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Quote from: bakasabo on March 11, 2024, 03:10:36 AM

Why acts of racism usually are expressed in football? And I have read that racism was expressed not only by opponents team fans, but by own teams fans and even teammates. Some might say that we see racism in soccer often than in other sports, because it is most popular. But there are sports that are as popular as football. For example here is the data: https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/what-are-the-most-popular-sports-in-the-world.html. Never heard that there are racism in hockey, tennis or basketball.

In this case I agree with you and basically racism in sports is not only in football but also several other types of sports which have quite lot of fans, almost every team will have fans or even players who of course also do things like this.
It just that some people think what they support is the best and think what they support is the team most worthy of winning, that why various narratives related to racism often appear from one side to another.
Most people don't want to see or know what they like until they have a bad response from other groups and this is why many fans of various types of sports often do some stupid things such as mocking each other and triggering fights.

If talk about racism as whole and stay away from it, it is clear that many matches will be missed because during each match there will definitely be several things that are considered racism and of course things like this are very normal.

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Quote from: Agbamoni on March 08, 2024, 02:26:19 AM

Especially on sports betting we see some racism happening and this happened in most of the league that are popular of which so many persons bet on. It bothers me to ask, that imagine you placed a bet and somehow you have 80% assurance that it would come out successful. And on the process of waiting for the game to end there was some racism manipulation in the game which made you lost the game. It could be football or other sports cause its mostly found in sports.

Next time would you choose to not bet on a particular game because you feel the members of the VAR, or the referee are racist, and you are sure that there would be some manipulation?

In any game, it's not good to have that kind of racism, and it's not good in a game, to be honest. But there are still some games that have that style, especially if there are big bets involved. That's why sometimes they say that the game is cooked, like in football games.

And usually, when something like that happens, there is a lot of money involved, so sometimes the referee is also an accomplice, in fact.

Quote from: bakasabo on March 20, 2024, 04:00:01 AM

You know, even in village football or in some low level league it is risky thing to do. A player or a team, against whom referee do racism actions, can beat this referee. Such players dont lose much if they get banned from sports. It could be that my vision is spoiled by youtube, but I have seen videos where ref got punched in the face for bad refereeing. I would say it does not worth being racism. You earn little as a ref in local games and get punched in the face, or you are a top class ref, make something stupid during top league finals and get troubles for yourself and family, plus get fired.

That's the sad truth that there really is something like that and they do it because of money so that's what's happening.

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Quote from: Pierre 2 on March 20, 2024, 04:12:13 AM

I am generally worried about gambling at European footbsu because sometimes referees don't decide according to rule book, sympathizing with one side because of racial connections - which is some kind of racism as well.

Which European football league are you referring to? Most racism news that I read happened in the Serie A or La Liga, but they have nothing to do with the ref making biased decisions but fans doing some racist activity against players. I'm referring to stuff like throwing bananas, calling names, etc. I do agree that referees usually do nothing about this, other than calming down the player if they complain and reporting to their team so that the governing body can give punishment.

If I were to make a wild guess, I'd argue that their terrible decision-making is more likely to happen due to corruption instead of being racist. Most refs decisions are just terrible whether they are racist or not, so your games can still get screwed anyway. We still need to kick them out if they're proven to be racist though.

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I know many instances of racism towards some nations and especially against Africans around the world. I feel like its less and less common in later years especially at Europe because they are trying to combat all kinds of racism. I am generally worried about gambling at European footbsu because sometimes referees don't decide according to rule book, sympathizing with one side because of racial connections - which is some kind of racism as well.

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You know, even in village football or in some low level league it is risky thing to do. A player or a team, against whom referee do racism actions, can beat this referee. Such players dont lose much if they get banned from sports. It could be that my vision is spoiled by youtube, but I have seen videos where ref got punched in the face for bad refereeing. I would say it does not worth being racism. You earn little as a ref in local games and get punched in the face, or you are a top class ref, make something stupid during top league finals and get troubles for yourself and family, plus get fired.

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Quote from: Agbamoni on March 08, 2024, 02:26:19 AM

Especially on sports betting we see some racism happening and this happened in most of the league that are popular of which so many persons bet on. It bothers me to ask, that imagine you placed a bet and somehow you have 80% assurance that it would come out successful. And on the process of waiting for the game to end there was some racism manipulation in the game which made you lost the game. It could be football or other sports cause its mostly found in sports.

