Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?

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Quote from: iTradeChips on March 30, 2021, 05:27:25 PM

In my opinion, we need to consider any update that is happening within a team that we choose to bet, before doing any betting for them. Like internal strife between management and players, also condition of the players.

It should be. Analyzing the game won't give us an assurance to win but at least we are not betting randomly because of instincts.

There are times people just do random bets from following tipsters and in the event, they will lose, they will feel regret not following their own decision.

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In my opinion, we need to consider any update that is happening within a team that we choose to bet, before doing any betting for them. Like internal strife between management and players, also condition of the players. We also need to take into consideration when there is good or bad cohesion between players. Only then we would be able to assess if it is really worthy for them to be given our attention and our money. Be very careful when choosing a team or when you are loyal to a certain team.

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If the team can't work together and doesn't have any synergy or cohesion then they are likely to lose so yes, team cohesion is a good thing to consider when you are betting in sports, if you know that that team doesn't work that good together then you can bet against them and have the higher chance that you are going to win the bet.

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Quote from: Fredomago on March 03, 2021, 02:16:29 PM

yeah right full of stars without chemistry together is nothing, you can get the best with your team mates if you know them personally. Adjustment will be done once you get along and know more deeper.

There were many real life situations that backed this statement, especially in esports. There were teams made of champions that were simply doing bad and were disbanded after 1 tournament.

Many people never consider those aspects because they think that since the players are making so much money they must find a way to get everyone on the same page and get that chemistry going on but it is not like that, despite the big salaries playing a sport is like any other job, you are going to like working with some people and you are not going to like working with another set of people and when those differences get too big someone has to go, and if that does not happen the atmosphere in the locker room will drop to the point many players do not want to remain in the team anymore.

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Quote from: famososMuertos on March 03, 2021, 01:47:21 PM

It is not necessary to answer OP with analysis of professional teams, if someone ever played a team sport they know that cohesion depends on the best player, it is simple, maybe some games can be won as a result of that "chemistry" or cohesion that It is achieved with a season but when the difficult games come, that "individual" makes the difference.
Of course, if the best player on the team is injured, it influences my bet.

You are absolutely right, when the best player is injured, it influences the team, it is the star who gives more confidence in general, sometimes the psychic state influences a lot, cohesion or confidence in the team can be collapsed.

The psychological status of each player enters the scene, this is where the team must trust each player's talent and especially in his coach strategy.

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Quote from: Fredomago on March 03, 2021, 02:16:29 PM

Quote from: Silberman on March 02, 2021, 07:35:29 PM

We have seen many teams full of stars that implode just because the team members do not get along, this is incredibly common which is why many star players take the time not only to work with their teammates on the field but they also take the time to know them out of the field and try to get the best possible relationship with each one of their teammates, this may seem to be odd but it is critical if you want to get the best performance out of your teammates.

yeah right full of stars without chemistry together is nothing, you can get the best with your team mates if you know them personally. Adjustment will be done once you get along and know more deeper.

Most of those stars do work outside the team, they try to catch up and know each other more personally, if they have that jive then they can trust each other, knowing that there's someone behind who are willing to work with you and play with the rhytm that you are trying to work is the best thing to come with the whole squad.

Not only that, it is easier to accept criticism from someone that is your friend than from someone that is a stranger or someone that you do not like, after all if the other guy is your friend and tells you did something wrong you will have a tendency to believe it and work on it so it does not happen again and you are not afraid to criticize them either as you know they will listen, but if you do not get along you risk offending the other player and not only that he may not believe you decreasing the chemistry of the team even further.

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Quote from: Fredomago on March 03, 2021, 02:16:29 PM

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After all, football is a team sport, so the team working hard together is not less important than a few very strong players scoring some goals, right?

high skill level of few memebers are useless if few of this memebers have a hidden hate to his fellow memebers and they can throw the game or make the game loose because they wont pay properly but if the team consist of weak memebers but love each other they can get super strong when they move as a whole .
what we saw on this t.v segment does occur in real live games because t.v shows get a reference in real life events .

We have seen many teams full of stars that implode just because the team members do not get along, this is incredibly common which is why many star players take the time not only to work with their teammates on the field but they also take the time to know them out of the field and try to get the best possible relationship with each one of their teammates, this may seem to be odd but it is critical if you want to get the best performance out of your teammates.

yeah right full of stars without chemistry together is nothing, you can get the best with your team mates if you know them personally. Adjustment will be done once you get along and know more deeper.

Most of those stars do work outside the team, they try to catch up and know each other more personally, if they have that jive then they can trust each other, knowing that there's someone behind who are willing to work with you and play with the rhytm that you are trying to work is the best thing to come with the whole squad.

Wont really be a short span of time when it comes on molding up synchronization towards your other team mate and this do involve lots of time of training before achieving such state.

A team composed of several superstars doesn't guarantee a winning because as said, everything should really be executed in a good manner or in rhythm.

Team based type of games should be played by team and not going on solo or trying to carry the game all by himself which is a common problem actually.

