so I think it's fair to Ryan and Devin's side and just to really push the fight and not totally cancelled by the governing bodies. And there's no belt on the line because of this issues. Anyhow, it's done already, Haney could have underestimated Ryan because he thought that he can take the power.

But it's too much as we have seen that he went down several times and you can see in his body language and face that he really don't know what hit him. Let's wait for the final verdict for Ryan Garcia, his legal team is really doing everything they can to put the peds allegation at the side and not get him suspended.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on June 04, 2024, 03:05:55 AM

Half of the topic we were discussing the pre fight drama and chances of one guy to beat another, other half of the topic we are discussing post fight drama about Ryan being unclean. When in the end, everyone will remember how Ryan sent Haney on his butt with his left punch. When will Haney stop crying and accept his defeat? Who cares if Garcia missed weight and wasnt clean, Haney is a professional and prodigy boxer, not just an amateur. If Haney is really that good, he should beat two Garcias at once, one handed with eyes closed. But in the end Garcia outstriked him and knocked down three times.

Lol, they underestimated Ryan Garcia, that was their biggest mistake. They let the fight to push through even if Ryan was 3 pounds over the limit as they think that they could beat Ryan's ass even with one hand hehe and not that their perception was wrong, they now turned to other things just to tarnish Garcia's reputation and declared this fight a no-contest.

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Quote from: Finestream on June 04, 2024, 01:41:37 AM

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And so a eminent suspension might be the decision here. And Haney's lost change to No Contest.

That's a big blow for Ryan. However, I think the fans would not mind that and they'll continue to believe that Ryan owned Haney. It cannot be denied now that Ryan's popularity is far greater than Haney's. Whatever the outcome of that test/investigation, I believe if Ryan is suspended, it won't be too long for him to consider retirement. Let's allow the case to progress and see if they can destroy what Ryan has achieved in that fight.

I do agree, we can't deny the fact that Ryan Garcia has dominated Haney and even if they turn it to a NC, we have seen how Ryan put down Haney and he has no answered for the left hook or how powerful Ryan is in that fight. It's just that Ryan could have won without steroids (if he intentionally take it), so that it will not put any stain on his record and it's official that Devin Haney is his b**ch.

. Suspension could be the best thing that can happen to Ryan here and not a life time ban. At least he can get back in boxing again if ever because he is still very young.

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Half of the topic we were discussing the pre fight drama and chances of one guy to beat another, other half of the topic we are discussing post fight drama about Ryan being unclean. When in the end, everyone will remember how Ryan sent Haney on his butt with his left punch. When will Haney stop crying and accept his defeat? Who cares if Garcia missed weight and wasnt clean, Haney is a professional and prodigy boxer, not just an amateur. If Haney is really that good, he should beat two Garcias at once, one handed with eyes closed. But in the end Garcia outstriked him and knocked down three times.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on June 04, 2024, 12:47:19 AM

And so a eminent suspension might be the decision here. And Haney's lost change to No Contest.

That's a big blow for Ryan. However, I think the fans would not mind that and they'll continue to believe that Ryan owned Haney. It cannot be denied now that Ryan's popularity is far greater than Haney's. Whatever the outcome of that test/investigation, I believe if Ryan is suspended, it won't be too long for him to consider retirement. Let's allow the case to progress and see if they can destroy what Ryan has achieved in that fight.

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^^ It's just a question on who believed here. And for the legal team, they cast a shadow of a doubt on Ryan so maybe that's what they are trying to say here. If the company is not acknowledging it, then somewhere along the way, Ryan's sample could have been contaminated.

But the burden of proof is still with them though, but it's a good strategy, but not sure of NY State Athletic commission, the one that is hearing Ryan's case is going to favor Garcia. And so a eminent suspension might be the decision here. And Haney's lost change to No Contest.

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And the company clarify things already, Supplement company fires back at Ryan Garcia's claim product contained banned substance.

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"NutraBio has never manufactured a supplement with Ostarine, and has never brought Ostarine into our manufacturing facility," Glazier said in a statement to Fox News Digital. "We have a long-standing commitment to producing the highest-quality supplements, trusted by athletes worldwide.

So it looks like the legal team of Ryan Garcia is trying to manipulate everything and blame it on the supplements. But the CEO clearly states that they don't used Ostarine in their supplements.

Gonna be hard to proved otherwise now for Ryan Garcia and his team to get cleared by NYSAC.

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^^ But I find this conflicting posts,

https://x.com/All4Boxing/status/1796645718360285345

Which one is telling the truth?

And so the plot thickens, usually in manufacturing, all products released are based on lots and if one lot is contaminated, everything is considered contaminated already and it's either recall if released to the public of the company totally stop it and find the issues.

But here, if we based on this reports, it's only the supplement that Ryan's uses of all the lot are supposedly contaminated.

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And according to this report:

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Two supplements listed on doping control forms submitted by star boxer Ryan Garcia before his win over Devin Haney showed the presence of the banned substance ostarine, according to Sports Medicine Research and Testing Laboratory reports released Thursday.