Next time would you choose to not bet on a particular game because you feel the members of the VAR, or the referee are racist, and you are sure that there would be some manipulation?

I would avoid such a game, definitely, but I've never heard about something like this happening in the recent years.

Could you provide an example, a video maybe, that would prove your words? I thought cases like these were long gone, but if there are such cases still, we have to fight them with all our might.

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Quote from: Agbamoni on March 08, 2024, 02:26:19 AM

Especially on sports betting we see some racism happening and this happened in most of the league that are popular of which so many persons bet on. It bothers me to ask, that imagine you placed a bet and somehow you have 80% assurance that it would come out successful. And on the process of waiting for the game to end there was some racism manipulation in the game which made you lost the game. It could be football or other sports cause its mostly found in sports.

Next time would you choose to not bet on a particular game because you feel the members of the VAR, or the referee are racist, and you are sure that there would be some manipulation?

Can you show us an example of "racist manipulation" done by the referees(or VAR members) in a game? I don't know about such cases of "racist manipulation". Do you mean that some football player was shown red card by the referee, just because he is black and that caused his team to lose the game? What if the football player deserved to get a red card, when thought he's black? If you really believe that such racist manipulations are a thing, maybe you should bet on other sports, where racism isn't such a big problem.

This is a good thing to discuss. I think if the ref is caught being racist, then this would be the last game he is working in. It would not be wise to risk your job for such a stupid reason. Such example of racism can only occur in some low value games and amateur leagues. And even there it would be stupid thing to do, as this barely would influence on the team results in the table. And much more stupid to do it in major leagues and important games.

And as you said, maybe it only happens at sports matches or village football, racist acts still often happen because they are brave and don't have serious risks.
In contrast to referees in the top leagues or big leagues, in every important match, in my opinion, there are rarely referees like that. Because if that happens then it will be his last assignment and besides that there is a risk of sanctions, fines and even prison. I don't think any referee would want that, because he loves his family so much. Grin

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Quote from: davis196 on March 20, 2024, 02:49:35 AM

Quote from: Agbamoni on March 08, 2024, 02:26:19 AM

Especially on sports betting we see some racism happening and this happened in most of the league that are popular of which so many persons bet on. It bothers me to ask, that imagine you placed a bet and somehow you have 80% assurance that it would come out successful. And on the process of waiting for the game to end there was some racism manipulation in the game which made you lost the game. It could be football or other sports cause its mostly found in sports.

Next time would you choose to not bet on a particular game because you feel the members of the VAR, or the referee are racist, and you are sure that there would be some manipulation?

Can you show us an example of "racist manipulation" done by the referees(or VAR members) in a game? I don't know about such cases of "racist manipulation". Do you mean that some football player was shown red card by the referee, just because he is black and that caused his team to lose the game? What if the football player deserved to get a red card, when thought he's black? If you really believe that such racist manipulations are a thing, maybe you should bet on other sports, where racism isn't such a big problem.

This is a good thing to discuss. I think if the ref is caught being racist, then this would be the last game he is working in. It would not be wise to risk your job for such a stupid reason. Such example of racism can only occur in some low value games and amateur leagues. And even there it would be stupid thing to do, as this barely would influence on the team results in the table. And much more stupid to do it in major leagues and important games.

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Quote from: davis196 on March 20, 2024, 02:49:35 AM

Quote from: Agbamoni on March 08, 2024, 02:26:19 AM

Especially on sports betting we see some racism happening and this happened in most of the league that are popular of which so many persons bet on. It bothers me to ask, that imagine you placed a bet and somehow you have 80% assurance that it would come out successful. And on the process of waiting for the game to end there was some racism manipulation in the game which made you lost the game. It could be football or other sports cause its mostly found in sports.

Next time would you choose to not bet on a particular game because you feel the members of the VAR, or the referee are racist, and you are sure that there would be some manipulation?

Can you show us an example of "racist manipulation" done by the referees(or VAR members) in a game? I don't know about such cases of "racist manipulation". Do you mean that some football player was shown red card by the referee, just because he is black and that caused his team to lose the game? What if the football player deserved to get a red card, when thought he's black? If you really believe that such racist manipulations are a thing, maybe you should bet on other sports, where racism isn't such a big problem.

The thing is, the OP didn't clarify what he meant by "racism" in sports betting because we need an example and, of course, solid proof that tackles racism in sports betting. I think maybe the referee? or the sports authority being biassed towardss the other team as they are being racist towards the opposing team maybe based on their nationality or appearance, but actual news or speculation about racism in sports betting there's no such thing as that, I guess, until we are given an example.