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I do it very often. Last minute changes in the roster are probably one of the most important factors when it comes to betting on team sports like football. If a team loses an important player because of health issues it's less likely to play well, everybody knows that.

Quote from: Fredomago on March 03, 2021, 02:16:29 PM

yeah right full of stars without chemistry together is nothing, you can get the best with your team mates if you know them personally. Adjustment will be done once you get along and know more deeper.

There were many real life situations that backed this statement, especially in esports. There were teams made of champions that were simply doing bad and were disbanded after 1 tournament.

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Quote from: Silberman on March 02, 2021, 07:35:29 PM

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After all, football is a team sport, so the team working hard together is not less important than a few very strong players scoring some goals, right?

high skill level of few memebers are useless if few of this memebers have a hidden hate to his fellow memebers and they can throw the game or make the game loose because they wont pay properly but if the team consist of weak memebers but love each other they can get super strong when they move as a whole .
what we saw on this t.v segment does occur in real live games because t.v shows get a reference in real life events .

We have seen many teams full of stars that implode just because the team members do not get along, this is incredibly common which is why many star players take the time not only to work with their teammates on the field but they also take the time to know them out of the field and try to get the best possible relationship with each one of their teammates, this may seem to be odd but it is critical if you want to get the best performance out of your teammates.

yeah right full of stars without chemistry together is nothing, you can get the best with your team mates if you know them personally. Adjustment will be done once you get along and know more deeper.

Most of those stars do work outside the team, they try to catch up and know each other more personally, if they have that jive then they can trust each other, knowing that there's someone behind who are willing to work with you and play with the rhytm that you are trying to work is the best thing to come with the whole squad.

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It is not necessary to answer OP with analysis of professional teams, if someone ever played a team sport they know that cohesion depends on the best player, it is simple, maybe some games can be won as a result of that "chemistry" or cohesion that It is achieved with a season but when the difficult games come, that "individual" makes the difference.
Of course, if the best player on the team is injured, it influences my bet.

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Quote from: imstillthebest on February 27, 2021, 05:10:00 AM

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After all, football is a team sport, so the team working hard together is not less important than a few very strong players scoring some goals, right?

high skill level of few memebers are useless if few of this memebers have a hidden hate to his fellow memebers and they can throw the game or make the game loose because they wont pay properly but if the team consist of weak memebers but love each other they can get super strong when they move as a whole .
what we saw on this t.v segment does occur in real live games because t.v shows get a reference in real life events .

We have seen many teams full of stars that implode just because the team members do not get along, this is incredibly common which is why many star players take the time not only to work with their teammates on the field but they also take the time to know them out of the field and try to get the best possible relationship with each one of their teammates, this may seem to be odd but it is critical if you want to get the best performance out of your teammates.

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Quote from: Jemzx00 on March 01, 2021, 12:42:25 PM

Quote from: paxmao on February 27, 2021, 12:45:13 PM

It has a lot to do with knowing that the team is balanced rather than cohesive, since you do not want a member that is Bantha forrage. Also, they should be able to grow professionally by learning from their peers.

I think the sometimes a team cohesiveness can balance out the of what is missing from the team. So it doesn't necessary requires that the team is balance for them to be better and even if they aren't balance in terms of aggressiveness and defensiveness, they can still make up or focus on what they missing or their strength.
By the way, I don't know the term "Bantha Forrage" and I have to look it up on google to know what it meant. Anyway, if I am correct to assume what it means then I completely agree with you not needing and wanting someone like that from the team. Imagine having a teammate that has a mindset of YOLO or yelling "leeeeerrroooooyyyyy jeeeeeennnkkkkkkiiiiiinnnnsss" in any match will surely ruin the teamwork, efforts and strategies.

They need to cooperate with the other player to give the best performance to the audience, and the important thing is they can win and beat the opponent.
If they can do that, that will benefit us because we can select them for our bet, and we will have a chance to win.
The team cohesiveness can give the team more power to do better, and their opponent will see that they can change their play in the rest of the match.
I think the coach will know who the player can give cohesiveness to the other, so all of the players can play with their best skills as a team and not individual.

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I think it’s a balance between a good coach and the players wherein the coach can handle. And I think one factor would be the team’s cohesion too when I choose which team I bet. It has a lot to do with the coach for me and the rest of the team will just follow.

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Quote from: Jemzx00 on March 01, 2021, 12:42:25 PM

Quote from: paxmao on February 27, 2021, 12:45:13 PM

It has a lot to do with knowing that the team is balanced rather than cohesive, since you do not want a member that is Bantha forrage. Also, they should be able to grow professionally by learning from their peers.

I think the sometimes a team cohesiveness can balance out the of what is missing from the team. So it doesn't necessary requires that the team is balance for them to be better and even if they aren't balance in terms of aggressiveness and defensiveness, they can still make up or focus on what they missing or their strength.
By the way, I don't know the term "Bantha Forrage" and I have to look it up on google to know what it meant. Anyway, if I am correct to assume what it means then I completely agree with you not needing and wanting someone like that from the team. Imagine having a teammate that has a mindset of YOLO or yelling "leeeeerrroooooyyyyy jeeeeeennnkkkkkkiiiiiinnnnsss" in any match will surely ruin the teamwork, efforts and strategies.

