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Well, whether we like it or not, we cannot ignore the fact those biases exist and are still common in society, so inevitably some of it will sneak their way into the world of football and other sports.
I don't have any doubt there are efforts done by the football clubs and the different sport authorities to screen their referred in search of anything which could point out towards so bias against a specific nationality or race, but in the end people can simply lie about what they think or what they have done.

Perhaps that is why social media and digital footprints have become more relevant today than before, people can really dig out much of the past of others by using search engines, many racist and xenophobes have been caught that way before and will probably continue to be caught in the future.

I personally think that all decisions made by referees with such bias should be annulled and the game must be replayed at another time and with a different referee, obviously. I understand that setting such a rule would be not easy for all referees around, but only this way we save people from avoiding some games because of fear of possible racism by a sports referee.
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Especially on sports betting we see some racism happening and this happened in most of the league that are popular of which so many persons bet on. It bothers me to ask, that imagine you placed a bet and somehow you have 80% assurance that it would come out successful. And on the process of waiting for the game to end there was some racism manipulation in the game which made you lost the game. It could be football or other sports cause its mostly found in sports.

Next time would you choose to not bet on a particular game because you feel the members of the VAR, or the referee are racist, and you are sure that there would be some manipulation?

This is new to me, I only know about racism players face from fans which is different from what you are mean. I don't believe racism will affect the bet you place or influence it in anyway you only got the outcome of your action.
Saying a referee is racist and the VAR members is a NO for me, what prove do you have to backup your point, judging from your context you are even giving a room for what you feel to be true which isn't.
The sport were people bets are manipulated is majorly in Comabt sports where they pay the one that is the favorite person to lose so as to liquidate all bet placed on him, but it carried out secretly.
I don't utterly doubt you, but if they want to manipulate it won't have to be that the referee is a racist or the VAR members, the actual movers must include both officials of the club.

Finally don't try to avoid taking responsibility of your action by clinging it on societal factors, you only get the results of what you gamble, as you lose someone wins and vice versa. If you feel uncomfortable on your bets don't place it, be disciplined enough to  cancel it.
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Aren't these kinds of referees being questioned after the game? In a game, a lot of people are watching and most probably filming the match. In our country, not football but in other sports, if there are some referees who are giving special treatment to one of the teams to make them win at the end of the game are being questioned as people are using social media to spread the dirty intention of the referee.

This kind of behavior resulted in them facing a grave penalty, there are fines and even suspension from their job as a referee.
Do you think that officials or referees or VAR officials who favor one side will openly support them? No, they would do it in a way that wouldn't make it look obvious, I know that people watching the game would feel or suspect that the referee or officials are in favor of one side and are partial to the other but they wouldn't clearly understand that they are cheating or trying to make the other side win.

This is why, most of such referees and officials get away with what they do in the field, even if it's a case of racism, they would barely get penalized or fired because they have favoured one team and made them win even if they weren't the favourites and people were expecting the other team to win.
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My bet is my bet and I don't think that I'll ever be affected by racism if it does happens to me. I'm more inclined to mistreatment than of racism.

I know that they seem to be close to each other but mistreatment and being done to me without any reason or if the staff are rude, that's what I'll start to avoid games, people and even casinos.

When I am not treated well for no reason and I just casually gamble, it's hard to find fault as to why I am being treated like that and whether it's racism or not but when we're mistreated, it's so heartbreaking.
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I don't know another word for that except disgusting. Human race or nationality should not be taken into consideration in any judgement sports events included. We are living in the 21st century, FFS, and people with brains abandoned this approach in the mid of 20th. I can't imagine how some people can be so retarded.

Well, whether we like it or not, we cannot ignore the fact those biases exist and are still common in society, so inevitably some of it will sneak their way into the world of football and other sports.
I don't have any doubt there are efforts done by the football clubs and the different sport authorities to screen their referred in search of anything which could point out towards so bias against a specific nationality or race, but in the end people can simply lie about what they think or what they have done.

Perhaps that is why social media and digital footprints have become more relevant today than before, people can really dig out much of the past of others by using search engines, many racist and xenophobes have been caught that way before and will probably continue to be caught in the future.
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Here in Latin America we have had a few cases of referees who happened to be legendarily infamous because of the way they behaved during matches, giving a special treat to one of the teams and making things difficult to the opposite one. In those cases, the referees here seem to do that because of favoritism towards an specific nationality over other. Given that, I would not feel specially shocked if some referee happened to be a closeted racist and ended up giving problems to a team of black people during an important regional match.
In that aspect, I agree with you, that that kind of manipulation is believed to be a problem forma bettor, then it is better just to avoid regional matches and focus our wager on FIFA big events, where referees are supposed to be more professional and less prone no manipulate the match at their will and whim.

