Do you blame someone for your gambling losses? - page 30.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on May 29, 2023, 09:27:00 AM

What the son and mom did together is kind of trick to get back what they've lost gambling. In the advanced technology based living each and everything will be easily caught. Before gambling one should understand well and do the right thing than just struggling after a massive loss. Some people loss funds from their accounts due to hacks. Those are exceptions, apart it is the gambler responsible for the loss. Whether it is sports betting or casino games, one should understand and gamble. Getting suggestions is good, but the end decision should be ours.

Yeah, but even in the case of hacking I would think the gambler is responsible. The hacked person could have been more careful with online activities, used a better password, etc.

Of course someone else did the active thing, but the gambler in that case did some things that allowed to create the situation the hacker took advantage of.

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What the son and mom did together is kind of trick to get back what they've lost gambling. In the advanced technology based living each and everything will be easily caught. Before gambling one should understand well and do the right thing than just struggling after a massive loss. Some people loss funds from their accounts due to hacks. Those are exceptions, apart it is the gambler responsible for the loss. Whether it is sports betting or casino games, one should understand and gamble. Getting suggestions is good, but the end decision should be ours.

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Quote from: Silberman on May 27, 2023, 12:39:00 AM

Quote from: nullama on May 26, 2023, 10:22:23 PM

Quote from: serjent05 on May 26, 2023, 06:05:50 PM

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The gambler should be man enough to accept his losses. He must take responsibility in whatever the result of his action so it is really very unethical and morally wrong to blame others when the problem is created by the gambler himself.

Yes, that's in my view the correct mindset. Anything that happens to your life is your responsibility.

That might sound harsh to some, but in reality it's quite liberating because you don't depend on anyone else, you can change your life right now, without asking anyone. You just need to change your actions, and that's it.

This is called and internal locus of control, basically those that believe their actions are the main drive behind their outcomes are said to be like this, as you may imagine those which believe their luck or environmental factors are the most important when determining the outcomes of their actions have an external locus of control, and the research about this indicates that those with an internal locus of control become more successful as they are not willing to blame others for their own mistakes.

If you are good at taking full responsibility in each action that you are going to take, the chance of doing things in a careful manner might
always be with you.

Knowing that no one is to be blamed in each action that you are taking gives you that mentality to focus on what you are doing, even in gambling
it's you and no one should be blame with the direction you take your bankroll.

Win or lose, it's your money to take care and there's should be no one that will be involved whatever the outcomes.

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Quote from: Franctoshi on May 26, 2023, 05:31:56 PM

Looks like there's was a compromise in that judgement and judicial partiality played out here ,someone gambled away 5.6 million and where asked to pay 150,000 only ,too small when compared with the amount of money being gambled away despite being given 7 years of imprisonment. They're hold with two count charge here, criminal offense and false allegation. The state of this guys greediness was in the high place. Both persons might be two gamble addicts and should
have allowed to undergo some psychological evaluation to know their mental status.

I guess it's all about how much they could pay at the moment given their financial status and all that. I've seen cases like this before (not gambling-related but money is still involved between relatives) and they are not really keen on putting charges that are beyond what the accused could pay. So it just makes sense, at least to me. Plus the 7 year charge I think was more than enough punishment considering how much money the prison's gonna make off of them.

They are definitely gambling addicts already, psychological evaluation could only lead to plead for insanity or something like that, which will prolong this case.

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Quote from: Franctoshi on May 26, 2023, 05:31:56 PM

Looks like there's was a compromise in that judgement and judicial partiality played out here ,someone gambled away 5.6 million and where asked to pay 150,000 only ,too small when compared with the amount of money being gambled away despite being given 7 years of imprisonment. They're hold with two count charge here, criminal offense and false allegation. The state of this guys greediness was in the high place. Both persons might be two gamble addicts and should
have allowed to undergo some psychological evaluation to know their mental status.

We'll never know if there was a compromise in the case. But that could happen to see that the amount to be paid is very small, as you said. And if both of them are gambling addicts, they should get additional punishment or perhaps, it's not punishment but some rehabilitation to cure gambling addiction. If it could be given to both of them, maybe they could change after the sentence was over so they wouldn't repeat his actions in the future. 7 years in prison is not a long time, and maybe it's good to make both of them reflect and learn from the mistakes they have made to others.