But we are not ignorant not to know that such anomalies or cheating are happening in sports, so of course it could affect you if you are doing sports betting, especially in big leagues like the NBA or football. Anything could be easily manipulated by those organisers or influential. I'm a solid fan of the NBA, and when I know that there's something in the match, I will not make any bets based on the current basketball game.

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Quote from: Agbamoni on March 08, 2024, 02:26:19 AM

Especially on sports betting we see some racism happening and this happened in most of the league that are popular of which so many persons bet on. It bothers me to ask, that imagine you placed a bet and somehow you have 80% assurance that it would come out successful. And on the process of waiting for the game to end there was some racism manipulation in the game which made you lost the game. It could be football or other sports cause its mostly found in sports.

Next time would you choose to not bet on a particular game because you feel the members of the VAR, or the referee are racist, and you are sure that there would be some manipulation?

Can you show us an example of "racist manipulation" done by the referees(or VAR members) in a game? I don't know about such cases of "racist manipulation". Do you mean that some football player was shown red card by the referee, just because he is black and that caused his team to lose the game? What if the football player deserved to get a red card, when thought he's black? If you really believe that such racist manipulations are a thing, maybe you should bet on other sports, where racism isn't such a big problem.

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Quote from: bakasabo on March 11, 2024, 03:10:36 AM

Why acts of racism usually are expressed in football? And I have read that racism was expressed not only by opponents team fans, but by own teams fans and even teammates. Some might say that we see racism in soccer often than in other sports, because it is most popular. But there are sports that are as popular as football. For example here is the data: https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/what-are-the-most-popular-sports-in-the-world.html. Never heard that there are racism in hockey, tennis or basketball.

That is because the football community is kind of more divided than together, if you have been to the street you would see the quarrels that happen during days of Derby matches between two popular or most fanned clubs in that area like Chelsea and man United or Chelsea and man City, that's are matches that in my area could cause fights between fans out of arguments and soon they would start getting to emotional or aggressive about their different opinions. I think it's because just like ethnic groups, football teams and the setting put everyone against each other, just like speaking Different languages.

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I do understand that racism usually affect so many betting, even when the opponent are very good and have the high chance of winning, but when racism comes,They would want to fever the other side, you find yourself losing after placing a bet that you are sure of winning, but I don’t really think that it’s applies when a team is on their home although in sports betting like the football team, that is at their home, always have the chance of winning. I don’t know how it’s been manipulated, but when gambling is going on, and people are betting, they always bet in favor of the Home to win and I don’t know how that works. Sometimes I think is the mindset of the players. The only thing I see that usually affect gambling a lot.

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Why acts of racism usually are expressed in football? And I have read that racism was expressed not only by opponents team fans, but by own teams fans and even teammates. Some might say that we see racism in soccer often than in other sports, because it is most popular. But there are sports that are as popular as football. For example here is the data: https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/what-are-the-most-popular-sports-in-the-world.html. Never heard that there are racism in hockey, tennis or basketball.

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Quote from: Rabata on March 10, 2024, 07:17:57 AM

One thing I would like to say before talking about this we know that in sports betting we hear about fixed matches in fact that match may or may not be fixed. But those who are gamblers can easily understand what is actually happening. But there is no evidence or data to prove. But still we are doing sports betting. I think the same goes for racism. There is no evidence of bias. But no one can do anything even if it is going on inside. I think these matters can rather be left to fate. If there is any such behaviour in a match or a fixed match attempt then as a gambler it is better to leave it to luck.

There's a difference between fixed match and bribed referees.

In fixed match, we can't know the sign of fixed match because we can't verify if the player is intentionally or unintentionally making a mistake.

While a bribed referees, anyone has it's own eyes to watch the match, know which foul should receive yellow/red card and know it it's offside or onside. If the referees tend to give advantage to one team and disadvantage for the other team, it's clear the referee is racist.

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Quote from: Agbamoni on March 08, 2024, 02:26:19 AM

Especially on sports betting we see some racism happening and this happened in most of the league that are popular of which so many persons bet on. It bothers me to ask, that imagine you placed a bet and somehow you have 80% assurance that it would come out successful. And on the process of waiting for the game to end there was some racism manipulation in the game which made you lost the game. It could be football or other sports cause its mostly found in sports.

