I think it's good idea to open discussion topic and keep Overview thread for updates only.
About KYC to get payment from campaign - personally I would never joing signature campaign which would require KYC in order to get paid. But if some people are fine with such rules, then it's OK. I saw that some people are ready to sell their sensitive private data for much less money. But it's good to read kardiachain campaign decided to change rules for payment after getting negative opinion from community.
Topic: 📝[Discussion topic] Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns📝 - page 19. (Read 6442 times)
June 15, 2021, 02:34:24 PM
June 15, 2021, 10:31:24 AM
I'd say, we should step up the precautionary measures
like
1. Adding a warning emoji (⚠️) alongside the red asterisk
2. The "having some trouble" could also be seen as something light, maybe we could add "/involved with scam accusations" or something
3. huge caution note on top that nothing is endorsed and users are advised to DYOR
At this point there's no way to actually miss it, and if someone still went their way despite the warning signs, then they did it deliberately, and ppl like that are out of our control...
like
1. Adding a warning emoji (⚠️) alongside the red asterisk
2. The "having some trouble" could also be seen as something light, maybe we could add "/involved with scam accusations" or something
3. huge caution note on top that nothing is endorsed and users are advised to DYOR
At this point there's no way to actually miss it, and if someone still went their way despite the warning signs, then they did it deliberately, and ppl like that are out of our control...
June 15, 2021, 10:13:15 AM
Update for the kardiachain campaign
That's a good thing. KYC shouldn't be enforced in signature campaign payments even indirectly The Management decided to change the payment method to Bitcoin wallet after a series of discussion with me.
Another suggestion is maybe @Mitchell can link this thread in the MAIN (1st post in overview of sig camps) so it won't be easier to miss?
Yes Mitchell add a link to the main topic. Thanks1xbit knows we have limited tools and knowing that they are taking the advantages of it. When we are listing their campaign, then we are giving the users a false impression that this is a legit campaign (at least for long time I used to think that whatever we have in the list are controversy free and legit to join). We all know they are proven scammers. Let's not give them much exposure by listing them on this prestigious table.
I agree with you. I don't want to see them in the table but Mitchell and ralle14 expressed their point of view which I respect. The red asterisk should give a warning to users although I find it confusing since signature campaign with payments delay for example could have the same asterisk. I don't know if it worth modify the red asterisk to
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* means scam accusations against the campaign. Participants could receive negative red trusts for promoting it.
* means that the campaign is currently having some trouble. Joining is not recommended.
Otherwise, this topic, in addition to scam accusations, reputation and meta subs should point them and participants will learn it the hard way, unfortunately for some of them. * means that the campaign is currently having some trouble. Joining is not recommended.
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June 15, 2021, 04:33:21 AM
Now it's better. It was getting super annoying lately to see discussion on the other thread until this was posted by OP https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.57231606
I was reading about 1xbit and Kardiachain campaign to have KYC there.
I was reading about 1xbit and Kardiachain campaign to have KYC there.
I totally agree with you ralle14. I can understand the relectunace to add 1xbit, but we have the red asterik exactly for that reason. The whole point of this topic has always been to link all Bitcoin paying campaigns. In the end, it's up to the person to decide if they want to join or not. Not listing them won't prevent users from finding them (especially not now, since people have mentioned them in this topic).
Thank you for bringing up the situation though, that is very much appreciated and should warn people (at least to some extend).
1xbit knows we have limited tools and knowing that they are taking the advantages of it. When we are listing their campaign, then we are giving the users a false impression that this is a legit campaign (at least for long time I used to think that whatever we have in the list are controversy free and legit to join). We all know they are proven scammers. Let's not give them much exposure by listing them on this prestigious table. Thank you for bringing up the situation though, that is very much appreciated and should warn people (at least to some extend).
June 15, 2021, 01:29:47 AM
Update for the kardiachain campaign
Another suggestion is maybe @Mitchell can link this thread in the MAIN (1st post in overview of sig camps) so it won't be easier to miss?
