Did we actually really land on moon? - page 25.

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Quote from: notbatman on July 09, 2019, 06:00:36 PM

^^^ You'll note that two (2) measurements are required for calculating distance and measuring size along with, the eye's angular resolution limit and viewing height.

One reading (with a sextant) is taken at the horizon (0 degrees) when refraction is at a maximum and, one reading is taken at 90 degrees when refraction is at a minimum (zero refraction).

All you give me to work with is fantasy art made in Photoshop, and an arbitrarily decided apparent size for an imaginary object in an imaginary unbounded space.

Actually, the trig proofs for size and orbital mechanics of the Sun and Moon are irrefutable. That's the nature of a large number of mathematical proofs.

So the discussion really is either about how does NotBat expand his knowledge of trig to where he must accept this, or what parts of science he ignores to retain this position.

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Quote from: notbatman on July 09, 2019, 06:00:36 PM

^^^ You'll note that two (2) measurements are required for calculating distance and measuring size along with, the eye's angular resolution limit and viewing height.

One reading (with a sextant) is taken at the horizon (0 degrees) when refraction is at a maximum and, one reading is taken at 90 degrees when refraction is at a minimum (zero refraction).

All you give me to work with is fantasy art made in Photoshop, and an arbitrarily decided apparent size for an imaginary object in an imaginary unbounded space.

Except that the eye's angular resolution limit changes at any time with a telescope or binoculars.

Depending on the height of the eye above the land - like 6 feet or 1 foot or 100 feet, etc. - 90 degrees only shows an infinite distance slightly above the horizon... if the sun is directly overhead.

All you give anybody to work with is fantasy graphics, and an unprovable/unproved arbitrary size for the sun and any other object.

This means that the people who have provable info are the ones to work with.

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^^^ You'll note that two (2) measurements are required for calculating distance and measuring size along with, the eye's angular resolution limit and viewing height.

One reading (with a sextant) is taken at the horizon (0 degrees) when refraction is at a maximum and, one reading is taken at 90 degrees when refraction is at a minimum (zero refraction).

All you give me to work with is fantasy art made in Photoshop, and an arbitrarily decided apparent size for an imaginary object in an imaginary unbounded space.

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Quote from: Astargath on July 09, 2019, 02:25:23 PM

Quote from: Spendulus on July 09, 2019, 01:30:37 PM

Quote from: notbatman on July 09, 2019, 08:37:55 AM

I'll just leave this here.

1965 scientist claims the moon is plasma - UNCUT | RetroFocus -- https://youtu.be/XhIwZuPGfss

You're leaving off the really good part of the intro text to the video -

The ABC has been unable to confirm Mr Foster’s identity beyond the entry in the production notebook from 1965: “People – Int Tasmanian Professor (FOSTER)”.

We have also been unable to find any documentation of his work.

STOP IT, YOU ARE DOING SOME REAL RESEARCH, HOW DARE YOU? He often does that or miss-quotes people or simply doesn't understand the quotes, like the famous quote he keeps posting about that guy who said they had to Photoshop images of the earth, the idiot doesn't realize that he said that because most images from space are small areas of the earth. I showed him a full image of earth by the russian ''nasa'' and he still denied it.

Really.

Well, Notbat has recently been showing off his trig skills, so I would expect he could estimate the distance out from which the Earth would comprise 30 degrees in the field of view.

The bizarre reliance on Youtube for Truthy is odd.

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Quote from: Astargath on July 09, 2019, 02:25:23 PM

"... STOP IT, YOU ARE DOING SOME REAL RESEARCH, HOW DARE YOU? He often does that or miss-quotes people or simply doesn't understand the quotes, like the famous quote he keeps posting about that guy who said they had to Photoshop images of the earth, the idiot doesn't realize that he said that because most images from space are small areas of the earth. I showed him a full image of earth by the russian ''nasa'' and he still denied it."

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Quote from: Spendulus on July 09, 2019, 01:30:37 PM

Quote from: notbatman on July 09, 2019, 08:37:55 AM

I'll just leave this here.

1965 scientist claims the moon is plasma - UNCUT | RetroFocus -- https://youtu.be/XhIwZuPGfss

You're leaving off the really good part of the intro text to the video -

The ABC has been unable to confirm Mr Foster’s identity beyond the entry in the production notebook from 1965: “People – Int Tasmanian Professor (FOSTER)”.

We have also been unable to find any documentation of his work.

So you're saying it's Fake News from 1965 made by "Paid anti-American propagandists", damn those those Australian shitposters!

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Quote from: Spendulus on July 09, 2019, 01:30:37 PM

Quote from: notbatman on July 09, 2019, 08:37:55 AM

I'll just leave this here.