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Quote from: Silberman on May 27, 2023, 12:39:00 AM

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This is called and internal locus of control, basically those that believe their actions are the main drive behind their outcomes are said to be like this, as you may imagine those which believe their luck or environmental factors are the most important when determining the outcomes of their actions have an external locus of control, and the research about this indicates that those with an internal locus of control become more successful as they are not willing to blame others for their own mistakes.

Interesting, I had no idea there was a specific concept relating to this. Here's the wikipedia entry if anyone is interested in reading further: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locus_of_control

And here is a diagram with some examples about external locus of control:

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Quote from: serjent05 on May 26, 2023, 06:05:50 PM

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The gambler should be man enough to accept his losses. He must take responsibility in whatever the result of his action so it is really very unethical and morally wrong to blame others when the problem is created by the gambler himself.

Yes, that's in my view the correct mindset. Anything that happens to your life is your responsibility.

That might sound harsh to some, but in reality it's quite liberating because you don't depend on anyone else, you can change your life right now, without asking anyone. You just need to change your actions, and that's it.

This is called and internal locus of control, basically those that believe their actions are the main drive behind their outcomes are said to be like this, as you may imagine those which believe their luck or environmental factors are the most important when determining the outcomes of their actions have an external locus of control, and the research about this indicates that those with an internal locus of control become more successful as they are not willing to blame others for their own mistakes.

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Quote from: serjent05 on May 26, 2023, 06:05:50 PM

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The gambler should be man enough to accept his losses. He must take responsibility in whatever the result of his action so it is really very unethical and morally wrong to blame others when the problem is created by the gambler himself.

Yes, that's in my view the correct mindset. Anything that happens to your life is your responsibility.

That might sound harsh to some, but in reality it's quite liberating because you don't depend on anyone else, you can change your life right now, without asking anyone. You just need to change your actions, and that's it.

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Quote from: wiss19 on May 24, 2023, 11:06:10 AM

Quote from: Zackgeno96 on May 21, 2023, 12:58:09 PM

Usually as a gambler you are angry with a certain player or team, at least if you lost the bet because they did not score well. Actually, you can only blame 1 person and that is yourself, since you are gambling yourself. But at that moment you can't think straight and you only think about winning. It goes wrong because gamblers see their gambling as work, not gambling. But some gamblers also become aggressive in their behavior if they have lost a large sum of money but have angry outbursts as a result.

Gambling is not a team game like cricket or football where 11 players are playing and you get angry because one of them didn't play well and you lost the match because of him, but it's like a one-way street, it's only you and a single path in front of you, and it's totally up to you if you want to follow that path and go ahead or simply avoid it.

True gambling is only between the gambler and the gambling platform. Any activity done by the gambler is according to his own accord and decision. No one is pushing him to gamble so there is no reason to blame other in case the gambler suffered huge losses.

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And if you decide to go ahead from that path, and when you face problems and consequences along the way, there is no one else to be blamed since you were standing alone at the beginning of that street and it was you who chose this path.

The gambler should be man enough to accept his losses. He must take responsibility in whatever the result of his action so it is really very unethical and morally wrong to blame others when the problem is created by the gambler himself.

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Looks like there's was a compromise in that judgement and judicial partiality played out here ,someone gambled away 5.6 million and where asked to pay 150,000 only ,too small when compared with the amount of money being gambled away despite being given 7 years of imprisonment. They're hold with two count charge here, criminal offense and false allegation. The state of this guys greediness was in the high place. Both persons might be two gamble addicts and should
have allowed to undergo some psychological evaluation to know their mental status.

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Quote from: masulum on May 10, 2023, 07:41:03 AM

Quote from: maydna on May 10, 2023, 06:34:15 AM

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But if they only blame other people for making them lose money from gambling, it's not purely the fault of their friends because that person could have avoided it by saying no to gambling and choosing to go home. But we have no power to refuse it, and we will even follow our friends to play gambling. And if they lose, they try to get their money, but the harder they try, the more money they will lose on the gambling table.

