Topic: Do we want to continue to allow various vendor hate in here? (Read 17377 times)

BTW, also we can't forget that "The Greatest Generation" were snot nosed kids that listened to music that the old timers hated, and didn't "get off the lawn" at one point too. They were scared and had to put their belt on in the morning, just like you.

We do them, and our ancestors, a disservice too if we don't try to achieve all that we can in whatever we try. I think Gramps would be stoked about me participating in something that empowers people and helps protect their families from inflation by participating in a naturally deflationary currency (even if he may not have understood the digital crypto aspect).

P.S. To Zeek_W: I think raginazn managed to straighten out his Customer Service issues he may have been facing you mentioned. I understand he may be facing some mental difficulties at the moment. Let's not forget mental injuries can be just as painful and debilitating as physical injuries, even if the damage isn't visible.

I think that if a vendor (no matter which) has operated in such a manner that obviously causes the general population of users financial and/or trust hardships then they should definately be called out and be made accountable.

The current issue of raginazn (although I have only been watching occasionally) shows exactly why people start getting pitchforks.

Also if a vendor operates on BTC prices and refunds in USD then that is a very iffy thing.

In the end, no matter what, we are dealing in BTC, a currency based on decentralisation and anonymity. Trust is No1 priority.

Hahhaah! Why, thank you.

With that said: I'm heading to the local sports bar soon to watch young men batter the crap out of each other for obscene amounts of money!    

I love sports and the strategy behind sports (I enjoy the coaching match behind the scenes in many sports). Interesting to note that Mayweather's fight game is 95% mental...much like BTC investing and ASIC pre-orders is 100% mental! I have no bet in this game, I'm just enjoying the chess match and fireworks.

If Rome is burning, I want a front row seat and a pocket full of BTC.

And popcorn.

Edit: I'll call it now: Canelo may have a puncher's chance and has a shot at flooring Mayweather for the first time in his career even if he doesn't win.  

9/15 update: Was right about the mental part as far as the fight; Failed as far as the outcome. Lesson: Great defense still beats good offense.

What is this I dont even...

A post with historical references, logical argumenting, linguistics, good grammar, even some humour. You even managed to tie in a larger reference with WW2, free world and how we stand on the shoulders of giants.

I must ask that the mods ban you for a week or so for daring to put so much sense in a single post

Fascinating! Thank you both for your cultural insights and contributions to what's turned into a deep and meaningful discussion.

As an amateur historian that is a product of East and West, and someone that lives at a junction of East and West: Hawaii, AKA Fortress Central Pacific (unofficial PACOM motto: "Ain't gonna be 'nother Pearl Harbor sneak attack on our watch") in a time where it has increasing geopolitical and strategic importance in any potential illogical showdown between China & the US in this century, I welcome insights such as this as I know and welcome the fact that I *don't* know everything and cannot possibly be an expert in *everything*. Human knowledge is just too broad and too deep for any one of us to be an expert in more then a handful of things. If you're semi-enlightened or even semi-aware of others, you value everyone's insights and welcome everyone's meaningful contributions.

I minored in linguistics in college as language & how it's used has always fascinated me; I hate to be simplistic but it truly can be used for Good or Evil (yet another concept that may simply be a human construct). As I don't speak any of those languages I truly appreciate your insight as seen through the rose tinted glasses of the host languages you mention. I speak Spanish (poorly) and also what linguists call HCE or Hawaii Creole English AKA Pidgin English; what would be considered it's own language or sub-language. An example you've probably heard stereotyped in shows like Hawaii 5-0: "Howzit, brah!" I slip into it and out of it easily and simply depending on who I'm talking to in the state of Hawaii. Another fun example: "You goin' stay or you stay goin'?"

HCE or Pidgin English came about because it was the Lingua franca of many different groups of migrants from around the world who came to Hawaii to seek their fortunes and send money home to the motherland. At this point in the 21st century, English is the Lingua fraca of the Western World and will remain so unless the current Chinese PM has his way (which could not be out of the realm of possibility, in a parallel universe; because I love a good alt. history story).