I don't know another word for that except disgusting. Human race or nationality should not be taken into consideration in any judgement sports events included. We are living in the 21st century, FFS, and people with brains abandoned this approach in the mid of 20th. I can't imagine how some people can be so retarded.
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To be honest, I had never considered this to be a widespread possibility when comes to match manipulation, but thinking over it, it completely makes sense some referee happened to harbor racist feelings against one of the teams or against specific players of one of the teams.
I do not bet too often, as I usually only bet on big matches and in the football world cup, where it is pretty unlikely to be manipulated due to racism.
Though, thanks to this topic I will be sure to be more careful and check the history of the teams and of the referee if possible. Unfortunately, when comes to the world of football, there have been several infamous referees out there who completely ruin matches.

I assume this kind of problem only happens when the match is about a white versus a black team or perhaps when the referee is of a different race/skin color of those who are part of the team.

So, you mean that a crooked referee shows his favoritism to a particular team not because he was paid for that, but because of his racism? It's interesting. I've never heard of such cases, although I'm sure it happens in some low level matches somewhere in rural places. I think it never happens in the games of high level nowadays.

Here in Latin America we have had a few cases of referees who happened to be legendarily infamous because of the way they behaved during matches, giving a special treat to one of the teams and making things difficult to the opposite one. In those cases, the referees here seem to do that because of favoritism towards an specific nationality over other. Given that, I would not feel specially shocked if some referee happened to be a closeted racist and ended up giving problems to a team of black people during an important regional match.
In that aspect, I agree with you, that that kind of manipulation is believed to be a problem forma bettor, then it is better just to avoid regional matches and focus our wager on FIFA big events, where referees are supposed to be more professional and less prone no manipulate the match at their will and whim.
Aren't these kinds of referees being questioned after the game? In a game, a lot of people are watching and most probably filming the match. In our country, not football but in other sports, if there are some referees who are giving special treatment to one of the teams to make them win at the end of the game are being questioned as people are using social media to spread the dirty intention of the referee.

This kind of behavior resulted in them facing a grave penalty, there are fines and even suspension from their job as a referee.

I don't know whether they are questioned after the match or not, but It would not be surprising if they are indeed questioned of there have been some strange behavior going on during the match.
Funnily enough, I have got two cousins which are professional referees in football matches here in my country, I talked to them today and they have told me some interesting facts about their job.
They told me for example, they are not allowed to interact with the public when they travel outside their city to work as referee for a match, this is done so they do not feel biased during the match, in favor of a team and in detriment of the other.
If I had to guess, they are also forbidden to leave their hotel because the fear of the clubs they would be contacted by people who wouls like them to fix the match, for the sake of money. Since we are talking about regional leagues which are relatively low ones, it could be a possibility.

I am not sure whether I would be willing to become a professional referee, it sounds like a lot of work for little recognition. Not even mentioning one also needs to be in a good physical state as the players.
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As possible I avoided the games having an issue possible that theres different biases in the game and the game will be just cooked and not in favour of your wage team. As for their event organization, they make sure theres no racism happening before, and after the game to make sure it gives fair decisions for both sides, sometimes people can easily notice if theres something fishy happening in the game by the decisions and gestures of the people inside the game. For the bettors they came for fun and support but if theres racism possible those wages can get a table turn because of the calls.
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Next time would you choose to not bet on a particular game because you feel the members of the VAR, or the referee are racist, and you are sure that there would be some manipulation?
I am having a hard time understanding what racism has to do with this, you cannot lose a game because of racism. I don't see how the ref or VAR being racist directly affects your games, the referee may be poor in officiating and make mistakes in the match, but it does not directly affect the games you bet on, neither does this concern racism. Probably the idea you wanted to pass across didn't come out so well, because there is no connection between gambling and racism in this context.
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Especially on sports betting we see some racism happening and this happened in most of the league that are popular of which so many persons bet on. It bothers me to ask, that imagine you placed a bet and somehow you have 80% assurance that it would come out successful. And on the process of waiting for the game to end there was some racism manipulation in the game which made you lost the game. It could be football or other sports cause its mostly found in sports.

Racism is a big word. Are you sure those manipulations on some sports or matches before on your head are because of racism?

I'm also not sure about this but my question is, is there an incident already of game fixing or rigging just because of racism as a main reason? Usually, since sports betting is business, manipulation will happen because of certain factors but not because of racism. Besides, how can they manipulate the game if the team that will put on a racist act is dominating the whole game that even refs or anyone can't stop them?

Anyway, as a bettor, I will bet based on my analysis regardless of the sport. Aside from that, I'm sure small leagues or local leagues which are more prone to game-fixing are not usually listed on sportsbooks because of low market.
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Solving the problems of racism and manipulation in sport is not an easy task, but one that is imperative, requiring definite action. In contrast, sports betting that is ethical and open requires essential data, such as statistics and analytics on performance trends, as well as knowledge of teams and athletes involved in the game.