Next time would you choose to not bet on a particular game because you feel the members of the VAR, or the referee are racist, and you are sure that there would be some manipulation?

I'd rather not bet on a match that allows racism to exist, for whatever reason, because either way it becomes an unpleasant match to watch, and I feel much better if what I'm looking for from sports betting is the pleasure of seeing solidarity and fairness in the match without the intimidation of racism that makes the match unpleasant, but maybe for some people who already know it's rigged and get big odds on the side that will win by cheating, betting on that team is a clue to make money, and yes if it's money you're after then that kind of match is a place to multiply your money. That is if you know who will win. Tongue

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I may not be a sports fan, but it's sad to hear and did'nt know this was a thing in sports betting. I understand that for sports bettors hesitate betting on games due to suspected racism. I hope they will address this issue and fight for fairness. People should look at how teams are doing and their stats, not their feelings about racism.

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Quote from: redsun114 on March 10, 2024, 10:58:25 PM

Do you mean partiality? I never knew such things happen and the management or referee can favor one team just because the other team has people from a different race, this shouldn't happen and if it does, such people in management should be sacked for their useless services and for bringing useless personal feelings in the game. There should be investigations held against them and they should be banned forever by the federations.
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Anyone who takes sides because of racism deserves to be fired.
The referee is the controller of the match, if the inheritance is racist and only favors skin type or uses personal feelings,
then it is not appropriate to be used as a referee.

Then dismissal would be a good way out to eliminate such a racist disease.
As happened to Real Madrid player Vinícius Júnior who played against Valencia who received racism attacks not only from the referee but also from Valencia fans who received shouts of 'monkey' to 'just die' from the home supporters' stands.

People involved in racism cases deserve a lesson, because it's not just about football matches or betting, but it's about morals and self-esteem.

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/37772454/vinicius-junior-racial-abuse-happened-next-real-madrid-laliga

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Quote from: Agbamoni on March 08, 2024, 02:26:19 AM

Especially on sports betting we see some racism happening and this happened in most of the league that are popular of which so many persons bet on. It bothers me to ask, that imagine you placed a bet and somehow you have 80% assurance that it would come out successful. And on the process of waiting for the game to end there was some racism manipulation in the game which made you lost the game. It could be football or other sports cause its mostly found in sports.

Next time would you choose to not bet on a particular game because you feel the members of the VAR, or the referee are racist, and you are sure that there would be some manipulation?

Do you mean partiality? I never knew such things happen and the management or referee can favor one team just because the other team has people from a different race, this shouldn't happen and if it does, such people in management should be sacked for their useless services and for bringing useless personal feelings in the game. There should be investigations held against them and they should be banned forever by the federations.

To be honest, I never knew they could be racist, I knew that management and the staff including the referee can be partial towards one team and try to make them win at any cost, but this is a different ballgame altogether. I never lost a match because of this, or maybe I did but I never knew it was because of something like this. So if I know in advance, I would of course avoid placing a bet on such a game.

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Quote from: goaldigger on March 08, 2024, 03:08:20 PM

Quote from: Agbamoni on March 08, 2024, 02:26:19 AM

Next time would you choose to not bet on a particular game because you feel the members of the VAR, or the referee are racist, and you are sure that there would be some manipulation?

This is that thing that can happen any time within the game and honestly it’s hard to predict it especially if you already placed your bet before the game started, so I just ignore this one and focus on my bet where you can stop any time though. Racism looks like part of the game already as no one can control it, though of course we should not tolerate this one but it looks like the league also can’t control it because this is not a new scenario anymore.

One thing I would like to say before talking about this we know that in sports betting we hear about fixed matches in fact that match may or may not be fixed. But those who are gamblers can easily understand what is actually happening. But there is no evidence or data to prove. But still we are doing sports betting. I think the same goes for racism. There is no evidence of bias. But no one can do anything even if it is going on inside. I think these matters can rather be left to fate. If there is any such behaviour in a match or a fixed match attempt then as a gambler it is better to leave it to luck.

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I don’t think I’ve watched a game where any of these persons were reacist, maybe because I don’t watch a lot of games as before. But if I saw a game wherein the referee or anyone (except the fans) were being racists, I’ll stop watching the game because I strongly dislike seeing a one sided judgement for something that is obviously not true. I’ve heard people speak about this racism topic in football, can you mention a match where it happened and maybe I can watch it?

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