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I, for one, appreciate the free speech and wide latitude here. At least around here, no one cares much for the heavy hand of censorship. I feel that the venting and ribbing we see around here serve as a community service by simply *allowing* people to vent and joke about things, because to gripe and make fun of things is about as intrinsic to human nature as breathing. And let's be honest: some people have invested and lost tens of thousands of dollars (or more!). Ergo, they should be pissed off! My grandfather fought Nazis and Italians in WW2 as part of the 442nd Regiment of Japanese-American volunteers so that they *could* have the right to be pissed! Gramps carried around a .30 cal Browning automatic that was ripped out of a damaged airplane in Italy and later brought it with him to Southern France. Here's a little more about Grandpa: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1ka8kp/iama_99_year_old_woman_who_helped_her_mother_make/cbn16qb

I truly don't think the young 'uns realize just how close run of a thing World War 2 really was; if we don't get really lucky at the Battles of: Britain (thankfully British engineers had the foresight to install Radar combined with the fact that Hitler was a terrible Strategist), Pearl Harbor (no carriers in harbor at attack; fuel bunkers otherwise untouched as well), and Midway (outnumbered but caught Japanese carriers with pants down (ordnance lying all over the deck) with JPN navy at it's peak strength and USN still at its ebb; Honolulu would have followed), the Free World may have had to have made peace with evil German or Japanese dictatorships in control of large swathes of the world and its populace. 50-60 MILLION people had to die around the world to defend freedom and we, their descendents in all countries, pay them a huge disrespect if we forget this. Although people in the Western World may see Chinese and Russians as potential enemies, I recognize and respect the huge losses Russia and China sustained in WW2. There's simply no way World War 2 is won without the manpower and contributions of both countries.

I'm delighted to be in a spacetime with such amazing opportunities - and pitfalls to be sure - that are afforded us for those that have the wherewithal and resources to invest in ventures such as Bitcoin, Bitcoin mining, and related hardware and businesses. I feel very, very fortunate to be along for the ride wherever this BTC protocol is going.

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BTW, to bring it back On Topic, I'm running an interesting experiment with my small miner's co-op of 15 members where we all vote on major things; so far, so good! They voted to move our Baby Jet from a pro colo site in Missouri to a really, really good amateur colo site of a member in NY! I didn't even have to vote in either major vote we did and I tried to lay out the pros/cons of various hosting options as pragmatically as possible.

There's no way the paragraph above is even possible just five years ago because Bitcoin itself was still in Satoshi's brain whether that was one brain or several people's brains...and irony alert, as a product of an egalitarian society who's interested in linguistics, I'm completely aware of all the use of "I" and "You" throughout this post.  

Cheers mates!

Don't forget Nasser's nonsensical posts lately. Minirig lines that aren't slowed down, but are delayed? He doesn't even seem to read Jody's blog before he waxes stoopit...it's unreal. BFL reps are like comic book villains that have had too much hemlock.

Safe to say as long as this scam is going on and people are being looted wholesale there will be plenty of anger directed at them.

Re: Do we want to continue to allow various vendor hate in here?


YES

BFL sucks
BFL Josh = Assh....
BFL Jody = Conn Artist that blogs (ok but she at least tries...)

Dang. Yer rite, I got it stuck in my head there were 10 spots up for auction.

BFL just lost the auction since others outbid Josh. theymos didn't in any way indicate BFL shouldn't/couldn't bid on that, so nothing has changed in that regard.

Don't be so quick to say "all is well".

Funny to see Josh whine in that thread though

Thank you theymos. Take back any bad things I thought about you.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3105242

http://www.npr.org/2012/06/04/154287476/honest-truth-about-why-we-lie-cheat-and-steal

On how our cashless economy may encourage cheaters

"The moment something is one step removed from money ... people can cheat more and [still] feel good about themselves. It basically relieves people from the moral shackles. And, the reason this worries me so much is because if you think about modern society, we are creating lots of cashless economy. We have electronic wallets, we have mortgage-backed securities, we have stock options, and could it be that all of those payment modalities that as they get more and more further from money become easier for us to cheat and be dishonest with them."