But if there are any complaints of fixing or racial discrimination in a contest, it would be fair to take action by lodging them with the concerned sports federation or betting regulatory agency.

If racism or match manipulation signs are present, you should not place a bet on that particular match; otherwise, in such a case, it is not just for the game’s good name but also to avoid being cheated out of potential loss. Moreover, we can help foster an environment where all participants in sports feel safe and respected by fighting against such practices.
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Next time would you choose to not bet on a particular game because you feel the members of the VAR, or the referee are racist, and you are sure that there would be some manipulation?

I won't bet on a game that has alot of racism going on as they can manipulate the game when they want to and they'll make me to lose my bet. If a club has too many black players and they're being hated on by both the officials and the fans. It can make them to lose games as they'll begin to lose their confidence on the playing field. Regardless of the sport, if there is racism going on it'll affect the players and also affect the games therefore I think it's better we avoid betting on those games.


This is one of my thoughts before, is it really possible for them to manipulate the game when the opposing team is all black? Why is the skin color of people such a big deal today? why is racism receives so much attention? we should be focused on the match not on the skin color of the players because the skill and ability of the players is not based on the color of a person.

This is a good insight but I won't take this as a fact until proven or given any evidence happening. Because in terms of manipulating results, most gamblers just making their own rationalizations of why they are losing. Maybe it's part of their system or algorithm to manipulate results but how are you sure that they are doing that in the basis of the participants' race?

For me, racism occurs on direct interaction. Probably on joining communities where people are all talk and trashtalking were normalized.
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Especially on sports betting we see some racism happening and this happened in most of the league that are popular of which so many persons bet on. It bothers me to ask, that imagine you placed a bet and somehow you have 80% assurance that it would come out successful. And on the process of waiting for the game to end there was some racism manipulation in the game which made you lost the game. It could be football or other sports cause its mostly found in sports.

Next time would you choose to not bet on a particular game because you feel the members of the VAR, or the referee are racist, and you are sure that there would be some manipulation?

Gamblers and especially sport betting tend to be much more aggressive than slot players as they think someone did wrong to them and they protest in a very nervous way while slot players have nowhere to protest as they know the results are predetermined.

It happened many times that some racist chores usually in countries with not so good ties with each other and because of these chores the game to have been interrupted which in some case can result in lost amounts of money.
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Next time would you choose to not bet on a particular game because you feel the members of the VAR, or the referee are racist, and you are sure that there would be some manipulation?

I won't bet on a game that has alot of racism going on as they can manipulate the game when they want to and they'll make me to lose my bet. If a club has too many black players and they're being hated on by both the officials and the fans. It can make them to lose games as they'll begin to lose their confidence on the playing field. Regardless of the sport, if there is racism going on it'll affect the players and also affect the games therefore I think it's better we avoid betting on those games.


This is one of my thoughts before, is it really possible for them to manipulate the game when the opposing team is all black? Why is the skin color of people such a big deal today? why is racism receives so much attention? we should be focused on the match not on the skin color of the players because the skill and ability of the players is not based on the color of a person.
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Yes I do. I totally avoid some games due to racism expecially friendly matches. because there is always a chance of the match being rigged. Most referee don't judge matches accordingly, expecially those who are a fan to a particular country or have a relationship with the country. they will judge to the favour of the opposition, So to avoid it I totally remove a selected match I added, or don't even put it to my ticket to avoid problem. Though sometimes it might really not be racism but a mistake on the pitch that made the opposition team win. but people will never believe it's a mistake because they have already nurture that mind that it will be a racism match.
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Next time would you choose to not bet on a particular game because you feel the members of the VAR, or the referee are racist, and you are sure that there would be some manipulation?

I won't bet on a game that has alot of racism going on as they can manipulate the game when they want to and they'll make me to lose my bet. If a club has too many black players and they're being hated on by both the officials and the fans. It can make them to lose games as they'll begin to lose their confidence on the playing field. Regardless of the sport, if there is racism going on it'll affect the players and also affect the games therefore I think it's better we avoid betting on those games.

VAR are poor in England which is the premier league but I don't think they're guilty of being called racist as they make mistakes for all clubs and not only clubs that are suffering from racist chants. They make mistakes as their officiating are poor but I won't stop gambling due to VAR mistakes as that can also make you to win some games as their mistakes will lead to a goal getting cancelled or awarded.
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To be honest, I had never considered this to be a widespread possibility when comes to match manipulation, but thinking over it, it completely makes sense some referee happened to harbor racist feelings against one of the teams or against specific players of one of the teams.
I do not bet too often, as I usually only bet on big matches and in the football world cup, where it is pretty unlikely to be manipulated due to racism.
Though, thanks to this topic I will be sure to be more careful and check the history of the teams and of the referee if possible. Unfortunately, when comes to the world of football, there have been several infamous referees out there who completely ruin matches.

