Topic: Do we want to continue to allow various vendor hate in here? - page 2. (Read 17320 times)

BFL's relevance is dwindling anyway(funny how garbage business practices do that). Josh's foaming at the mouth rants don't garner the same newbie adoration they once did. Knc and others are taking the lead on gobbling up ad space. Theymos can keep his pile of ill gotten gains AND do the right thing.

^^ Indeed! But clearly respect does not power this forum.

At one point there was a thread to raise btc so we could outbid a certain asic vendor and i believe it was posted in custom hardware but it got moved to the woodworks somewhere in the forum where nobody would see it..  (remember the "WARNING ads")

It wasn't theymos who moved it .. it was a mod if my memory serves me correctly but i may be mistaken. I cant believe i forgot the name of the guy who started the thread. He was someone who was ripped off by bitfloor during the first fiasco. ( ill remember eventually, he saved me from the second bitfloor fiasco when he was urging people to jump ship. )


Anyway .. the issue is how do we fund the this forum with regular advertising revenue, ala outbidding the scammers who clearly have used the freedoms in this forum to prey on bitcoin and participants.

Clearly if we were to replace the regular revenue stream im sure theymos wouldn't care if there were 0 ads on this forum as long as he got his.

Blaming theymos for trying to keep the lights on wont get anywhere.  


I think the forums biggest asset is its freedom of speech, we should preserve that and be an example to other community's. The trolling can be curtailed by adding a feature that after certain amount of ignores you get a temp ban from the thread.. Even if its 1 day or 2 days.. Maybe a known troll tag wouldn't hurt either.

Hate is just a feeling like love .. we cant have one without the other so its important to tread carefully.

To be honest i dont mind the contrast.. i love when people get intellectually muted and its always good to "listen" to opposing arguments as long as its constructive..

You know what they say... "If everyone is thinking the same then someone isn't thinking!"    


So moving forward lets find a way to power this forum with respect by eliminating the ability for asic vendors to prey on unsuspecting participant of bitcoin by plastering their ads all over the forums. Also if we could stop Asic vendors from creating multiple threads.

Every asic vendor should have a single thread for questions, comments, concerns & inquiry's. Maybe one other thread for support!

So max two threads for asic vendors!


Usually when vendors hear discontent from customers they try to oblige but here people are angry and throwing tomatoes and instead of catering to the issues the asic vendors just start a new thread! If they are quarantined to a two thread setup, one for general and one for support then they are a bit more obligated to deal with the issues then to let it boil and turn to hate!

Because once the hate machine start churning in a thread its likely to result in loss of customers.






 

 Won't happen until Theymos is removed as owner of these forums; not likely to happen any time soon.

 He's too busy playing Scrooge McDuck swimming in his piles of Bitcoins from all the advertising revenue Butterfly Labs has paid him. He's not going to kill his golden goose.

 Theymos is just as much of a problem as BFL, as far as these forums and community are concerned.

...and here's the same chicken(or egg) acknowledging through his actions that he still needs these forums to maintain his supply of fresh victims customers.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=284843.0;topicseen

I believe that bitcointalk.org administrators would gain instant respect by simply deleting or blocking that bid.

This. I am a newbie to bitcoin, been involved for a few months. When I first started posting here, a couple of people were extremely helpful, and a few were extremely abusive. I'm not in any way a newbie to fora, in fact they were called  electronic bulletin board services when I started with posting lo these several decades ago. As time passes, they seem to become less civil.

Heated discussion is one thing, newbie bashing is another. We all were a newbie at whatever it is we do at some point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFnFr-DOPf8

 Yeah, going to have to say that we should allow to continue with various vendor hate around here until the vendors themselves start behaving in such a way that does not produce feelings of hate due to their own conduct.

 Chicken, egg, so on and so forth...

Capitalism is the gathering of resources to accomplish a common purpose.  For example, people in a town may all chip in $500 to build and stock a dry goods store.
It may, or may not, have a separate profit motive.

Ripping people off is just psychopathic behavior, and it can occur in any economic system.

There is a key difference between that example and many I have seen on this forum. That poster is asking questions. Questions, no matter how naive are fine and generally result in answers, or at least the thread where they can find answers. There will also be some ribbing about use of google, etc.

The problems arise when someone fresh out of the newbie forums begins making pronouncements, like "28nm will never run SHA256!" or other nonsense. That sort of post receives  far more abuse.

I think you are very naive and idealistic.

Those who "hurl abuse" are mostly the good guys. In the past they probably also polite, but lost the patience with those who refuse to read any of the openly available information.

The "bad guys" will be first very polite and solictious and then simply rip them off when they acurately measure their weaknesses.

This is how capitalism works.

The way you propose is how some religions/sects operate.

Yes, so other people may be ignorant or ill-informed, especially those in the newbie forums. That doesn't give anyone an excuse to insult them, or otherwise hurl abuse. Leave them in peace, or gently show them the error of their ways and point them to a useful source of fact and/or considered opinion.

For all who may have missed it: below is an example of how far from the reality are some of the readers/posters/wannabes on this forum.

No matter what single policy you may try to apply, there is always someone who will be offended. Or you may end up with a policy where the only allowed posts will be the variants of "fluffy bunnies are nice".

The 1st post was in the Newbie subforum:
Subject: making an asic miner

The 2nd post was in the main Bitcoin Discussion forum, but was moved to Custom Hardware by the moderator:
Subject: Creating a Hashing chip?

Well, seeing as you can't do a thing about the very reason there's so much "vendor hate" here on this forum, I fail to see the point in this thread then.

Start doing your job and moderate the excessive flaming I guess? Or leave the stuff be. Your choice. There's no easy solution since the administration clearly wants to take the money and keep promoting (a) fraudulent seller(s).

Whatever you choose, be consistent in your decision(s).

Nope didn't know... further don't care.

This, I'm pretty sure most knew that already. If you guys want to waste your time with assumptions, well it's your time to waste. I don't make it a habit to waste my own time correcting it though.

This is fairly common knowledge and is why so many threads are addressed directly to Theymos.

Thanks again for the info you both provided. As I said, I had no idea that you couldn't do those things. Maybe the lack of that particular information has partly fanned the flames around here...

MODS cant do it......Ok that puts a different complexion on it all ....

Its strange...THIS fact is not widely known....3 months ago you argued with us tirelessy over why not to give them a tag etc  ...

It could have been defused instantly by this one statement ...

Oh wells .. at least it is just now 1 persons greed ...

That's exactly what he's saying, and as far as I know that's no secret.
Yes, there are more admins. You don't need to ask, just check the members list ordered by Position.

No, I don't realize that as I had no idea what rights the moderators have on this forum. So you're saying Theymos (the admin? are there more admins?) is the only person responsible for advertising and setting tags on people? Thank you for clearing that out. Now we know that you're not to blame for this mess with BFL.

So, I guess you're in a tough spot then. Looks like the forum administration likes money more than integrity. What a surprise...