Exactly, there is no one to blame even the bookies. In gambling, we put our hope for luck, not something that is certain to get. If someone loses and blames other people, maybe he needs to change his mind in gambling. Because gambling is not someone else's will, but his own will. When he made a deposit, it was his decision. Even if there are people who ask him to gamble, the decision is made from his decision and not from the one who invited him. When we lose and lose everything, that needs to be a reason to stop if we can. But if not, make it time to rest and change our gambling style. Maybe we are doing wrong while betting.

Here you always have to expect something, that always when we play the total responsibility rests with the player plus nobody, what's more, the casino does not force people to play, it does not force anyone to make high bets and no friend rolls for the friend to do it lose, if you take Advice from a friend, the one who is responsible for your actions is the person, it is not the friend, the friend gives his point of view, neither the casino nor the friend are to blame for what a player loses, because? because it is a responsibility, there is no other, if it is lost it will Always be the responsibility of the Person but not of third Parties.

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Quote from: wiss19 on May 24, 2023, 11:06:10 AM

Quote from: Zackgeno96 on May 21, 2023, 12:58:09 PM

Usually as a gambler you are angry with a certain player or team, at least if you lost the bet because they did not score well. Actually, you can only blame 1 person and that is yourself, since you are gambling yourself. But at that moment you can't think straight and you only think about winning. It goes wrong because gamblers see their gambling as work, not gambling. But some gamblers also become aggressive in their behavior if they have lost a large sum of money but have angry outbursts as a result.

Gambling is not a team game like cricket or football where 11 players are playing and you get angry because one of them didn't play well and you lost the match because of him, but it's like a one-way street, it's only you and a single path in front of you, and it's totally up to you if you want to follow that path and go ahead or simply avoid it.

And if you decide to go ahead from that path, and when you face problems and consequences along the way, there is no one else to be blamed since you were standing alone at the beginning of that street and it was you who chose this path.

Good description no one push you when you start your way when you involve yourself into this industry, gambling is a choice that you take either you look at it as entertainment or money making venue, it's you who take the path whatever the outcome it's you that should be blame and no one else.

What happens here is after they suffer from that loss, they wanted to deny their involvement and they tried to point the problem to someone as they can't admit the mistake that they've done.

They are not willing to face the consequences, so they've tried to lure someone to escape, but it did not work

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Quote from: Zackgeno96 on May 21, 2023, 12:58:09 PM

Usually as a gambler you are angry with a certain player or team, at least if you lost the bet because they did not score well. Actually, you can only blame 1 person and that is yourself, since you are gambling yourself. But at that moment you can't think straight and you only think about winning. It goes wrong because gamblers see their gambling as work, not gambling. But some gamblers also become aggressive in their behavior if they have lost a large sum of money but have angry outbursts as a result.

Gambling is not a team game like cricket or football where 11 players are playing and you get angry because one of them didn't play well and you lost the match because of him, but it's like a one-way street, it's only you and a single path in front of you, and it's totally up to you if you want to follow that path and go ahead or simply avoid it.

And if you decide to go ahead from that path, and when you face problems and consequences along the way, there is no one else to be blamed since you were standing alone at the beginning of that street and it was you who chose this path.

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Quote from: Zackgeno96 on May 21, 2023, 12:58:09 PM

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Of course, losing makes us irritable and upset, but why look for someone to blame if you initially understand the risks and take them on yourself?

As far as I know guilt has a very negative effect on a person's self-esteem and can lead to even more serious consequences later on, so it is quite possible that a person always tries to find someone to blame on the side even when he understands that he himself is at fault.

Very nice thought regarding the issue. A person should gamble after well researched and realizing its risk. A gambler can win or defeat. So if someone lose in gambling, there is no basis for others to blame. A gambler must focus on his self -esteem, it is not a solution that is excited after the gambling defeat, rather it makes the gamble more heated. This type of behavior of a gambler can have a serious impact on the gambling.

I'm sure some gamblers who blame other people for their losses are caused by gamblers who bet using other people's predictions or follow other gamblers' betting methods.
This usually happens to those who don't have knowledge and experience in making predictions or strategies so they can only follow what other gamblers are doing.
Even though blaming others for defeat is not an ethical thing but it seems there are some who still do this kind of thing.
In fact, they know the risks in gambling, it's just that their minds are controlled by anger and emotion when they lose a bet using the predictions they follow.
I am surprised that some gamblers are like this because this can make gamblers unable to develop and think well.