Some people are relieved of those moral shackles more easily than others it seems and that is where the angry mob of pitchfork wielding townies is coming from in this community and it is being directed squarely at those that are lying and cheating on fairly large scale. Freedom to lie is not freedom of speech. We all cheat... some just do it on grand scale and have Zero remorse and that is the problem here.


http://www.npr.org/2012/04/27/150818706/why-do-we-cheat

What you just wrote is just a truism in cultural studies: language mirrors the society in which it is used. In egalitarian societes direct communication prevails. In hierarchical societies the polite communication is the norm. You should really broaden your knowledge of non-western/non-anglo forums by looking at what's going on in the Russian/cyrillic forums or maybe some latin-alphabet/Central-Eastern European language forums like Romanian (and their representative for the English-speaking word: MPOE-PR). Or even better: jump into Hebrew/Israeli forums. Only then you can understand that the English way is actually the middle-of-the-road.

Vladimir actually tried to start a Bitcoin Disneyland forum on his own and foresworn visiting bitcointalk.org. Go see the forum.bitcoin.org.uk or wherever is his tumbleweed city.

Please feel free to follow his experiment; set up bitcoinu-talku.or.jp and practice your humble speech, polite language there. We'll see you back here in a year or two.

Edit: or if obtaining the knowledge in the linguistic way is too hard then do it the old way: volunteer for the military service or start competing in some group sports. That's the quickest way to develop some fortitude.

Edit2: be glad that BitcoinTalk doesn't attract women and especially Israeli women who served in the IDF. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_Israel_Defense_Forces

Edit3: on a second thought: a girl with a Sten is not the best illustration for my argument. Let me try using a men reading a poster on a wall: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashkvil

This is the sort of post that represents a large portion of everything that is wrong with this forum and to a larger degree western/anglo forums. The usual tit for tat, my ego is greater than your ego, youre stupid and I'm smart. Notice the use of the word "You" in a almost accusatory role, this then creates tension and opens the door for further retorts etc. I'm sick of seeing posts that escalate from nothing to pages upon pages of arguing over the origins of M5 hex screws or some inane banal drivel. Try visiting a Chinese or nearly any other Asian technical forum and translate their conversations and you will be very surprised, its a lot different from Anglo forums where individual ego almost certainly outweigh collective common.

On another note, I dont have a problem with BFL advertising on this forum, the problem I have is that some people are clicking the links and actually ordering. BFL wouldnt be advertising if they didnt already know that they would get orders through that method.

Tag the worst vendors as scammers and/or ban them.

As long as you permit these crap vendors to run amuk, there is going to be non-stop well-justified hate towards them.

Here's another example of BFL failing to meet deadlines and refusing refunds.

90125 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItZqTueAaqU

, hell, I can't even organize my life! But I agree with you in general. Some people just walk in with "kick me" plastered on their forehead.

In a totally unrelated matter, does your screen name refer to Rush's 2112? If so, there's a subject I've not been a newbie on since 1978

I agree with both of you that the default treatment for a newbie shouldn't be "bashing". But you can't allow yourselves to bunch all newbies into a single group, because there is a whole spectrum of newbie-tude.

I read a few of Biomech's earliest posts and I rate him "neutral", because he didn't start with trying to sell or organize something.

Now lets take a look at the extreme-positive rating: helveticoin, a wannabe vendor who is a well-prepared newbie.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/helveticoin-82676

Now lets focus on "sie": extremely negative newbie/wannabe-vendor in Bitcoin, but clearly claiming not to be a newbie in electronic design, fabrication, assembly, etc.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/sei-148463

Again, you can't just put all newbies into a single "protected" group that by default gets a "kid gloves" treatment.

You started with a tendentious quotation of my post, then followed with "capitalism is ..." and described some mixture of syndicalism and a cooperative. Writing like this would get you flunked out of pretty much any policical economy class. What are you trying to achieve?
 
Yes, that is true. But you seem to be making an assumption than the "psychopathic behavior" is exclusively on the part of the "ripper-s". What about the "psychopathic behavior" of the "victim-s/rippee-s". This second case is probably the most common one here on this forum: in the role of the "ripper" we have "mathematics", "laws of physics", "random carelessness and inattention" and other ethically neutral mechanisms.

 brilliant.... well played

We also don't need frothing BFL love in there either