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That's where you are wrong, I shouldn't have to wait forever, if there is no evidence of me being a scammer I should have neutral trust instead of negative trust. if you guys are friends with each other and counter each other's trust ratings, nobody is doing that for me, why should I join your club if there is no seat for me in it? my reputation is at risk here, if this is the standard of dealing with people, let us know. if suchmoon could counter owlcatz negative trust and leave me to be called a scammer by default, let us know. if you are willing to close your eyes for your friends and open them for me, let us know.
If you see that there is no need for me to be called a scammer by default you should tell that to suchmoon, otherwise it could continue like this if nobody is fixing the mistake.
Negative trust =/= scammer.
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Anyways, I have fixed my mistakes now and I expect suchmoon to reconsider about his tags on me.

So you admit that you were in the wrong and suchmoon's tag was justified?

I agree that I should have used escrow. if I trust myself it doesn't mean that everybody else should trust me.

OK, that's the first step. It wasn't just escrow, you offered a service you couldn't perform and said no refunds.

Now take this in, The Pharmacist said it better than I would.

Digaran, all of this screaming about your feedback and raging against DT members isn't going to help your case.  I say that as someone who doesn't have a personal beef with you, so it's somewhat objective.  Your time would be better spent not doing this and perhaps calming down a bit and doing things to help the forum would be a better approach.

Try acting like a trustworthy member of the forum and prove yourself over a period of a few months and then maybe it would be in order to ask suchmoon to reconsider.


I don't need to prove myself to suchmoon, here is a change of circumstances, I want to have a reputation and a business, are you willing to compensate me for few months of waiting? now I'm tagged as a scammer, I'm not a scammer so there is no need for me to be called a scammer by default.

In the case of suchmoon's feedback for owlcatz, that's been a long-standing feud that unfortunately shows no signs of dying down.  The only thing I can say is that some people believe that what transpired wasn't a true extortion attempt, but a sting operation--and I think everyone involved realizes at this point that it was a mistake.  You can believe it or not believe it, but that's what the feedback was for.
No, that's not what owlcatz's feedback is about. It isn't an issue of whether it was a sting or not. He was not involved in any way or form, neither directly not indirectly. I thought this needed clearing up as even you seem to misunderstood it and it was brought in here.

Anyways, I have fixed my mistakes now and I expect suchmoon to reconsider about his tags on me.
You might as well wait forever; welcome to the club.

That's where you are wrong, I shouldn't have to wait forever, if there is no evidence of me being a scammer I should have neutral trust instead of negative trust. if you guys are friends with each other and counter each other's trust ratings, nobody is doing that for me, why should I join your club if there is no seat for me in it? my reputation is at risk here, if this is the standard of dealing with people, let us know. if suchmoon could counter owlcatz negative trust and leave me to be called a scammer by default, let us know. if you are willing to close your eyes for your friends and open them for me, let us know.
If you see that there is no need for me to be called a scammer by default you should tell that to suchmoon, otherwise it could continue like this if nobody is fixing the mistake.
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Anyways, I have fixed my mistakes now and I expect suchmoon to reconsider about his tags on me.

So you admit that you were in the wrong and suchmoon's tag was justified?

I agree that I should have used escrow. if I trust myself it doesn't mean that everybody else should trust me.

OK, that's the first step. It wasn't just escrow, you offered a service you couldn't perform and said no refunds.

Now take this in, The Pharmacist said it better than I would.

Digaran, all of this screaming about your feedback and raging against DT members isn't going to help your case.  I say that as someone who doesn't have a personal beef with you, so it's somewhat objective.  Your time would be better spent not doing this and perhaps calming down a bit and doing things to help the forum would be a better approach.

Try acting like a trustworthy member of the forum and prove yourself over a period of a few months and then maybe it would be in order to ask suchmoon to reconsider.
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In the case of suchmoon's feedback for owlcatz, that's been a long-standing feud that unfortunately shows no signs of dying down.  The only thing I can say is that some people believe that what transpired wasn't a true extortion attempt, but a sting operation--and I think everyone involved realizes at this point that it was a mistake.  You can believe it or not believe it, but that's what the feedback was for.
No, that's not what owlcatz's feedback is about. It isn't an issue of whether it was a sting or not. He was not involved in any way or form, neither directly not indirectly. I thought this needed clearing up as even you seem to misunderstood it and it was brought in here.

Anyways, I have fixed my mistakes now and I expect suchmoon to reconsider about his tags on me.
You might as well wait forever; welcome to the club.
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Anyways, I have fixed my mistakes now and I expect suchmoon to reconsider about his tags on me.

So you admit that you were in the wrong and suchmoon's tag was justified?

I agree that I should have used escrow. if I trust myself it doesn't mean that everybody else should trust me.
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I would like to ask for a better reason as to why suchmoon has left a positive trust on forum member: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=313016 ? there is no reference. could we come to conclusion that he is abusing his DT position for personal gains?
Eh...no?  What exactly would be the gain?