The doping control forms, which were viewed by ESPN, were submitted alongside Garcia's urine-sample collections on April 19 and 20 (the day before and day of the fight), both of which returned adverse findings for ostarine.

The supplements: raspberry-lemonade flavored NutraBio SuperCarb, which showed the presence of ostarine at 70-2200 picograms per gram powder, and Body Health strawberry-flavored amino-acid blend (660-830 picograms). The other supplements Garcia listed on the forms: D3, iron, Thorne elite multivitamins and magnesium glycinate.

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/40248152/two-ryan-garcia-supplements-test-positive-ostarine

So is this the piece of evidence that will exonerate Ryan Garcia that he really did take contaminated supplements that they didn't know have a small units of Ostarine that was found in Ryan Garcia's system?

What will happen to the so called supplement company? This is obviously bad marketing for them. Or why is Ryan using this supplements and not other thousands out there? Has he been using this for a long time and this is the first time that he is caught?

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So it's really very small amount or just traces that they found of Ryan system. And we really don't know what the levels are, but if the lawyer says that it's "ultra low", then it's possible that Ryan could have gotten it from contaminated supplements that has this PEDS without his team knowing.

So what will happen here? you know it's getting complicated already as both camps have their own belief and Ryan has not admitted he used an illegal substance. I think we should just trust this matter to the governing body as I believe they know what to do so the truth will come out and punished Ryan if he needs to be punished.

What we are seeing now is just probably a legal battle, and we know this thing would last, until it will derive a decision, so we can't hype this conversation much as we are not experts, and maybe what we can do is just to speculate, not good. Let's discuss more on the upcoming fights for both fighters, especially Ryan which has no scheduled fight yet.

Yes, it will be a long and deliberate battle for Ryan Garcia's and his team. They can really argue that the trace only very small that it seems that Ryan didn't take it voluntarily. Although it can also be argued that he could also be taking some masking agent to hide Ostarine in his system.

I think the organization has to act on this, they need to improve the system to ensure that a boxer can't cheat. It's done after the fight, it should be before the fight so they can decide if they'll allow a fight ot happen or not. I think what Mayweather demanded before on Pacman was just to ensure that he is not using any enhancement drug, and since the fight happened, I pressume all test were pass by Pacman but its just unfortunate he loss.

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But this is just another lessons to everyone, there have been many cases in the past, but supplements right now are very dangerous and we really don't know what's the content inside until it's too late or damage has been done to us and worst in our body.

Some boxers will just try to cheat to have the advantage on the fight, for sure they are not ignorant about these things as it's a big fight and they are protecting their reputation here, but if they are the inferior fighter, they might use this desperate strategy to win.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on May 28, 2024, 01:24:13 AM

Wow! So this thread is not yet closed. Most likely because the legal battle continues. I checked the records of Ryan Garcia and Devin Haney and their fight are still not voided. What I heard before is that someone gave Ryan 7 days to prove himself clean and it seems like the deadline was over. Are we seeing something shady here? So it means Ryan is clean or at least the levels of substance in his body was just small very low and so he is generally clean?

Yes, most likely because of the issues with his tainted blood and allegations of PEDs, and we have to wait for the final verdict of the NYAC as if I'm not mistaken, they are the one hearing Ryan's case and his legal teams might have submitted everything for consideration.

Quote from: inthelongrun on May 28, 2024, 01:24:13 AM

I really thought Ryan was using illegal substance because I considered VADA as the cleanest and most reliable among drug testing entities. But hopefully the issue ends and that Ryan's win over Haney remains valid. Ryan was already battling a lot leading into the fight, judges and referee were clearly against him as well.

It's really hard to speculate if he intentionally takes illegal substance or he doesn't know that he might have induce a supplement that contains that illegal substance. And only the commission can make the decision whether he is guilty or not and what will be the repercussions on him.

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Wow! So this thread is not yet closed. Most likely because the legal battle continues. I checked the records of Ryan Garcia and Devin Haney and their fight are still not voided. What I heard before is that someone gave Ryan 7 days to prove himself clean and it seems like the deadline was over. Are we seeing something shady here? So it means Ryan is clean or at least the levels of substance in his body was just small very low and so he is generally clean?

I really thought Ryan was using illegal substance because I considered VADA as the cleanest and most reliable among drug testing entities. But hopefully the issue ends and that Ryan's win over Haney remains valid. Ryan was already battling a lot leading into the fight, judges and referee were clearly against him as well.

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Quote from: Distinctin on May 27, 2024, 08:40:47 AM

Quote from: btc_angela on May 27, 2024, 08:10:00 AM

So it's really very small amount or just traces that they found of Ryan system. And we really don't know what the levels are, but if the lawyer says that it's "ultra low", then it's possible that Ryan could have gotten it from contaminated supplements that has this PEDS without his team knowing.

So what will happen here? you know it's getting complicated already as both camps have their own belief and Ryan has not admitted he used an illegal substance. I think we should just trust this matter to the governing body as I believe they know what to do so the truth will come out and punished Ryan if he needs to be punished.

What we are seeing now is just probably a legal battle, and we know this thing would last, until it will derive a decision, so we can't hype this conversation much as we are not experts, and maybe what we can do is just to speculate, not good. Let's discuss more on the upcoming fights for both fighters, especially Ryan which has no scheduled fight yet.