I assume this kind of problem only happens when the match is about a white versus a black team or perhaps when the referee is of a different race/skin color of those who are part of the team.

So, you mean that a crooked referee shows his favoritism to a particular team not because he was paid for that, but because of his racism? It's interesting. I've never heard of such cases, although I'm sure it happens in some low level matches somewhere in rural places. I think it never happens in the games of high level nowadays.

Here in Latin America we have had a few cases of referees who happened to be legendarily infamous because of the way they behaved during matches, giving a special treat to one of the teams and making things difficult to the opposite one. In those cases, the referees here seem to do that because of favoritism towards an specific nationality over other. Given that, I would not feel specially shocked if some referee happened to be a closeted racist and ended up giving problems to a team of black people during an important regional match.
In that aspect, I agree with you, that that kind of manipulation is believed to be a problem forma bettor, then it is better just to avoid regional matches and focus our wager on FIFA big events, where referees are supposed to be more professional and less prone no manipulate the match at their will and whim.
Aren't these kinds of referees being questioned after the game? In a game, a lot of people are watching and most probably filming the match. In our country, not football but in other sports, if there are some referees who are giving special treatment to one of the teams to make them win at the end of the game are being questioned as people are using social media to spread the dirty intention of the referee.

This kind of behavior resulted in them facing a grave penalty, there are fines and even suspension from their job as a referee.
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Especially on sports betting we see some racism happening and this happened in most of the league that are popular of which so many persons bet on. It bothers me to ask, that imagine you placed a bet and somehow you have 80% assurance that it would come out successful. And on the process of waiting for the game to end there was some racism manipulation in the game which made you lost the game. It could be football or other sports cause its mostly found in sports.

Next time would you choose to not bet on a particular game because you feel the members of the VAR, or the referee are racist, and you are sure that there would be some manipulation?
There are particular football leagues that are notorious for this manipulation character just to favour a definite side and since I have known them to be that way I just had to keep away from betting on those leagues matches and stick on the major leagues we all know are not of that manipulative nature.

Outside football leagues, another type of sports that are manipulative and bias in results is boxing matches. In the world of boxing the official determine who will win and not just be the strength and ability of the boxer alone. If you're a favourite to the boxing official in that match they will always find a hedge to trim you in through rules interpretation as they wish and other means too.
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To be honest, I had never considered this to be a widespread possibility when comes to match manipulation, but thinking over it, it completely makes sense some referee happened to harbor racist feelings against one of the teams or against specific players of one of the teams.
I do not bet too often, as I usually only bet on big matches and in the football world cup, where it is pretty unlikely to be manipulated due to racism.
Though, thanks to this topic I will be sure to be more careful and check the history of the teams and of the referee if possible. Unfortunately, when comes to the world of football, there have been several infamous referees out there who completely ruin matches.

I assume this kind of problem only happens when the match is about a white versus a black team or perhaps when the referee is of a different race/skin color of those who are part of the team.

So, you mean that a crooked referee shows his favoritism to a particular team not because he was paid for that, but because of his racism? It's interesting. I've never heard of such cases, although I'm sure it happens in some low level matches somewhere in rural places. I think it never happens in the games of high level nowadays.

Here in Latin America we have had a few cases of referees who happened to be legendarily infamous because of the way they behaved during matches, giving a special treat to one of the teams and making things difficult to the opposite one. In those cases, the referees here seem to do that because of favoritism towards an specific nationality over other. Given that, I would not feel specially shocked if some referee happened to be a closeted racist and ended up giving problems to a team of black people during an important regional match.
In that aspect, I agree with you, that that kind of manipulation is believed to be a problem forma bettor, then it is better just to avoid regional matches and focus our wager on FIFA big events, where referees are supposed to be more professional and less prone no manipulate the match at their will and whim.
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To be honest, I had never considered this to be a widespread possibility when comes to match manipulation, but thinking over it, it completely makes sense some referee happened to harbor racist feelings against one of the teams or against specific players of one of the teams.
I do not bet too often, as I usually only bet on big matches and in the football world cup, where it is pretty unlikely to be manipulated due to racism.
Though, thanks to this topic I will be sure to be more careful and check the history of the teams and of the referee if possible. Unfortunately, when comes to the world of football, there have been several infamous referees out there who completely ruin matches.

I assume this kind of problem only happens when the match is about a white versus a black team or perhaps when the referee is of a different race/skin color of those who are part of the team.

So, you mean that a crooked referee shows his favoritism to a particular team not because he was paid for that, but because of his racism? It's interesting. I've never heard of such cases, although I'm sure it happens in some low level matches somewhere in rural places. I think it never happens in the games of high level nowadays.
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