Take a look at my feedback, or Vod's, or Lauda's, or anyone who's on DT.  You'll find tons of feedback, both positive and negative, that doesn't include any references.  That's a fact of life here, because trust isn't moderated and giving a reference is suggested but isn't a rule.

In the case of suchmoon's feedback for owlcatz, that's been a long-standing feud that unfortunately shows no signs of dying down.  The only thing I can say is that some people believe that what transpired wasn't a true extortion attempt, but a sting operation--and I think everyone involved realizes at this point that it was a mistake.  You can believe it or not believe it, but that's what the feedback was for.

Digaran, all of this screaming about your feedback and raging against DT members isn't going to help your case.  I say that as someone who doesn't have a personal beef with you, so it's somewhat objective.  Your time would be better spent not doing this and perhaps calming down a bit and doing things to help the forum would be a better approach.

No, that's not what owlcatz's feedback is about. It isn't an issue of whether it was a sting or not. He was not involved in any way or form, neither directly not indirectly. I thought this needed clearing up as even you seem to misunderstood it and it was brought in here.
Oh.  Maybe my brain is as addled as digaran's is, but he brought up the extortion thing.  I can't keep track of all this mudslinging, so I'll probably just keep quiet.
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Anyways, I have fixed my mistakes now and I expect suchmoon to reconsider about his tags on me.

So you admit that you were in the wrong and suchmoon's tag was justified?
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This is posted to counter OgNasty's multiple negative trust ratings against owlcatz.

@suchmoon, why would you counter a negative trust which has a reference pointing to an extortion attempt by owlcatz?
When it comes to your friends you would abuse your power, is this a man we should trust?
Owlcatz has literally nothing to do with that thread, thus the counter rating is valid. Don't drag innocent people into your dispute. Counter ratings are per-definition not abuse.

Giving suchmoon absolute power could lead to abuse. if Ognasty has left an inaccurate negative trust on owlcatz, that is abuse of power.

Anyways, I have fixed my mistakes now and I expect suchmoon to reconsider about his tags on me.
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I would like to ask for a better reason as to why suchmoon has left a positive trust on forum member: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=313016 ? there is no reference. could we come to conclusion that he is abusing his DT position for personal gains?

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This is posted to counter OgNasty's multiple negative trust ratings against owlcatz.

@suchmoon, why would you counter a negative trust which has a reference pointing to an extortion attempt by owlcatz?
When it comes to your friends you would abuse your power, is this a man we should trust?

What personal gain do I get from that rating?

With your every post you're confirming how utterly clueless you are about the trust system.
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This is posted to counter OgNasty's multiple negative trust ratings against owlcatz.

@suchmoon, why would you counter a negative trust which has a reference pointing to an extortion attempt by owlcatz?
When it comes to your friends you would abuse your power, is this a man we should trust?
Owlcatz has literally nothing to do with that thread, thus the counter rating is valid. Don't drag innocent people into your dispute. Counter ratings are per-definition not abuse.
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I would like to ask for a better reason as to why suchmoon has left a positive trust on forum member: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=313016 ? there is no reference. could we come to conclusion that he is abusing his DT position for personal gains?

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This is posted to counter OgNasty's multiple negative trust ratings against owlcatz.

@suchmoon, why would you counter a negative trust which has a reference pointing to an extortion attempt by owlcatz?
When it comes to your friends you would abuse your power, is this a man we should trust?
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Means you either trust me to deliver and would pay me first in good faith or you see and read my terms and pass on my offer.

And my feedback says you shouldn't be trusted so it's all working out exactly as you expected.

Except I'm not a scammer.

Weak sauce. You have proven quite comprehensively that your words don't mean anything.

Am I a scammer?
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Means you either trust me to deliver and would pay me first in good faith or you see and read my terms and pass on my offer.

And my feedback says you shouldn't be trusted so it's all working out exactly as you expected.

Except I'm not a scammer.

Weak sauce. You have proven quite comprehensively that your words don't mean anything.
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Means you either trust me to deliver and would pay me first in good faith or you see and read my terms and pass on my offer.

And my feedback says you shouldn't be trusted so it's all working out exactly as you expected.

Except I'm not a scammer.

I would also like to know if you tagged me after I bumped my application or before? because I'd look guilty if I knew that I was already tagged.
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Means you either trust me to deliver and would pay me first in good faith or you see and read my terms and pass on my offer.

And my feedback says you shouldn't be trusted so it's all working out exactly as you expected.
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Of course a DT-related thread would not be complete without the scammer extraordinaire pretending like he's an expert and shit...

It's pathetic the way he tries to act all moral when he's holding onto tens hundreds of thousands of dollars in stolen coins.  :/
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Somebody who got tagged wrongfully comes to me, I would evaluate their case, if I see they were tagged illegitimately, I would request for the money upfront and would discuss the issue with the DT member who has left the tag.

If they remove the tag, I win and my client wins, community would also win.
If I can't convince the DT member to remove the tag, I would present the case to the public to see and judge by themselves, with enough illegit tags I could then convince the community to kick that DT member out of his/her position.