This has a point.

It's possible that those gamblers who are pointing fingers to other people because they lost a game is due to the fact that they didn't have a solid knowledge about the game and asked for opinions or suggestions, then proceeded to take those without actually verifying it. Or perhaps, they did counterchecked and proceeded to bet on the prediction of other people anyways, however, they are bothered by their regrets and what could have been's if they just decided based on their own gut feeling or knowledge.

Regardless, I find these kind of people to be low because at the end of the day, the decision and act of execution is still on your very own hands. The moment you decide to do something, it is already your responsibility. Hence, you should take the accountability if something bad happened or something opposite occurred instead of the predicted outcome.

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Quote from: Zackgeno96 on May 21, 2023, 12:58:09 PM

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Of course, losing makes us irritable and upset, but why look for someone to blame if you initially understand the risks and take them on yourself?

As far as I know guilt has a very negative effect on a person's self-esteem and can lead to even more serious consequences later on, so it is quite possible that a person always tries to find someone to blame on the side even when he understands that he himself is at fault.

Very nice thought regarding the issue. A person should gamble after well researched and realizing its risk. A gambler can win or defeat. So if someone lose in gambling, there is no basis for others to blame. A gambler must focus on his self -esteem, it is not a solution that is excited after the gambling defeat, rather it makes the gamble more heated. This type of behavior of a gambler can have a serious impact on the gambling.

I'm sure some gamblers who blame other people for their losses are caused by gamblers who bet using other people's predictions or follow other gamblers' betting methods.
This usually happens to those who don't have knowledge and experience in making predictions or strategies so they can only follow what other gamblers are doing.
Even though blaming others for defeat is not an ethical thing but it seems there are some who still do this kind of thing.
In fact, they know the risks in gambling, it's just that their minds are controlled by anger and emotion when they lose a bet using the predictions they follow.
I am surprised that some gamblers are like this because this can make gamblers unable to develop and think well.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on May 23, 2023, 07:33:49 AM

If a gambler can't control his emotions like this and won't accept losses and will blame them on others, then for sure that will have a huge impact on all of his plays because it tends to trigger him to play more because he thinks that because of that person, that's why he lose, so he will continue to play, which leads to more losses. The gambler should always not blame anyone, as in the first place he is the one placing the bet and it is his own money, so he has control over it.

This is true not only for gambling, take the time to listen to people when they are talking about their problems and one thing you will notice is that they always use a passive voice when they encounter difficulties, it is as if they had no control over their life and the problems simply appeared out of nowhere, this is a psychological tactic people employ to not feel responsible for their actions, but regardless of their attempts to avoid their responsibilities everyone that is listening to them knows what is up and they know they are the responsible party for the problems they are facing.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on May 23, 2023, 07:33:49 AM

If a gambler can't control his emotions like this and won't accept losses and will blame them on others, then for sure that will have a huge impact on all of his plays because it tends to trigger him to play more because he thinks that because of that person, that's why he lose, so he will continue to play, which leads to more losses. The gambler should always not blame anyone, as in the first place he is the one placing the bet and it is his own money, so he has control over it.

There's always someone who have a very random character where you think it's impossible someone can think and act like that. We think it's always our responsible when we're use our money, but I believe there's someone who blame other people for his gambling losses, that's really a stupid person who don't have a brain.

We as a gambler can avoid to associate with such kind person, but the company need to fight those ridiculous person.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on May 23, 2023, 07:33:49 AM

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Quote from: madnessteat on May 21, 2023, 01:17:26 PM

Quote from: Zackgeno96 on May 21, 2023, 12:58:09 PM

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Of course, losing makes us irritable and upset, but why look for someone to blame if you initially understand the risks and take them on yourself?

As far as I know guilt has a very negative effect on a person's self-esteem and can lead to even more serious consequences later on, so it is quite possible that a person always tries to find someone to blame on the side even when he understands that he himself is at fault.

Very nice thought regarding the issue. A person should gamble after well researched and realizing its risk. A gambler can win or defeat. So if someone lose in gambling, there is no basis for others to blame. A gambler must focus on his self -esteem, it is not a solution that is excited after the gambling defeat, rather it makes the gamble more heated. This type of behavior of a gambler can have a serious impact on the gambling.