1965 scientist claims the moon is plasma - UNCUT | RetroFocus -- https://youtu.be/XhIwZuPGfss

You're leaving off the really good part of the intro text to the video -

The ABC has been unable to confirm Mr Foster’s identity beyond the entry in the production notebook from 1965: “People – Int Tasmanian Professor (FOSTER)”.

We have also been unable to find any documentation of his work.

STOP IT, YOU ARE DOING SOME REAL RESEARCH, HOW DARE YOU? He often does that or miss-quotes people or simply doesn't understand the quotes, like the famous quote he keeps posting about that guy who said they had to Photoshop images of the earth, the idiot doesn't realize that he said that because most images from space are small areas of the earth. I showed him a full image of earth by the russian ''nasa'' and he still denied it.

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Quote from: notbatman on July 09, 2019, 08:37:55 AM

I'll just leave this here.

1965 scientist claims the moon is plasma - UNCUT | RetroFocus -- https://youtu.be/XhIwZuPGfss

You're leaving off the really good part of the intro text to the video -

The ABC has been unable to confirm Mr Foster’s identity beyond the entry in the production notebook from 1965: “People – Int Tasmanian Professor (FOSTER)”.

We have also been unable to find any documentation of his work.

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Quote from: notbatman on July 09, 2019, 09:13:22 AM

Quote from: Astargath on July 09, 2019, 08:42:22 AM

Quote from: notbatman on July 09, 2019, 08:37:55 AM

I'll just leave this here.

1965 scientist claims the moon is plasma - UNCUT | RetroFocus -- https://youtu.be/XhIwZuPGfss

Uhh nice, a youtube video, what a surprise, your favorite source of research.

"The Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) is Australia's national broadcaster founded in 1929. It is currently principally funded by the direct grants from the Australian government, but is expressly independent of government and partisan politics. The ABC plays a leading role in journalistic independence and is fundamental in the history of broadcasting in Australia. ..." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Broadcasting_Corporation

ABC News (Australia) -- https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVgO39Bk5sMo66-6o6Spn6Q

Your brain works in a funny way. Lets say we have around 10000 scientists who say we did go to the moon. If you find one that says we didnt or claims some other crazy shit, boom you jump head first and believe that one guy, why? Perhaps its because of your need to feel special, to feel there is a purpose and that not everything is a random mess? I know reality can be hard but its still fun.

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Quote from: Astargath on July 09, 2019, 08:42:22 AM

Quote from: notbatman on July 09, 2019, 08:37:55 AM

I'll just leave this here.

1965 scientist claims the moon is plasma - UNCUT | RetroFocus -- https://youtu.be/XhIwZuPGfss

Uhh nice, a youtube video, what a surprise, your favorite source of research.

"The Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) is Australia's national broadcaster founded in 1929. It is currently principally funded by the direct grants from the Australian government, but is expressly independent of government and partisan politics. The ABC plays a leading role in journalistic independence and is fundamental in the history of broadcasting in Australia. ..." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Broadcasting_Corporation

ABC News (Australia) -- https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVgO39Bk5sMo66-6o6Spn6Q

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Quote from: notbatman on July 09, 2019, 08:37:55 AM

I'll just leave this here.

1965 scientist claims the moon is plasma - UNCUT | RetroFocus -- https://youtu.be/XhIwZuPGfss

Uhh nice, a youtube video, what a surprise, your favorite source of research.

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I'll just leave this here.

1965 scientist claims the moon is plasma - UNCUT | RetroFocus -- https://youtu.be/XhIwZuPGfss

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Quote from: Spendulus on July 08, 2019, 10:30:08 PM

Quote from: Jake052478 on July 08, 2019, 10:02:31 PM

There are some skeptics thinks that we don't actually landed on the moon. ....

Paid anti-American propagandists.

Quote from: Jake052478 on July 08, 2019, 10:02:31 PM

...In 1969, technology was not that advance yet and nowadays, many attempts were failed....

1969 pressurized jet aircraft were flying passengers around the world just like today.

1969 technology was perfectly fine for the Moon missions. This is demonstratedly true.

If you think somehow 1969 tech wasn't capable, be my guest; show how it was not adequate.

And street cars were much faster and more powerful back then, right out of the factory.

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Quote from: Jake052478 on July 08, 2019, 10:02:31 PM

There are some skeptics thinks that we don't actually landed on the moon. ....

Paid anti-American propagandists.

Quote from: Jake052478 on July 08, 2019, 10:02:31 PM

...In 1969, technology was not that advance yet and nowadays, many attempts were failed....

1969 pressurized jet aircraft were flying passengers around the world just like today.

1969 technology was perfectly fine for the Moon missions. This is demonstratedly true.

If you think somehow 1969 tech wasn't capable, be my guest; show how it was not adequate.

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I will do wonder for YOU!!!

There are some skeptics thinks that we don't actually landed on the moon. Many documentaries nowadays disproved our claim that we indeed have reach or ever landed. In 1969, technology was not that advance yet and nowadays, many attempts were failed. Hmmm... aside from that, the examination being made with the skeptics somehow is convincing... I don't know but I myself made me a believer to their claim.. how about you...