The Management decided to change the payment method to Bitcoin wallet after a series of discussion with me.
Another suggestion is maybe @Mitchell can link this thread in the MAIN (1st post in overview of sig camps) so it won't be easier to miss?
June 14, 2021, 06:15:14 PM
Campaign: Kardiachain Signature Campaign | Accesible Blockchain for Millions
Manager : Coin_trader
Who can participate : Sr.Member (5), Hero/Legendary (10), total 15 slots.
Payment : Sr.Member - 20$/week, Hero/Legendary - 40$/week, payment is made to your Binance Pay account.
Rules:At least 20 posts per week, at least 5 posts in Altcoin boards, at least 3 merit in 120 days.
Posts are not counted in: Off-Topic, Games & Rounds, Bounty/Signature threads and threads in which the signature is not visible.
Manager : Coin_trader
Who can participate : Sr.Member (5), Hero/Legendary (10), total 15 slots.
Payment : Sr.Member - 20$/week, Hero/Legendary - 40$/week, payment is made to your Binance Pay account.
Rules:At least 20 posts per week, at least 5 posts in Altcoin boards, at least 3 merit in 120 days.
Posts are not counted in: Off-Topic, Games & Rounds, Bounty/Signature threads and threads in which the signature is not visible.
On this campaign they are also not require any KYC directly. But the site or payment method they will use to send the payment require kyc as binance, bitsler and many more sites require KYC to make higher transaction on their website. So, I do not think they are doing something different than this.
Well, you are basically saying that you can participate the campaign without doing any KYC. But if you want to get paid, you need to do KYC. Lol
this is different from past campaigns i have seen...
Maybe someone who participated in one of those past campaigns can confirm.
I also don't understand why they don't just deposit the rewards in the Binance accounts? it's just Bitcoin.
If they were aiming at promoting Binance Pay, then don't think anyone participating is just going to spend the rewards using Binance Pay anyway.
June 14, 2021, 03:14:36 PM
Adding campaign details:
Well, you are basically saying that you can participate the campaign without doing any KYC. But if you want to get paid, you need to do KYC. Lol
this is different from past campaigns i have seen...
Campaign: Kardiachain Signature Campaign | Accesible Blockchain for Millions
Manager : Coin_trader
Who can participate : Sr.Member (5), Hero/Legendary (10), total 15 slots.
Payment : Sr.Member - 20$/week, Hero/Legendary - 40$/week, payment is made to your Binance Pay account.
Rules:At least 20 posts per week, at least 5 posts in Altcoin boards, at least 3 merit in 120 days.
Posts are not counted in: Off-Topic, Games & Rounds, Bounty/Signature threads and threads in which the signature is not visible.
Manager : Coin_trader
Who can participate : Sr.Member (5), Hero/Legendary (10), total 15 slots.
Payment : Sr.Member - 20$/week, Hero/Legendary - 40$/week, payment is made to your Binance Pay account.
Rules:At least 20 posts per week, at least 5 posts in Altcoin boards, at least 3 merit in 120 days.
Posts are not counted in: Off-Topic, Games & Rounds, Bounty/Signature threads and threads in which the signature is not visible.
Well, you are basically saying that you can participate the campaign without doing any KYC. But if you want to get paid, you need to do KYC. Lol
this is different from past campaigns i have seen...
I am not sure why the manager here complicated. Okay, he holds funds on Binance and maybe this is a method with a small fee, but as I know it's possible to have an account there without passing KYC and internal transaction are also free of charge fees.
So, Binance + internal transfer can be possible without fee and without KYC.
yet if we consider the very low payment rate, I guess the campaign owner doesn’t care much about the participants and the quality of the campaign itself.
June 14, 2021, 02:43:16 PM
As you all know Mitchell topic is dedicated only for updating the table and local rules prohibit discussion.
Code:
Discussion about campaigns are strictly forbidden (unless it's really relevant, which in 99% of the cases, it isn't).
