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Quote from: Woodie on November 01, 2022, 05:16:06 AM

You know how casinos have set certain slots to only pay a certain amount to a winner, it it also possible that casinos are using an algorithm to limit how much it can payout for players coming from certain locations to avoid being dragged into legal disputes if a player is paid big money and the local authorities want to know the source and the alike?

Wow. This is my first time hearing about this. They must put it on their Terms of Services (TOS). But if ever this is true, this is a big L for most online casinos.
But I don't think there are some issues with this if the customer is following their Terms Of Services (TOS). If customers agreed about doing some compliance process, they can do it. I believe these online casinos already have trigger or warning for some customers that will withdraw a huge amount off from their platform.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on November 01, 2022, 05:52:08 PM

I also don't think they will focus on manipulating the algo of their machines.
Because if someone got a hold of it, their reputation may be ruined and so their business.

That's subjective, each casino can do that but if they want to, they always should go with the automated process through the algo's code and they have no control over its result. They can just increase the chance for the house and decrease the chance for their players.

Quote from: TimeTeller on November 01, 2022, 05:52:08 PM

It is more on how they will attract their patrons and building credibility, where they will generate more income.
Remember, if the casino/bookie owners don't know what they are doing, their business won't stay long.

When they're already built and reputed, that's when they can change some policies and things that will be definitely favorable to them. But in terms of games, they're just getting it from their providers so they have no hold and touch on it.

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Quote from: Woodie on November 01, 2022, 05:16:06 AM

You know how casinos have set certain slots to only pay a certain amount to a winner, it it also possible that casinos are using an algorithm to limit how much it can payout for players coming from certain locations to avoid being dragged into legal disputes if a player is paid big money and the local authorities want to know the source and the alike?

This sound very interesting but I still don't agree with you on this opinion because we all know that anybody can sue a casino depending on what it is really involved. If a casino decided to limit people from a particular region on how much it can payout for players in order to avoid legal battles from fortunate players then I think that casino is truly not ready for business.
Casinos are supposed to be reliable and universal when we talk about treating players equally. We should all know that it is only a scam casino that will want to limit players based on region when it comes to payout.

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Quote from: Woodie on November 01, 2022, 05:16:06 AM

....is it also possible that casinos are using an algorithm to limit how much it can payout for players coming from certain locations to avoid being dragged into legal disputes if a player is paid big money and the local authorities want to know the source and the alike?

Maybe possible to pull off on land-based casinos and online casinos that's not provably fair. I mean you can verify the results of your game in most online casinos today so it will be tough for them to rig the game.

I think you are already familiar with what they do when a player wins big. It's the usual suspend after further review and then comes the "violated TOS" justification hehe.

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Quote from: Woodie on November 01, 2022, 05:16:06 AM

You know how casinos have set certain slots to only pay a certain amount to a winner, it it also possible that casinos are using an algorithm to limit how much it can payout for players coming from certain locations to avoid being dragged into legal disputes if a player is paid big money and the local authorities want to know the source and the alike?

looking at the casinos in the TOS of most of them is clear: It is forbidden to use the casino if the person lives in a restricted country, then the casinos would not be manipulating an algorithm to limit the earnings of people from certain countries, this would be unethical and unfair, as all customers who are in a legal situation have the same rights does not matter the color of the person or country, if that person lives in a poor country and they charge high taxes but can use casinos then this person has the same rights as a person from a rich country who can use casinos, now they are manipulating the algorithm to limit people's earnings or payouts, I don't see how this is something right and legal. maybe i'm wrong but i see this of manipulating the algorithm as something wrong

Quote from: robelneo on November 01, 2022, 06:05:13 PM

if casinos accept players from a specific country to play in their casinos, it should have a fair chance like all the other players.

I also agree, and I wonder why OP is asking this strange question, it sounds like OP wants to do something strange, I suspect that OP is asking this question without him not having a specific objective, but I still can't understand what he intends

Quote from: TimeTeller on November 01, 2022, 05:52:08 PM

I also don't think they will focus on manipulating the algo of their machines.

scammers are capable of anything, in scammer casinos they can handle anything

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Quote from: Woodie on November 01, 2022, 05:16:06 AM

You know how casinos have set certain slots to only pay a certain amount to a winner, it it also possible that casinos are using an algorithm to limit how much it can payout for players coming from certain locations to avoid being dragged into legal disputes if a player is paid big money and the local authorities want to know the source and the alike?

If its an industry practice someone from casinos will tell us or spill it that they are doing it, but so far no one has come out yet, we are just speculating that they are because of the restriction set up, this is unfair for players just because they are on that location and its cheating on the part of the casinos if there are manipulations, if casinos accept players from a specific country to play in their casinos, it should have a fair chance like all the other players.