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Quote from: iamsheikhadil on June 03, 2019, 01:51:39 AM

Ok, don't throw me into the same basket for the believers of conspiracy theories.

I believe Earth is NOT flat. I don't believe there are aliens in Area 51.

But this question is factually not very convincing and it is, did we actually land on moon in 1969.

There are many compelling evidences, facts etc that proves that indeed we landed on moon.

But even in 21st century where there an accident with Kalpana Chawla who merely went to space and came back, it sounds too good to be true that in 1969, we landed on the moon which is around 300000 kms or 186000 miles from the Earth with those time of technologies and successfully came back. Remember, the first apple computer was launched in 1976.

I'm not saying we didn't, I'm just saying that it's not really a question that can be debunked like other theories which says Earth is flat.

if you are saying that the there are actual aliens in this world then you are in big mistake because these are all such conspiracy to make money and have the investors for the money. and if you have seen in picture then now a days all is possible with the help of computrized things.

and we may have step on the moon but there is no chance of living on the moon surface, all are the money and power conspiracy nothing else.

so take no tension there is nothing to haunt or to be afraid of these things Wink

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Quote from: BADecker on July 07, 2019, 08:54:24 PM

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I guess you're right. After all, if it wasn't for the government and its agency (NASA), we'd have been to the stars by now: To the stars by atom bomb: The incredible tale of the top secret Orion Project.
......

Might not get you to the stars, but that technique could certainly reshape high value asteroid orbits.

Why are you wasting my time with things like that? We're busy here talking about barbecuing
the extinct race of Giant Titans.

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Quote from: Spendulus on July 07, 2019, 04:46:35 PM

Quote from: BADecker on July 07, 2019, 04:29:14 PM

Quote from: Spendulus on July 06, 2019, 10:24:18 PM

Quote from: MoonsGravity on July 06, 2019, 10:14:44 PM

Spotty logic. You have doubts because technology 50 years ago was lesser than technology now. You have to ask yourself why wouldn't the Apollo computer be capable of doing what it did. You're basically ignorant on the matter.

The Apollo flight computer was demonstrably capable. Anyone can verify this by using one of the simulators.

This was quite literally the first personal computer, predating dos, Linus, anything like windows or OS X.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer

Your ability to type these messages online is the result of Apollo.

What you are really trying to say is, NASA mooned us all, right?

Grin

Actually, no. Like any government agency, NASA can do little or nothing by itself. The work and the creativity, with rare exceptions, is the result of contractors who seldom get credit.

Over a half million Americans worked in getting the Apollo program to succeed. They remain largely nameless, and the government and its agency takes credit.

At least, that's true when taking a superficial look.

I guess you're right. After all, if it wasn't for the government and its agency (NASA), we'd have been to the stars by now: To the stars by atom bomb: The incredible tale of the top secret Orion Project.

Or does that mean I was right... about them mooning us?

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Quote from: BADecker on July 07, 2019, 04:29:14 PM

Quote from: Spendulus on July 06, 2019, 10:24:18 PM

Quote from: MoonsGravity on July 06, 2019, 10:14:44 PM

Spotty logic. You have doubts because technology 50 years ago was lesser than technology now. You have to ask yourself why wouldn't the Apollo computer be capable of doing what it did. You're basically ignorant on the matter.

The Apollo flight computer was demonstrably capable. Anyone can verify this by using one of the simulators.

This was quite literally the first personal computer, predating dos, Linus, anything like windows or OS X.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer

Your ability to type these messages online is the result of Apollo.

What you are really trying to say is, NASA mooned us all, right?

Grin

Actually, no. Like any government agency, NASA can do little or nothing by itself. The work and the creativity, with rare exceptions, is the result of contractors who seldom get credit.

Over a half million Americans worked in getting the Apollo program to succeed. They remain largely nameless, and the government and its agency takes credit.

At least, that's true when taking a superficial look.

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Don't think so. How did the moon rover get up there? Official documents say it was collapsible and in the trunk of the lander BUT the chassis of the rover on all pictures seems to be continuous. How did they do it?

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Quote from: Spendulus on July 06, 2019, 10:24:18 PM

Quote from: MoonsGravity on July 06, 2019, 10:14:44 PM

Spotty logic. You have doubts because technology 50 years ago was lesser than technology now. You have to ask yourself why wouldn't the Apollo computer be capable of doing what it did. You're basically ignorant on the matter.

The Apollo flight computer was demonstrably capable. Anyone can verify this by using one of the simulators.

This was quite literally the first personal computer, predating dos, Linus, anything like windows or OS X.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer

Your ability to type these messages online is the result of Apollo.

What you are really trying to say is, NASA mooned us all, right?

Grin

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