If a gambler can't control his emotions like this and won't accept losses and will blame them on others, then for sure that will have a huge impact on all of his plays because it tends to trigger him to play more because he thinks that because of that person, that's why he lose, so he will continue to play, which leads to more losses. The gambler should always not blame anyone, as in the first place he is the one placing the bet and it is his own money, so he has control over it.

This has a point.

If a gambler don't have a sense of responsibility towards his actions, then he must not gamble in the first place. It is a player's responsibility and task to ensure that he sets a healthy boundary for himself to avoid getting addicted in gambling. The same way, it is a player's task to double check the probability of his bets to analyze whether it will be a win on his end or an incoming loss to avoid unnecessary waste bets that could have been prevented. If a gambler do not do this and instead rashly act out on impulse to do what he wants or what he thinks best without assessing the situation, then later on blame his fault to other people, it just shows it's high time to reflect on his behavior. There's something wrong if you won't be able to control your emotions at the same time your actions.

If you will not take accountability over the losses that's really on you, you will not learn and eventually will get lost in the process of losing all over again because you are in denial.

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Quote from: madnessteat on May 21, 2023, 01:17:26 PM

Quote from: Zackgeno96 on May 21, 2023, 12:58:09 PM

^

Of course, losing makes us irritable and upset, but why look for someone to blame if you initially understand the risks and take them on yourself?

As far as I know guilt has a very negative effect on a person's self-esteem and can lead to even more serious consequences later on, so it is quite possible that a person always tries to find someone to blame on the side even when he understands that he himself is at fault.

Very nice thought regarding the issue. A person should gamble after well researched and realizing its risk. A gambler can win or defeat. So if someone lose in gambling, there is no basis for others to blame. A gambler must focus on his self -esteem, it is not a solution that is excited after the gambling defeat, rather it makes the gamble more heated. This type of behavior of a gambler can have a serious impact on the gambling.

If a gambler can't control his emotions like this and won't accept losses and will blame them on others, then for sure that will have a huge impact on all of his plays because it tends to trigger him to play more because he thinks that because of that person, that's why he lose, so he will continue to play, which leads to more losses. The gambler should always not blame anyone, as in the first place he is the one placing the bet and it is his own money, so he has control over it.

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Quote from: nullama on May 22, 2023, 06:11:19 PM

Quote from: Negotiation on May 22, 2023, 09:50:38 AM

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Rightly said in gambling there will be wins and losses, here only blame is to be given to yourself. You have to learn to control yourself. Gambling is an addiction in which you will always be in a daze. Then when you get profit, you will say that the last time you play, when you lose everything while playing, then that last time will make you destitute and you will be cheated.

Yeah, it's a harsh reality, but it's the best way to move forward in life, by taking responsibility of your actions.

Also, it doesn't matter how bad things get, you can always create a good life afterwards, so no need to feel so bad anyway.

It would be a lesson learned, that's the whole point of having memory, to not repeat the same mistakes again in the present.

"You can always create a good life afterward" That's beautiful. Because most of gamblers they make gambling their life. You can only do change your life when you have full control of yourself and being accountable for your actions. It's not about who you are right now, it's a matter of what kind of person you want to be come and work for it.

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Quote from: Zackgeno96 on May 21, 2023, 12:58:09 PM

^

Of course, losing makes us irritable and upset, but why look for someone to blame if you initially understand the risks and take them on yourself?

As far as I know guilt has a very negative effect on a person's self-esteem and can lead to even more serious consequences later on, so it is quite possible that a person always tries to find someone to blame on the side even when he understands that he himself is at fault.

Very nice thought regarding the issue. A person should gamble after well researched and realizing its risk. A gambler can win or defeat. So if someone lose in gambling, there is no basis for others to blame. A gambler must focus on his self -esteem, it is not a solution that is excited after the gambling defeat, rather it makes the gamble more heated. This type of behavior of a gambler can have a serious impact on the gambling.

Taking a loss or a win is a normal part of the game and it is something you cannot control. Let the outcome be in probabilities. The only thing that you can control is yourself. How can you regulate your gambling? When will you stop when you are already profitable? When will you stop when you already lost sum of money? When will you take breaks? After all we all gamble and aim to make money for time and freedom is it?

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