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Quote from: Woodie on November 01, 2022, 05:16:06 AM

You know how casinos have set certain slots to only pay a certain amount to a winner, it it also possible that casinos are using an algorithm to limit how much it can payout for players coming from certain locations to avoid being dragged into legal disputes if a player is paid big money and the local authorities want to know the source and the alike?

It is possible that casinos can do all sorts of tricky stuff with the algorithms behind the scenes, but the real fact is they do not really need to do such things. Once casinos reach a critical mass of players, they can often sustain themselves in a totally legitimate manner because every single game they offer customers is geared to pay them money over the long term. Even sports betting companies engineer their odds with an extra buffer to guarantee profitability. They are sitting on top of money printing machines and professional operations often have no interest in the type of manipulation you describe, they're better off funneling money towards advertising to draw in new players.

I also don't think they will focus on manipulating the algo of their machines.
Because if someone got a hold of it, their reputation may be ruined and so their business.
It is more on how they will attract their patrons and building credibility, where they will generate more income.
Remember, if the casino/bookie owners don't know what they are doing, their business won't stay long.

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That’s slot machine and probably the casinos are using something to limit the number of winners or else, many will make money if they didn’t control it and that mat cause them a bankruptcy. Casinos knows how to win always and that’s the reality even if the authority asked them for this, they can easily defend that because that’s how gambling works and we have to deal with that.

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Quote from: Woodie on November 01, 2022, 05:16:06 AM

You know how casinos have set certain slots to only pay a certain amount to a winner, it it also possible that casinos are using an algorithm to limit how much it can payout for players coming from certain locations to avoid being dragged into legal disputes if a player is paid big money and the local authorities want to know the source and the alike?

It is possible that casinos can do all sorts of tricky stuff with the algorithms behind the scenes, but the real fact is they do not really need to do such things. Once casinos reach a critical mass of players, they can often sustain themselves in a totally legitimate manner because every single game they offer customers is geared to pay them money over the long term. Even sports betting companies engineer their odds with an extra buffer to guarantee profitability. They are sitting on top of money printing machines and professional operations often have no interest in the type of manipulation you describe, they're better off funneling money towards advertising to draw in new players.

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Quote from: Woodie on November 01, 2022, 05:16:06 AM

You know how casinos have set certain slots to only pay a certain amount to a winner, it it also possible that casinos are using an algorithm to limit how much it can payout for players coming from certain locations to avoid being dragged into legal disputes if a player is paid big money and the local authorities want to know the source and the alike?

I don't think decent online casinos will impose disparities based on your location, that will be detrimental to their business. Only a handful of people, even to this day, will bother installing a VPN to bypass borders and preventing the ones who can't be bothered to install these networks will also hinder you, the casino, from getting more customers. I have been made aware of certain casinos rigging their games, but I don't think that applies to online casinos or at least as I said earlier, the ones that are decent enough.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on November 01, 2022, 01:12:38 PM

But then there are many gamblers who are playing from non-allowed regions by using VPN and do not get caught. (Or gambling houses don't care as long as people are depositing and playing).

But that is never a good idea, the person can fall victim of his own mistake if already included in the ToS of the gambling site that no VPN is allowed, or if he part of the people from a country not allowed to make use of the gambling site.

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Quote from: Woodie on November 01, 2022, 05:16:06 AM

You know how casinos have set certain slots to only pay a certain amount to a winner, it it also possible that casinos are using an algorithm to limit how much it can payout for players coming from certain locations to avoid being dragged into legal disputes if a player is paid big money and the local authorities want to know the source and the alike?

There's no barrier to location where you are in gambling or neither does it got affected tobthe rate of amounts you can use to stake or win, as long as a casino is used and has good licencing that back it up, a gambler is entirely free to bet and gamble with a reasonable amount and if won also there's no barrier to restrict gamblers from claiming thier winnings as long as they have the slip with them and were not suspected for a bad intension or attempts for cheat, if a player wins big, the casino may require a transfer of the gambler to their head office for payout.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on November 01, 2022, 05:23:45 AM

I do not know about those illegally operated casinos, but if a casino has a licence and operate legally, it would be in the ToS that certain regions or countries are not allowed to make use of their gambling services. This would help against what you are talking about as they operate legally. Which means all money won by customers has nothing to do with the regulators or governments than paying tax.

But then there are many gamblers who are playing from non-allowed regions by using VPN and do not get caught. (Or gambling houses don't care as long as people are depositing and playing).

In order for the casino to stop someone from winning big is to put restrictions on how much deposit you can make. The more you deposit, you can gamble with a big amount, resulting in a big win.

Another possibility is to limit the maximum amount you can bet on each game so that even if you win the highest percentage, your total winnings are under a certain threshold.

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Quote from: Woodie on November 01, 2022, 05:16:06 AM

it it also possible that casinos are using an algorithm to limit how much it can payout for players coming from certain locations to avoid being dragged into legal disputes if a player is paid big money and the local authorities want to know the source and the alike?