If I could find enough illegit cases, I could earn money while helping the community to get rid of power abuse, if there is not enough power abuse, I would earn no money.

If I don't have enough credit for not using escrow for 0.01 should I use DT members as escrow? the ones I don't trust to have a sound judgment? am I desperate for 0.01? I would shut up if people say that I'm not worth 0.01.

Escrow has nothing to do with DT. Just another proof that you have no clue about the very thing your service is about.

And of course your "service" isn't worth 0.01 BTC. You're a clown who pretends to be a lawyer.

There were at least 3 DT2 members posting on my thread before you tagging me, how come they didn't think of your points made above to tag me? how come you tagged me right after I bumped my application?

I don't know when you bumped your application nor do I care. I also don't care if other DT2 members tag you or not. That's pretty much the point if the trust system. If everyone was subscribing to the same hive mind we would need this system.

Of course you wont remove your tag because you feel that you own this place. I will prove you wrong.

I won't remove my tag because it's factual and you can't deny anything I posted in my explanation. I'm not sure how you can prove me wrong about something you just made up but have at it.

Lets see:

My terms in my thread are as follows:

No refund.
Means you either trust me to deliver and would pay me first in good faith or you see and read my terms and pass on my offer.
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Somebody who got tagged wrongfully comes to me, I would evaluate their case, if I see they were tagged illegitimately, I would request for the money upfront and would discuss the issue with the DT member who has left the tag.

If they remove the tag, I win and my client wins, community would also win.
If I can't convince the DT member to remove the tag, I would present the case to the public to see and judge by themselves, with enough illegit tags I could then convince the community to kick that DT member out of his/her position.

If I could find enough illegit cases, I could earn money while helping the community to get rid of power abuse, if there is not enough power abuse, I would earn no money.

If I don't have enough credit for not using escrow for 0.01 should I use DT members as escrow? the ones I don't trust to have a sound judgment? am I desperate for 0.01? I would shut up if people say that I'm not worth 0.01.

Escrow has nothing to do with DT. Just another proof that you have no clue about the very thing your service is about.

And of course your "service" isn't worth 0.01 BTC. You're a clown who pretends to be a lawyer.

There were at least 3 DT2 members posting on my thread before you tagging me, how come they didn't think of your points made above to tag me? how come you tagged me right after I bumped my application?

I don't know when you bumped your application nor do I care. I also don't care if other DT2 members tag you or not. That's pretty much the point if the trust system. If everyone was subscribing to the same hive mind we would need this system.

Of course you wont remove your tag because you feel that you own this place. I will prove you wrong.

I won't remove my tag because it's factual and you can't deny anything I posted in my explanation. I'm not sure how you can prove me wrong about something you just made up but have at it.
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Let's see. The reference links to:

https://archive.fo/5Gh8i

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--3779450

You are:

  • Offering a questionable service in a self-moderated thread
  • Claiming abilities that you don't possess
  • Lacking any trade history
  • Providing one vouch/reference - yourself
  • Requesting upfront payment without escrow
  • Admitting that you will abscond with the money if you don't succeed

I think for most users any one of the last three would earn red tags up the wazoo except this is digaran, the village idiot, so we shall give him a pass, right? I don't think so.

But don't despair, this is actually great for you. I'm not removing my trust rating under any circumstances so I just reduced the work you need to do by half. Your only option is to kick me out of DT. If you succeed you can add another solid reference to your service offer.


Somebody who got tagged wrongfully comes to me, I would evaluate their case, if I see they were tagged illegitimately, I would request for the money upfront and would discuss the issue with the DT member who has left the tag.

If they remove the tag, I win and my client wins, community would also win.
If I can't convince the DT member to remove the tag, I would present the case to the public to see and judge by themselves, with enough illegit tags I could then convince the community to kick that DT member out of his/her position.

If I could find enough illegit cases, I could earn money while helping the community to get rid of power abuse, if there is not enough power abuse, I would earn no money.

If I don't have enough credit for not using escrow for 0.01 should I use DT members as escrow? the ones I don't trust to have a sound judgment? am I desperate for 0.01? I would shut up if people say that I'm not worth 0.01.

There were at least 3 DT2 members posting on my thread before you tagging me, how come they didn't think of your points made above to tag me? how come you tagged me right after I bumped my application?

Of course you wont remove your tag because you feel that you own this place. I will prove you wrong.
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Of course a DT-related thread would not be complete without the scammer extraordinaire pretending like he's an expert and shit...

I don’t see any fake vouches on the OPs thread.

As an example of his "work", he links to a thread where he is his own "client".

The OP is free to offer his services on terms of his choice. Similarly any potential buyers of his service can ask for terms they want. If the two sides cannot agree to terms, the OP will not be able to sell his services. I don’t think it is appropriate for an unrelated third party to try to dictate terms that others can trade on. Unless the OP is being deceptive in some way, there should be no issue.

Why do you tag users for asking for no-collateral loans then? They should be free to offer any terms they want, including no collateral.
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