Can really patch up or could possibly close the gap but we cant really deny that sooner or later you would really able to tell or see the difference when it comes to experience/capacity,capability

no matter what a certain team achieved that kind of teamwork or sync will guaranteed out win but somehow there's always a glimpse of hope when everyone is really doing up their part.

Sports that do mainly focus on team work would really be having this thing for you to consider but some bettors doesnt really look at into this factor and just focusing when
it comes to statistics comparison.

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Quote from: paxmao on February 27, 2021, 12:45:13 PM

It has a lot to do with knowing that the team is balanced rather than cohesive, since you do not want a member that is Bantha forrage. Also, they should be able to grow professionally by learning from their peers.

I think the sometimes a team cohesiveness can balance out the of what is missing from the team. So it doesn't necessary requires that the team is balance for them to be better and even if they aren't balance in terms of aggressiveness and defensiveness, they can still make up or focus on what they missing or their strength.
By the way, I don't know the term "Bantha Forrage" and I have to look it up on google to know what it meant. Anyway, if I am correct to assume what it means then I completely agree with you not needing and wanting someone like that from the team. Imagine having a teammate that has a mindset of YOLO or yelling "leeeeerrroooooyyyyy jeeeeeennnkkkkkkiiiiiinnnnsss" in any match will surely ruin the teamwork, efforts and strategies.

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It has a lot to do with knowing that the team is balanced rather than cohesive, since you do not want a member that is Bantha forrage. Also, they should be able to grow professionally by learning from their peers.

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Quote from: shoreno on February 22, 2021, 06:04:55 AM

but why is the coach on that tv show coaches a football if he dont know anything about the game ? is that part of thier show ? but for sure players will know and players will correct him if its possible within that show .

He's hired because the owner of the club actually wants the club to play terribly during the EPL season for her own reasons, but he sees his job as working on relationships of team members and on their well-being. But he's not the only coach in the show. There's also another guy who's assisting him, but actually knows about football. And the show isn't that dumb: even though the coach succeeds in improving the team's cohesion, and they have some nice wins, they eventually get kicked out of the EPL for poor overall performance this season.

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Quote from: Lorence.xD on February 22, 2021, 04:44:11 AM

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I think it does because they would play better if they have some kind of connection.
Just like if they have been playing together for so long they could easily pick up what their other team mates would do.

It's called a team sport after all, if they do not have that basic connection with each other, I think that they will lose very often than anyone would expect. I don't think that you need to consider that when you are betting, the performance of the team shows their cohesion and cooperation with the others. What you need to look out for is the best players on that team and check their individual performance because they can carry the game.

Team sports are called as such for a reason because players have to work together and there are lots of matches where better teams lose because they never had the same teamwork and cohesion amongst them. I remember how strong a team Griffin was in League of Legends, a e-sport in case for people who don't know. But they broke and lost everything because there was ongoing problems between the coach cvMax and a few players.

It is indeed very important to analyze the team composition as well as the cohesion and how certain skills match with others. I am a big e-sports fan and I have seen some great teams in CSGO being down and out because their team composition never worked despite having individual talents and genius coaches.

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Quote from: imstillthebest on February 27, 2021, 05:10:00 AM

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After all, football is a team sport, so the team working hard together is not less important than a few very strong players scoring some goals, right?

high skill level of few memebers are useless if few of this memebers have a hidden hate to his fellow memebers and they can throw the game or make the game loose because they wont pay properly but if the team consist of weak memebers but love each other they can get super strong when they move as a whole .
what we saw on this t.v segment does occur in real live games because t.v shows get a reference in real life events .

I still believe that professionalism will remain on them so they will still do their best to win the game.

This Players are tend to have pride , they will not let losing comes when they have some argumentation or bad feeling against their team members.

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Quote from: Silberman on February 23, 2021, 12:56:00 AM

Quote from: robelneo on February 19, 2021, 06:26:52 AM

This not only applies to Football but to all sports that require a team effort, but it's hard to pull up a win if the team does not have strong players within them, each player has a role to play to make the play works, and come out with a win, I'm betting on basketball and I have not seen a champion team without a strong player, great team efforts can deliver a good play but they need good players to implement that play.

While without a doubt it is harder to pull off a win if you do not have a couple of stars in the team it is not impossible, it is known that it is easier to play defensively than it is offensively, so a team with good cohesion that is in a a very good physical shape and that can rotate their players can still stand up to a better team, this is especially true in team games where the number of players on the field is higher, for example this is difficult to do in basketball as a single player represents 20% of the team but it is easier on soccer in which a player represents only 9.09% of the team.

With having a lower percentage than the other sports, each player will not feel difficult to play with their team because they can share it with the other player. But every sport will not be the same as the individual skills will also be different, but they can fill the lack of other players, which can help the team increase the percentage in total. Even if the team doesn't have a strong player when they can unite and play better than the opponent, their percentage will increase, which can help them beat the opponent.

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