It is possible but highly unlikely.

If casinos pay a player from a country a big money he has won and the authorities have an issue with it, the major penalty will be to their citizen who may have broken a law. I don't think it is totally possible for online casino's to restrict people from certain locations. It is possible that these casino's can be accessed via a strong Virtual Private Network, and since the payout is mostly in cryptocurrency, anonymity can still be ensured by strategically withdrawing the money from the casino's in bits that do not prompt for KYC verification. Some times these individuals have strategies to outsmart the casinos, and the authorities in those countries cannot blame the casino for not being able to detect or pay attention to finding out the location of someone.

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Quote from: livingfree on November 01, 2022, 09:16:41 AM

~snip~The only thing that casino is concerned about are the countries that they're prohibiting to gain access on them. But there are some that still allows it through the usage of VPN.

well, it's a clear rule that those who don't have access or have their access blocked and use a VPN won't get any specials or waivers on big unpaid wins. Actually they don't want to do restrictions, this is only because the regulations of each country are different and the blocking is done. Casinos have their own algorithms and they make them for their benefit as well as for the benefit of the players. The more players that enter, the more profits.

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If it's possibility then yes, there is a chance. But how will us know? Things such as algorithms and manipulation are limited to the 'house' itself. That is why checking its credibility via survey to its users, would be a great help. Also, if you are that long playing in a gambling site or casino, you'd surely be able to observe that.

But I doubt it is concerned with location because their goal is to get more players so why would they voluntarily limit people? Restrictions on the other hand is another thing because local governments would instantly block online gambling site, so if it is accessible, and with the use of blockchain technology, players could still play.

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Quote from: Woodie on November 01, 2022, 05:16:06 AM

You know how casinos have set certain slots to only pay a certain amount to a winner, it it also possible that casinos are using an algorithm to limit how much it can payout for players coming from certain locations to avoid being dragged into legal disputes if a player is paid big money and the local authorities want to know the source and the alike?

I don't think this being done by casinos to discriminate against some people from certain countries. This is my own opinion and I can't proof it, but so far I haven't read or heard about the issue before. If it were true than this wold would be a big scandal that could potentially ruin a casino. I would stay away from the casino if I knew that some IP adresses are getting worse winning chances. How could you ever trust again the casino if games are decided on a player basis? And still this sounds like a huge operation where the casino could not keep quite. For example one angry employee could just leak the whole situation and ruin the business model. The risk seems not worth it in my opinion, because the casino is already making enough money with their traditional games. There is no real need to lower wining chances or gamblers. And in the end it's the gamblers duty to explain to the government where he made the money and to make sure he pays his taxes.

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Quote from: Woodie on November 01, 2022, 05:16:06 AM

it it also possible that casinos are using an algorithm to limit how much it can payout for players coming from certain locations to avoid being dragged into legal disputes if a player is paid big money and the local authorities want to know the source and the alike?

Doesn't the problem or dispute that occur in the gambling Slot Machine Algorithm system depend on a particular location or area.

According to my understanding, the local government will investigate gambling activities in large scale winnings depending on how the casino operates in a particular area illegal or legal, for me winning big or small certain casinos will not lose, of course there is a reason.
To be sure I refer to the source below.

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An example of how the Slot Machine Algorithm works. Which means that in the algorithm, you are given a defeat before you win or vice versa.

From this quote it can be concluded that no matter how a player wins or loses in slots, I don't think they, the casino can lose, although there will be disputes that will occur between players and casinos, even if the government is involved in it, because the way the algorithm works is very clear.

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Quote from: Woodie on November 01, 2022, 05:16:06 AM

it it also possible that casinos are using an algorithm to limit how much it can payout for players coming from certain locations to avoid being dragged into legal disputes if a player is paid big money and the local authorities want to know the source and the alike?

Except you are saying this incase the country of domicile could be investigating for money laundering or traces of source of money for those that have ban bitcoin or receiving cryptocurrency and they are paying the money gradually into the players account to avoid the player being in trouble with the country, otherwise that is illegal to restrict payment of winner and the casino deserve to be reported or scam accusation thread open against them.

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Quote from: Woodie on November 01, 2022, 05:16:06 AM

You know how casinos have set certain slots to only pay a certain amount to a winner, it it also possible that casinos are using an algorithm to limit how much it can payout for players coming from certain locations to avoid being dragged into legal disputes if a player is paid big money and the local authorities want to know the source and the alike?

The casinos wouldn't be problematic wherever their players are from. If a player is rightful and have won with huge wins, they'll just have to give it away and allow it to be cashed out if there's no problem found.

It's the sole duty of the player to think about how he's going to take it wherever he's from. It's already out of the casinos jurisdiction if the player will face some taxation based on his winnings.

The only thing that casino is concerned about are the countries that they're prohibiting to gain access on them. But there are some that still allows it through the usage of VPN.

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