However, sometimes there is grey zone where discussion should occur to alert from possible scam running campaigns, protesting on low payments campaigns or some (hidden) rules imposed by other ones (KYC) and so on... Good idea. I will follow the discussion here then:
Adding campaign details:
Campaign: Kardiachain Signature Campaign | Accesible Blockchain for Millions
Manager : Coin_trader
Who can participate : Sr.Member (5), Hero/Legendary (10), total 15 slots.
Payment : Sr.Member - 20$/week, Hero/Legendary - 40$/week, payment is made to your Binance Pay account.
Rules:At least 20 posts per week, at least 5 posts in Altcoin boards, at least 3 merit in 120 days.
Posts are not counted in: Off-Topic, Games & Rounds, Bounty/Signature threads and threads in which the signature is not visible.
Manager : Coin_trader
Who can participate : Sr.Member (5), Hero/Legendary (10), total 15 slots.
Payment : Sr.Member - 20$/week, Hero/Legendary - 40$/week, payment is made to your Binance Pay account.
Rules:At least 20 posts per week, at least 5 posts in Altcoin boards, at least 3 merit in 120 days.
Posts are not counted in: Off-Topic, Games & Rounds, Bounty/Signature threads and threads in which the signature is not visible.
On this campaign they are also not require any KYC directly. But the site or payment method they will use to send the payment require kyc as binance, bitsler and many more sites require KYC to make higher transaction on their website. So, I do not think they are doing something different than this.
Well, you are basically saying that you can participate the campaign without doing any KYC. But if you want to get paid, you need to do KYC. Lol
this is different from past campaigns i have seen...
June 14, 2021, 10:55:40 AM
So, my 3 cents ..
[1] Regardless of whether my data ends up in the hands of a manager or a sponsor of a sig campaign - KYC shit'
[2] In order not to be moved to the "Service (Altcoins)" section, the campaign must pay at least 50% of the reward in BTC'
[3] For a campaign to be eligible to enter the register, the payment must be at least the average'
[4] I am not impressed by statements like "what the fuck is the difference that a campaign pays 5 bucks if it pays in bitcoins" [see point 3]
[1] Regardless of whether my data ends up in the hands of a manager or a sponsor of a sig campaign - KYC shit'
[2] In order not to be moved to the "Service (Altcoins)" section, the campaign must pay at least 50% of the reward in BTC'
[3] For a campaign to be eligible to enter the register, the payment must be at least the average'
[4] I am not impressed by statements like "what the fuck is the difference that a campaign pays 5 bucks if it pays in bitcoins" [see point 3]
June 14, 2021, 10:45:01 AM
This is the unofficial discussion topic for "Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns"
Original topic by Mitchell (updates only): https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/overview-of-bitcointalk-signature-ad-campaigns-last-update-01-jan-23-615953
As you all know Mitchell topic is dedicated only for updating the table and local rules prohibit discussion.
In order to keep this topic as clean and useful as possible, I call everyone to follow this form when starting a discussion (just an example, can be changed if anyone has better opinion):
Original topic by Mitchell (updates only): https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/overview-of-bitcointalk-signature-ad-campaigns-last-update-01-jan-23-615953
As you all know Mitchell topic is dedicated only for updating the table and local rules prohibit discussion.
Code:
Discussion about campaigns are strictly forbidden (unless it's really relevant, which in 99% of the cases, it isn't).
However, sometimes there is grey zone where discussion should occur to alert from possible scam running campaigns, protesting on low payments campaigns or some (hidden) rules imposed by other ones (KYC) and so on... In order to keep this topic as clean and useful as possible, I call everyone to follow this form when starting a discussion (just an example, can be changed if anyone has better opinion):
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Signature campaign link:
Problem (title):
Problem (discussion):
Obviously responses to the started discussion doesn't require to repeat this form, only a quote (of signature campaign name) followed by the answer should be more than enough. Overview topic link:
Signature campaign link:
Problem (title):
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