Yes, it will be a long and deliberate battle for Ryan Garcia's and his team. They can really argue that the trace only very small that it seems that Ryan didn't take it voluntarily. Although it can also be argued that he could also be taking some masking agent to hide Ostarine in his system.

But this is just another lessons to everyone, there have been many cases in the past, but supplements right now are very dangerous and we really don't know what's the content inside until it's too late or damage has been done to us and worst in our body.

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Quote from: btc_angela on May 27, 2024, 08:10:00 AM

So it's really very small amount or just traces that they found of Ryan system. And we really don't know what the levels are, but if the lawyer says that it's "ultra low", then it's possible that Ryan could have gotten it from contaminated supplements that has this PEDS without his team knowing.

So what will happen here? you know it's getting complicated already as both camps have their own belief and Ryan has not admitted he used an illegal substance. I think we should just trust this matter to the governing body as I believe they know what to do so the truth will come out and punished Ryan if he needs to be punished.

What we are seeing now is just probably a legal battle, and we know this thing would last, until it will derive a decision, so we can't hype this conversation much as we are not experts, and maybe what we can do is just to speculate, not good. Let's discuss more on the upcoming fights for both fighters, especially Ryan which has no scheduled fight yet.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on May 26, 2024, 08:38:34 PM

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Although Ryan and his legal team is trying to appeal his case, most likely it will remain like that but maybe they can have a lighter sentence.

Ryan’s legal team insists that his ostarine levels were so low that it could have only been caused by contaminated supplements.

You're right,

https://x.com/FightCrack/status/1793690486592676028

Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on May 26, 2024, 08:38:34 PM

I haven’t seen an official report from NYSAC or VADA that says what his levels were but I think this will determine the severity of his punishment. If it is 2 years then we can probably expect Ryan to do some influencer fights against the Paul brothers and other z-list celebrities.

So it's really very small amount or just traces that they found of Ryan system. And we really don't know what the levels are, but if the lawyer says that it's "ultra low", then it's possible that Ryan could have gotten it from contaminated supplements that has this PEDS without his team knowing.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on May 26, 2024, 08:38:34 PM

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Although Ryan and his legal team is trying to appeal his case, most likely it will remain like that but maybe they can have a lighter sentence.

Ryan’s legal team insists that his ostarine levels were so low that it could have only been caused by contaminated supplements. I haven’t seen an official report from NYSAC or VADA that says what his levels were but I think this will determine the severity of his punishment. If it is 2 years then we can probably expect Ryan to do some influencer fights against the Paul brothers and other z-list celebrities.

Good observation though, I mean he could still earn millions fighting influencer or whoever wanted to have a piece of Ryan. Or maybe O'Malley from the UFC? That will be big and it will be a shocker if Dana White will allow it. In any case, it's not the end of the world for Ryan. And his antics though, that's what fans love about it, crazy but enough to create a lot of hype on this fight.

And I guess Ostarine is really prevalent, as in the case of a young athlete, Abby Raymond, she is a weight lifter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9tVERZHsBY

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Quote from: Kemarit on May 26, 2024, 02:24:12 PM

Although Ryan and his legal team is trying to appeal his case, most likely it will remain like that but maybe they can have a lighter sentence.

Ryan’s legal team insists that his ostarine levels were so low that it could have only been caused by contaminated supplements. I haven’t seen an official report from NYSAC or VADA that says what his levels were but I think this will determine the severity of his punishment. If it is 2 years then we can probably expect Ryan to do some influencer fights against the Paul brothers and other z-list celebrities.

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I remember now, there is Amir Khan who tested positive with the same ban substance with his fight with Kell Brook and he was given 2 years suspension. Although it is already a moot point since he has retired already, but maybe we can compare as how long the suspension of Ryan Garcia is.

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British boxer Amir Khan has been banned for two years after an anti-doping test revealed the presence of a banned substance following his fight against Kell Brook in February 2022.

The former light-welterweight world champion tested positive for ostarine.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/65173545

Although Ryan and his legal team is trying to appeal his case, most likely it will remain like that but maybe they can have a lighter sentence.

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Quote from: Baofeng on May 26, 2024, 04:14:22 AM

It will be just suspension, I reckon, Ryan Garcia will still continue to box and will have another high profile fight maybe early this year. He is the new face of boxing and this governing bodies are going to give him that shot next, no matter what.

But for sure his team will be careful on what he did take or what he will take in the next fight just to clear the air with the PEDS.

Perhaps it gives him faster time to recover or build muscles fast so that he will have more power and probably it's the reason why he is bloated and didn't care to make the weight limit of 140 lbs.

One year suspension would be fine for him, at least he can rest for awhile and reflect on the mistakes he made. Ryan is very popular, and the boxing industry need someone like him who can draw a crowd as he is fun to watch. We will be waiting for the decision, but for now, expect some good news from Ryan's camp of his next fight, hopefully it's a championship fight as he had already proven he is ready again after beating Haney although it was tagged as cheating due to the result of the test.

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