Topic: Do not trust suchmoon, a blatant trust abuser. - page 4. (Read 2394 times)

Your concerns regarding suchmoon, actmyname and marlboroza have been noted. Any chance you could stop endlessly spamming nonsense now?

We can see that at least one of the DT1 members has an alt account included on DT2, what makes you think that other DT1 members are not doing the same? normal members are giving their alt accounts merits, what makes you think that DT members are not giving their own alt accounts positive trust?

I'd like to advise against trusting suchmoon, actmyname and marlboroza with anything. this is based on my own personal interactions with them, I believe that they are not honest and are abusing merit and trust system for their own personal gains, whether it to be for bullying other forum members or to give their friends merits and +trust. suchmoon has given positive trust to counter a negative trust given by a reputable forum member. he/she is abusing his DT power.

If you read the reference of his red trust on me, there is no attempt of scam. I have asked for money in exchange for my time, however after seeing the community's reaction to my behavior I have decided to change my behavior and now am offering a free service, yet suchmoon insists on holding my reputation hostage. this person shouldn't be trusted.

Slippery slope fallacy with no basis in fact. I could say that the hypothetical "someone" would appreciate the early warning regarding shady shit involving their potential trading partner and that would make DT more useful as a prevention tool in addition to being a scammer labeling tool. On the other hand the hypothetical scenario that you're describing is a good use case for an exclusion. So why don't you exclude me with all your alts and move on.

Not sure WTF "premptative" means but if you need to invent new words to make a point then you lost the argument.

A hypocrite scammer and his concern trolling at its finest:

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It's time to let these threads go or at least consolidate them into one.

Here is the problem. When someone is deciding if they want to trade with him, they will know that a negative rating means “~this person scammed you or you strongly believe he is a scammer” and when they review his ratings they will see this doesn’t really match the situation so they might decide to trust him, at least a little bit. Next this person trading with diagran reviews the ratings of someone else they are considering to trade with and it is the same situation, they aren’t really a scammer but have negative ratings. Eventually this person will stop relying on negative ratings because they do frequently are given for those who aren’t really scammers and eventually trust an actual scammer with negative trust.

If you don’t find someone trustworthy but have no evidence they are a scammer, you should not give them positive trust and you can warn others in sales threads if you wish. Pretty much everyone has no reason to be trusted but shouldn’t have negative trust and isn’t necessarily a scammer. If someone doesn’t have positive ratings from reputable sources anyone trading with them should take precautions to protect themselves, no premptative negative rating is required for this.

Ummm... that's the whole point behind the trust system... he doesn't trust you, so he gave you negative trust.


Suchmoon didn't tag you for trying to offer a service in exchange for money... they tagged you for offering a service that you could not possibly provide in exchange for money (with no refunds). There is quite a large distinction between those two things.

I believe that suchmoon has made this distinction pretty clear.

The reason I stated this is that digaran started that thread (the one I negged him for) AFTER he got marlboroza to reconsider the first neg. That is a very deliberate action that makes me think digaran is unable to stay out of trouble, and that's pretty much what I stated in my feedback.

Not everything has to fit your made-up DT template, Mr. Know-It-All-Escrow-Scammer.


Stop lying. I don't want that. For reasons stated above.


Yet you're refusing to contact DT1 members. Let's get it over with.

Stop stalking me. soon you all will lose the trust of this community. we can see that you all are using merit and trust system for your own personal gains.  for example a known extortionist who is also a merit source has merited "yes" with 5 sMerits. why? because he doesn't know how not to use merit/trust as a personal tool.

The fact that I have offered a service in exchange for money and got tagged for it shows that suchmoon is trying to sabotage me here. who the fuck are any of you to tell me that my time is not worth money and I can't ask for money in exchange for my time?

Why are you blind? suchmoon didn't tag me accurately the first time, he only tagged me for the second time after I pointed out his misuse of the DT power. then he said that he wont remove his tag under any circumstances. no chance of appeal and no chance of changing his mind. he wants me tagged no matter what I do. tell me if that is not abuse of power. we live in a civilized world, acting like this is barbaric. I have asked him to remove his first tag on me to discuss terms about removing the second tag, he said in a PM that I have a meltdown and he is not going to remove them.

What he wants is that I should earn his trust, how can I do that? by doing a trade with him? that is wrong and trust farming. by agreeing with him and suck for him? I wont do it. I want him to tag me for the right reason, not because he doesn't trust me. whatever I do to earn his trust would be wrong. I don't need his trust or respect. I don't want to have anything to do with him. he is an irresponsible person and a bully, he should be removed from DT. even if he removes his tags on me, he still should be removed. all he is doing is holding people down.

The trust system is too over-rated,yes. But it is what it is. People trust that green shit too much. Some DT members don't bother to explain their ratings sometimes,but suchmoon is fair in his ratings and judgement,from what I have seen. Suchmoon explained this case very well,whilst digaran didn't even bother to look at the reference.

Imagine if DT network gets even more decentralized,shit will get fucked up even more. Maybe a whole redo of DT network may change things for the better.

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He wants more than just mere attention. He wants to help the community(?). Probably not,but you never know. He almost left bitcointalk but alas.

I see the point you are making, but in this particular instance I don't see this being relevant. There certainly is no lack of willingness to discuss the ratings left on digaran. I don't believe anyone here to be lacking consideration for verifiable facts, besides digaran, and it seems like the general opinion of the community is that he's an untrustworthy troll. If the system is at fault for other problems, then that is to be discussed there; the grievances you claim in your post with the system and DT members are not applicable in this case. Unless, I'm missing something, in which case I'd love to hear it.

I guess some people just don't trust trolls and I don't blame them. Is diagran a scammer? There's no evidence for that. Is he untrustworthy? I wouldn't trust him exactly because of his behaviour. He's done several shady (or at the very least stupid) things and this is what happens when you spend your time acting like a buffoon and trolling because people don't know whether to take you seriously or not. I kinda felt sorry for him at first but I think he probably enjoys the attention of being an outcast now and isn't going to change so he's likely a lost cause.

I would not put that much trust in the "system". Especially considering the lack of willingness to even discuss trust ratings by those in DT, and the lack of consideration of verifiable facts and the opinion of the community of a whole of those in DT when handing out ratings.

Yeah, which explains the current trust rating that is being portrayed in digaran's account. The negative trust that DT members have left him are only because of digaran's behavior. Had he been straightforward from start, who knows things would have been different.

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If he knew what he was doing:
- He would have known why he was tagged.
- He would have known who added suchmoon to DT.
- He would have not offered a service that would lead him nowhere.
- He wouldn't have even got his neg tag had he knew his shit.
- He wouldn't ignore the truth that is straight up clear.
- He wouldn't be trolling or harassing anybody.
- He wouldn't be asking asking the same question again and again.

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I can go on and on and I have a lot more references to link. 

The reason why I'd vouch for you and respect your opinion and judgement, you are not going to tag me because you know that would be a personal use of your DT power. but please don't call me by your own name. we all know that you are the dog in this community. you are the one biting people all the time, I still respect your judgement and would vouch for you even if you tag me. I wont complain if you tag me. let this be here for the records. that's how much I believe in you.

Go extort people and say that it was a sting operation. now we're the village idiots.

I like to think of him in a similar vein to the crazy homeless person/drunk/drug addict, the bloke who shouts about UFO's and how the moon landing was faked.

Diagram is a cross between the village idiot/a homeless person/a much more retarded forest gump and the bloke of the green mile who kept the mouse..

Yeah. The truth hurts which is why you keep trying to formulate all these pea-brained conspiracy theories about how the forum works. I have zero alt accounts. I am not colluding with DefaultTrust members - in fact, I don't even message them on a regular basis.

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You've already resorted to lashing out incessantly with toxic bullshit. That's why you're being responded to. Not harrassed.

The only reason you think that you're being singled out is that your ego is so monstrously overinflated like a hernia-afflicted scrotum, the cognitive dissonance within you is just begging for an explanation, no matter how incorrigibly inane it is. But it's clear that you're past sensibilities and will now sway it away with another asinine word salad.

I see digaran more as a crazy neighbor that you don't take all that seriously because he's obviously deranged.  Or like a little dog who's chained up all day outside--he'll bite his own tail and bark at anything that moves.  He makes a ton of noise but you know he can't hurt you, and at the end of the day it's his own tail that's bleeding.

That's why I haven't left a neg for him.  I would also suggest that he visit whoever is prescribing that fluoxetine and perhaps have a discussion about whether the dose needs to be tweaked or perhaps something needs to be added to it, or an additional diagnosis needs to be made.

LOL.

No - you need to realise that you are a prized wankface prized cunt.


you probably enjoy sucking yourself when you are off your meds - why is it those who are so untrustworthy try to judge others by your own standards?

Only scumbag bottom feeding Pajeet fucks like you farm accounts.

Yes.